SCT Announces Commencement of Dedicated Melbourne to Brisbane Freight Services

 
  Trainplanner Chief Commissioner

Location: Along the Line
Yes and it means that SCT can also handle both northbound and south and westbound movements out of the same depot.   If this brings the road feeder cost component down as well then the whole supply chain cost becomes even more competitive as well suring up rail's position.   As well with the initial Melbourne - Barnawatha Shuttle now replaced by a shunt on and off the Brisbane train, that cost has also been reduced so I see it as a win-win.

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  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
Until now, a lot of SPC and other Goulburn Valley products have been trucked to Melbourne for loading onto the Perth bound train.
Do you mean Brisbane here?  Because Melbourne seems to be a natural loading point for Perth freight from the GV instead of Barnawartha (though i wonder if/when it is SG if SCT would look to load in the Goulburn Valley).
Why would Melbourne be the natural loading point?  It is two hours from Shep. to Barnawartha.  Half an hour unloading and the truck is back in Shep. for tucker break.  Two trips a day is far more productive than the three hour trip to Laverton (if the ring road is behaving) plus, often an hour or so in the queue to unload at SCT.  It all means only one round trip on a driver's shift.
DalyWaters

Fair point, i was thinking though by going to Barnawartha you are adding a good few hundred km of travel, plus, a few more hours of travel time.  Both of these would add cost to the journey for that freight.  But if it is offset by the reduction in cost by removing the longer trucking time to Laverton, then it may well be more efficient.
  DalyWaters Chief Commissioner


Fair point, i was thinking though by going to Barnawartha you are adding a good few hundred km of travel, plus, a few more hours of travel time.  Both of these would add cost to the journey for that freight.  But if it is offset by the reduction in cost by removing the longer trucking time to Laverton, then it may well be more efficient.
james.au
The structure of SCT's network is falling in to place rather nicely.  You need to draw a circle around each depot to see the catchment.  Depots like Dooen and Barnawartha help to fill in the gaps.  The efficiency of rail is a big winner once you get the product on to the rail wagon.  It is efficient to take it the shortest distance by truck, even if that is sometimes backwards, as the cost of trucking is much higher per kilometre.

A while ago, SCT carted refrig. containers of sultanas from Robinvale to the docks for export.  In that case, the trucks drove to Dooen for the transhipment.  Whilst the distance from Robinvale to Melbourne was not enough to make it viable for rail considering the small number of containers, the standing time of the trucks at the docks had a high cost which rail overcame by the drop and go of the direct rail service into Swanston Dock.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
What loading would be available for a train from Melbourne to Parkes ?
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
What loading would be available for a train from Melbourne to Parkes ?
freightgate

Stuff going to Brisbane Razz
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
There is no SCT rail service between Melbourne and Parkes unless it goes via Adelaide.  There is occasions where trucks will deliver loading from Parkes to Melbourne and vice versa where circumstances require.  Barnawartha loading goes to Melbourne for adding to the Perth train.  It can now also go direct to Brisbane.  There is no Sydney rail depot and no plan for one, so far as I am aware.
DalyWaters
Is all loading to Parkes for shipment to Perth brought in by Road?

I know SCT don't have a Sydney rail hub but is there no facility to shunt loading off the Melb / Bris service and rail it to Parkes if the demand was there?

BG
  Trainplanner Chief Commissioner

Location: Along the Line
Yes.  All loading ex Parkes is brought in by road
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
What loading would be available for a train from Melbourne to Parkes ?

Stuff going to Brisbane Razz
bingley hall

That goes via Syd on a train all the way to Bris at the moment no??  Railing to Parkes and then trucking from there doesnt make sense does it?
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
What loading would be available for a train from Melbourne to Parkes ?

Stuff going to Brisbane Razz

That goes via Syd on a train all the way to Bris at the moment no??  Railing to Parkes and then trucking from there doesnt make sense does it?
james.au
Whooosh right over the keeper's head Sad
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
@bingleyhall ??
  packa Junior Train Controller

So if I have got this right, NSW rail freight to/from QLD or Vic runs to Adelaide then into Parkes?
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
So if I have got this right, NSW rail freight to/from QLD or Vic runs to Adelaide then into Parkes?
packa
The only way out for rail freight to/from Qld now is via Sydney, I think its been a long time the back door route to Parkes was used. Sandy Hollow or what ever its called.

From Sydney to Mel is via South Main

From Sydney to Adelaide or Perth is via
- Mel (only if needed to go to Mel for freight)
- Forbes (most common)
- Lithgow (less common these days)
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Will SCT build in Sydney ?

Why do they use Parkes ?
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
Will SCT build in Sydney ?

Why do they use Parkes ?
freightgate
Already discussed in this or another thread.

They use Parkes because it makes money for them.

Simples!

This thread is like a hamster running inside its wheel.
  sar602 Chief Train Controller

Location: Nomadic truckie
Noticed a lot of new SCT wagons been unloaded from a ship down Port Adelaide yesterday would of been 25 or more, are these been made in China?
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
This thread is like a hamster running inside its wheel.
bingley hall
Maybe because we don't all have your insight Bing. And because people post incorrect / misleading information which then confuses the Meerkat out of us!

Looking at a 2014 NSW rail map it looks like there are 2 different ARTC routes that could be taken by this service, From Cootamundra north via Parkes, Narromine, Dubbo, Merrygoen to the Gap or via the Main South (I presume that is) through Sydney and then up to Werris Creek.

Does the new SCT service (and indeed the Aurizon service) run via the Parkes Route or the Sydney Route?

I (possibly incorrectly) assumed that it ran via Parkes which would facilitate the movement of GV produce from Barnawatha to Perth / Adelaide via the Broken Hill / Trans Australia route. Following comments then muddied the waters a little leading to the quicksand in which I find myself now.

BG
  EFB5800 Chief Train Controller

Location: On my office roof.
Not sure if anyone's mentioned it yet, the lonesome container wagon on the first down was a fuel tender. The 40' box is probably just a ballast weight.
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
This thread is like a hamster running inside its wheel.
Maybe because we don't all have your insight Bing. And because people post incorrect / misleading information which then confuses the Meerkat out of us!

Looking at a 2014 NSW rail map it looks like there are 2 different ARTC routes that could be taken by this service, From Cootamundra north via Parkes, Narromine, Dubbo, Merrygoen to the Gap or via the Main South (I presume that is) through Sydney and then up to Werris Creek.

Does the new SCT service (and indeed the Aurizon service) run via the Parkes Route or the Sydney Route?

I (possibly incorrectly) assumed that it ran via Parkes which would facilitate the movement of GV produce from Barnawatha to Perth / Adelaide via the Broken Hill / Trans Australia route. Following comments then muddied the waters a little leading to the quicksand in which I find myself now.

BG
BrentonGolding

New service is Melbourne-Albury-(Goulburn) - Sydney-Brisbane.

It would be good if we could consign any further mention of Parkes in this thread to the'Armchair Operators' forum Razz
But, previously Brisbane-Adelaide/Perth traffic would be roaded to Parkes then proceed via rail to Perth via Broekn Hill. SCT now have the option of running it by rail all the way via Melbourne and Adelaide OR they can continue to road it via Parkes OR they can do both - whichever works out cheaper or more efficient.

SCT have a road depot in Sydney they have NO CURRENT plans to open up a rail terminal in Sydney.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction

New service is Melbourne-Albury-(Goulburn) - Sydney-Brisbane.

It would be good if we could consign any further mention of Parkes in this thread to the'Armchair Operators' forum Razz
But, previously Brisbane-Adelaide/Perth traffic would be roaded to Parkes then proceed via rail to Perth via Broekn Hill. SCT now have the option of running it by rail all the way via Melbourne and Adelaide OR they can continue to road it via Parkes OR they can do both - whichever works out cheaper or more efficient.

SCT have a road depot in Sydney they have NO CURRENT plans to open up a rail terminal in Sydney.
bingley hall
Thank you, that's great.

Apologies in advance for mentioning the P word again but one more silly Q, if there was enough loading going to Perth and Brisbane combined would it be possible for them to run via the Parkes route to Brisvegas, or am I reading the map incorrectly?

BG
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
Many here seem to forget that SCT is an intermodal company that runs a large fleet of trucks as well as trains.
Management of SCT have always maintained that they will use the best form of transport to suit their customers needs. (read that as the most efficient form - in both cost and versatility)

And as to their weekly return service from Goobang Junction to Perth (7GP1/3PG1) and weekly return Goobang Junction to Port Augusta/Adelaide (3GX1/2AG1), I can assure everyone that these 1800m trains certainly ain't hauling sail boat fuel!


Notice how I cunningly avoided the use of the word Park.....
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville

Thank you, that's great.

Apologies in advance for mentioning the P word again but one more silly Q, if there was enough loading going to Perth and Brisbane combined would it be possible for them to run via the Parkes route to Brisvegas, or am I reading the map incorrectly?

BG
BrentonGolding

From memory: Parkes-Narromine-Dubbo-Merrygoen-Gulgong-Ulan-Muswellbrook-Telarah (Maitland)-Brisbane

OR

Parkes-Stockinbingal-Cootamundra then as MB9

.....PacNat run a twice weekly AB6/BA6 service from Adelaide to Brisbane and back via Broken hill, Parkes and Cootamundra (I'm pretty sure that will get a few people going Razz )
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
The Parkes-Brisbane route is via the Hunter Valley - id say the coal traffic would have the controllers pretty busy and that paths through that area would be a little more challenging to get.
  petan Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting to see a zebra using a zebra crossing!
Initial northbound;  17 x ABSY = 402.9 m, 20 x PBGY = 470m so total 872.9 m plus the PQKY 18.3m results in 891.2 metre plus the crew car and locos. Both van types gross around 76 / 80 tonnes each so 37 by 50 tonnes= 1850 tonnes. 50 tonnes gross average plucked out of air assuming the vans might be full or nearly full by volume but maybe not loaded to max mass. If you don't like 50 tonnes, calculate with a different value to suit yourself.

Thanks to Jack Le Lievre on QRIG yahoogroup for the list and lengths from Train Operating Conditions (TOC) Manual – General Instructions 2015 issues 1     http://www.asa.transport.nsw.gov.au/sites/default/files/asa/asa-standards/archive/ts-toc-1%20(Archived%20v3.0).pdf
  c3526blue Deputy Commissioner

Location: in the cuckoos nest
Many here seem to forget that SCT is an intermodal company that runs a large fleet of trucks as well as trains.
Management of SCT have always maintained that they will use the best form of transport to suit their customers needs. (read that as the most efficient form - in both cost and versatility)

And as to their weekly return service from Goobang Junction to Perth (7GP1/3PG1) and weekly return Goobang Junction to Port Augusta/Adelaide (3GX1/2AG1), I can assure everyone that these 1800m trains certainly ain't hauling sail boat fuel!


Notice how I cunningly avoided the use of the word Park.....
Pressman
Thankyou,

I now understand what GP and PG mean.  Not to mention Park.....

Happy training,

John
  Trainplanner Chief Commissioner

Location: Along the Line
Good morning,  any news on how the first southbound service from Bromelton has gone in terms of timing and consist size.

TP

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