Malcolm Turncoat's imploding act

 
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
If anyone here knows of Miranda Divine, just listening to Radio 2GB now, and listening to her argue the point with Andrew Bolt as to why Turnbull will get re-elected next election, reason is "because he is the Prime Minister"
"lsrailfan"

The position of Prime Minister deserves respect. The person occupying the position has to earn respect, and Turnbull has failed to do so. He is digging himself deeper into his own political grave every day, due mainly to the fact that he has as much backbone as the average amoeba.

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  Showtime Chief Train Controller

God help us - please don't let Shorten become the PM.
It would be very difficult to retain a comfortable standard of living once his party of clowns started their crazy policies akin to the Greens.
Surely someone, anyone, in the Liberal party can see what is happening and conjure up a leader that will be our saviour.
They must have a least one member that has any talent and is not hated by the public, or am I dreaming?
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
Corey Bernadi has phoned the PM today, and informed him of his decision, he is expected to address the Senate at 12:30pm
Kind Regards
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Corey Bernadi has phoned the PM today, and informed him of his decision, he is expected to address the Senate at 12:30pm
lsrailfan
Set to become official when the Senate resumes this afternoon.
They must have a least one member that has any talent and is not hated by the public, or am I dreaming?
Showtime
Watching the news this morning, Malcolm was determined not to talk about Bernardi's defection instead using his cabinet meeting to talk about free-trade and energy prices. Energy prices - fair enough but they've had more than three years to do something about it. Free trade (as we've already discussed) is just a load of rubbish. Malcolm clearly intent on continuing the waffle that has been losing the interest of the public for a long time but also nobody in cabinet seemingly capable of standing up and telling him to change the record.

It's squarely the Liberal Party's own fault, isn't it?
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
Corey Bernadi has phoned the PM today, and informed him of his decision, he is expected to address the Senate at 12:30pm
Set to become official when the Senate resumes this afternoon.
They must have a least one member that has any talent and is not hated by the public, or am I dreaming?
Watching the news this morning, Malcolm was determined not to talk about Bernardi's defection instead using his cabinet meeting to talk about free-trade and energy prices. Energy prices - fair enough but they've had more than three years to do something about it. Free trade (as we've already discussed) is just a load of rubbish. Malcolm clearly intent on continuing the waffle that has been losing the interest of the public for a long time but also nobody in cabinet seemingly capable of standing up and telling him to change the record.

It's squarely the Liberal Party's own fault, isn't it?
don_dunstan
Oh it's for sure and certain MT'S fault, I have said this before and I maintain it, if Tones was there, this may not have happened, even though Corey was against Tones as well, but Tones would have pulled the party more together, in my view
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  kapow Junior Train Controller

What an amazing act of hubris by Bernardi, once reality sets in he's going to realise he's not as popular as he thinks he is. He was number 1 on the Liberal Senate ticket which is why he kept getting elected but as an independent it will be touch and go that he gets re-elected when his term expires in 6 years unless he can build his brand. He's a religious zealot and even with politics in a state of change his politics don't strike me as popular, he certainly isn't a part of the Trump brand which I keep reading in the media today as Bernardi is a 10 year veteran of the Senate and involved in the party machine before that, no really anti establishment which is the brand he looks to be attempting to sell.
  M636C Minister for Railways

If Tony Abbott was such a good Prime Minister why did he get sacked?

His style of reducing everything to a three word slogan worked for a while, but when he reintroduced knighthoods and gave one to Prince Philip (not short of titles) the "out of touch" aspect began to show.

The backbenchers realised that Tony would lose the next election and selected Malcolm, and Malcolm won, if only just.

People say he isn't a "strong leader". Tony was a "strong leader" but that didn't make him correct or popular. And the party sacked him. If Malcolm tried the same act, the party would sack him too.

The problem is that the world isn't simple. Malcolm is a lot smarter than Tony, but he has the same team to work with and a much more difficult senate. As much as any politician can, I think he is actually trying to do the right things, made more difficult by left and right wing battles within the party.

I can't imagine what Cory Bernadi is thinking. He obviously thinks he has been treated badly, getting no front bench position for example. But next time he runs for election, Xenephon will probably get his SA senate seat.

Bernadi just got back from a Taxpayer funded long holiday in the USA where he was able to watch Trump's campaign and he got a copy-cap made up. He probably thinks he will be swept to power by a groundswell of public opinion just by wearing the cap. I don't know if he has taken compulsory voting (here but not in the USA) into account. Australia hasn't suffered as much by the economic depression as the USA, either, thanks largely to mining.

The Liberal Party will be better off without Bernadi, unless he votes against the government just to upset them.

Turnbull realises that Trump could bring back coal but maybe not one unemployed miner in West Virginia will get his job back as a result. The same with other industries. If cars are all made in the USA, it will be robots on the production line, not unionised workers. The clock isn't turning back to the 1980s. So Malcolm is talking up new technology in the complete absence of anything else. Since coal mining is still going gangbusters, Turnbull can't promise to bring it back.

There are no soft options, no easy answers, despite what the right wing say. And there is one less right winger left in the party to say it.

Peter
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
If Tony Abbott was such a good Prime Minister why did he get sacked?

His style of reducing everything to a three word slogan worked for a while, but when he reintroduced knighthoods and gave one to Prince Philip (not short of titles) the "out of touch" aspect began to show.

The backbenchers realised that Tony would lose the next election and selected Malcolm, and Malcolm won, if only just.

People say he isn't a "strong leader". Tony was a "strong leader" but that didn't make him correct or popular. And the party sacked him. If Malcolm tried the same act, the party would sack him too.

The problem is that the world isn't simple. Malcolm is a lot smarter than Tony, but he has the same team to work with and a much more difficult senate. As much as any politician can, I think he is actually trying to do the right things, made more difficult by left and right wing battles within the party.

I can't imagine what Cory Bernadi is thinking. He obviously thinks he has been treated badly, getting no front bench position for example. But next time he runs for election, Xenephon will probably get his SA senate seat.

Bernadi just got back from a Taxpayer funded long holiday in the USA where he was able to watch Trump's campaign and he got a copy-cap made up. He probably thinks he will be swept to power by a groundswell of public opinion just by wearing the cap. I don't know if he has taken compulsory voting (here but not in the USA) into account. Australia hasn't suffered as much by the economic depression as the USA, either, thanks largely to mining.

The Liberal Party will be better off without Bernadi, unless he votes against the government just to upset them.

Turnbull realises that Trump could bring back coal but maybe not one unemployed miner in West Virginia will get his job back as a result. The same with other industries. If cars are all made in the USA, it will be robots on the production line, not unionised workers. The clock isn't turning back to the 1980s. So Malcolm is talking up new technology in the complete absence of anything else. Since coal mining is still going gangbusters, Turnbull can't promise to bring it back.

There are no soft options, no easy answers, despite what the right wing say. And there is one less right winger left in the party to say it.

Peter
M636C
What you say about Tony is right, he did some dumb things no doubt about that, but I am fairly sure he has learnt from his misgivings, the sad fact about Malcom is, he was very unpopular even before he become PM IIRC? and people are not listening to him now, you can tell that by the polls, and until Malcom gets pushed, I cannot see an improvement in the situation
Kind Regards
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
I can't imagine what Cory Bernadi is thinking. He obviously thinks he has been treated badly, getting no front bench position for example. But next time he runs for election, Xenephon will probably get his SA senate seat.
M636C
One Nation very nearly got the last senate spot in SA so it's possible that they will pick it up if the Liberal vote gets split - but we'll have to wait and see; I'm not convinced that Xenophon will be able to repeat the stunning results of the last election very easily. And yes, anyone would think poor Cory had been hard done by going by his dummy spit today but he will soon find it pretty lonely on the cross-benches - there wasn't exactly a rush of MP's following him to his new party.
The Liberal Party will be better off without Bernadi, unless he votes against the government just to upset them.
M636C
I'd put money on it.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
... His politics don't strike me as popular, he certainly isn't a part of the Trump brand which I keep reading in the media today as Bernardi is a 10 year veteran of the Senate and involved in the party machine before that, no really anti establishment which is the brand he looks to be attempting to sell.
kapow
He thinks he can emulate the anti-establishment vibe of Trump but in reality he isn't anything like him; he's really quite delusional on that score. I guess he is best buddies with Gina Rinehart and to a significant extent her money will probably get him air-time and organisation but it wouldn't be the first time that a billionaire has tried to start their own political party through a proxy and failed.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Malcolm Turnbull's fake rage explodes against that champagne-quaffing billionaire-loving Bill Shorten (News.com.au):

Calling Mr Shorten a “social-climbing” sycophant to Melbourne’s billionaires, the PM accused the Labor leader of double standards and of lacking integrity.
“There was never a union leader in Melbourne that tucked his knees under more billionaires’ tables than the Leader of the Opposition — he lapped it up,” Mr Turnbull said.
“He was such a sycophant, a social-climbing sycophant if ever there was one.
“He will say whatever suits his purpose from day to day — no consistency, no integrity.
“This sycophant, blowing hard in the House of Representatives, sucking hard in the living rooms of Melbourne — what a hypocrite.”

Hmm... trying to distract from your own abysmal performance, Malcolm? How many Newspolls have you lost now? And as others have already mentioned, the gap is widening - 46/54.

Meanwhile there's indications that a Royal Commission into the banking industry might get through the House of Representatives after MP George Christensen indicated he would cross the floor to vote in favour of Bob Katter's proposal (ABC News). It's still unlikely to get off the ground as only governments can order Royal Commissions, however it's yet another indication that Malcolm no longer has control over the agenda.

How much longer for Malcolm Turnbull, Prime Minister?
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
A desperate effort by Malcolm to look tough. Shorten played it nicely by "feeling very sorry for Mr Turnbull who is obviously under great pressure . . . "  Pressure to retain his job? I would think that was the shade of meaning intended.
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
Have a listen to this, this is a very fired up Ian Mcdonald on Ben Fordham's program this afternoon, arguing why they should keep the Gold Pass, that MT is going to cut, http://www.2gb.com/podcast/ben-fordham-vs-ian-macdonald/- this guy needs to come into the real world!
Kind Regards
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Have a listen to this, this is a very fired up Ian Mcdonald on Ben Fordham's program this afternoon, arguing why they should keep the Gold Pass, that MT is going to cut, http://www.2gb.com/podcast/ben-fordham-vs-ian-macdonald/- this guy needs to come into the real world!
lsrailfan
And if you listen to him it's all the media's fault that politicians are hated by the public, apparently politicians have no responsibility for their low regard at all.

There is a lot of speculation across the internet today about Malcolm's future in the wake of his huge slapping of Bill Shorten with a wet lettuce leaf... seems to have backfired?
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
Have a listen to this, this is a very fired up Ian Mcdonald on Ben Fordham's program this afternoon, arguing why they should keep the Gold Pass, that MT is going to cut, http://www.2gb.com/podcast/ben-fordham-vs-ian-macdonald/- this guy needs to come into the real world!
And if you listen to him it's all the media's fault that politicians are hated by the public, apparently politicians have no responsibility for their low regard at all.

There is a lot of speculation across the internet today about Malcolm's future in the wake of his huge slapping of Bill Shorten with a wet lettuce leaf... seems to have backfired?
don_dunstan
The media is comparing it to the Julia Gillard slap down of Tony Abbott, remember that frothing and foaming speech that she gave about Tones being a misogynist?? did not make a single bit of difference in the end, sure the backbenchers might have got their jollies up for a bit, but what happened soon afterwards  hmmm??
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  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
The media is comparing it to the Julia Gillard slap down of Tony Abbott, remember that frothing and foaming speech that she gave about Tones being a misogynist??
lsrailfan
It seemed really desperate to me - and it came across completely wrong calling Shorten a lover of privilege and status, a bit like a private schoolboy railing against those scholarship kids getting in for free. Turnbull is (after all) well used to the company of the extremely wealthy and powerful; he wouldn't be where he was without his money or mates network. As you say, it seemed to be all about appealing to the back-bench and trying to show them that he's not a soggy tissue but I fear its all too late.

Right on cue Andrew Bolt comes out and calls yet again for the replacement of Malcolm with his best buddy Tones:

MALCOLM Turnbull is finished as Prime Minister and must be replaced — but only by a conservative.

Don’t listen to the dumb talk that says Turnbull’s crash and burn in the polls proves changing leaders does not work.

Wrong. It’s changing to a dud leader — whether Julia Gillard or Turnbull — that does not work.

But changing to a better one does. Changing to Paul Keating won Labor the 1993 election. Changing back to Kevin Rudd after Gillard turned toxic saved at least 10 Labor seats at the 2013 election.

Sorry, Andrew, but Tones had his turn in the big chair and he was dreadful - someone else needs to have a go.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Turnbull's well-orchestrated, high volume, personal attack on Shorten seems to have come a resounding thud. Not long after his disgraceful display we heard grabs from Joyce, Dutton and Pyne all saying how tough the PM is; all no doubt pre-arranged.
In the media, both journalists and letter-writers have universally condemned Turnbull for it, with most suggesting he put that much energy into doing a few useful things to actually run the country.
Bad luck Malcolm, it's gone over like a one-legged man in the pole vault.
  M636C Minister for Railways

Turnbull's well-orchestrated, high volume, personal attack on Shorten seems to have come a resounding thud. Not long after his disgraceful display we heard grabs from Joyce, Dutton and Pyne all saying how tough the PM is; all no doubt pre-arranged.
In the media, both journalists and letter-writers have universally condemned Turnbull for it, with most suggesting he put that much energy into doing a few useful things to actually run the country.
Bad luck Malcolm, it's gone over like a one-legged man in the pole vault.
Valvegear
Not quite universally...

The Murdoch papers are suggesting it is the best thing since, well, sliced bread...

Only Bolt seems to be pushing an Abbott revival....

Peter
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Not quite universally...
"M636C"
Fair call; I should have said, "widely" condemned.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
A Galaxy poll in the Courier-Mail today shows that One Nation is likely to win something like 20 seats in the Queensland election later this year (News.com.au). Strange to imagine that someone might have to form a coalition with them in order to get government - unless the Liberals, Nationals or Labor Party form some kind of coalition to keep them away from power?
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
If One Nation does achieve 20 seats, I think it will not be because people like One Nation; it will be because they can't stand the major parties any more.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
If One Nation does achieve 20 seats, I think it will not be because people like One Nation; it will be because they can't stand the major parties any more.
Valvegear
It will be because One Nation is prepared to stand up (perhaps in an overly simplistic manner) for what so many Australians believe but have never before had a means of being heard.

Neither of the major parties is interested in reality or the average person in the street.

People are beginning to vote if not on a suicidal basis but certainly with a 'devil may care attitude'.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Neither of the major parties is interested in reality or the average person in the street.
YM-Mundrabilla
It goes back to lessons of Brexit and Donald Trump's win - people don't care how they are perceived in voting for One Nation, they feel that they are not being listened to and that they are marginalised and excluded from decisions and this is their one way of getting back at those in charge. It's no good trying to castigate those people and tell them that they are "deplorable" for voting that way - the major parties instead have to work out what they are doing wrong in order to try and win those voters back again.
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
Neither of the major parties is interested in reality or the average person in the street.
It goes back to lessons of Brexit and Donald Trump's win - people don't care how they are perceived in voting for One Nation, they feel that they are not being listened to and that they are marginalised and excluded from decisions and this is their one way of getting back at those in charge. It's no good trying to castigate those people and tell them that they are "deplorable" for voting that way - the major parties instead have to work out what they are doing wrong in order to try and win those voters back again.
don_dunstan
The sooner the two major parties (and the media!) realise that the day of the "Two Party Preferred" poll is rapidly evaporating.
The general public is obviously disillusioned with the old Lib/Labor party lines, and the childish bickering that wouldn't happen (or be tolerated) in a kindergarten ends, the better.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Sensational news from Western Australia this morning with the revelation that Colin Barnett's government will preference One Nation ahead of the Nationals in the WA upper house (Perth Now). Banaby Joyce has expressed dismay that the Liberals are dumping their coalition partners in WA:

A disappointed Mr Joyce said it was a statement of fact the most successful governments in Australia were Liberal-Nationals coalitions.

"Colin Barnett has been around the political game a long while and should seriously consider whether he thinks this is a good idea or whether he is flirting with a concept that ultimately will put his own side is in opposition," he told reporters in Canberra on Monday.

I think Barnaby knows full well that the Nats are staring into the abyss if these deals are replicated across Australia; they will simply cease to exist in all but one or two rusted-on seats such as Mallee. As for Colin Barnett, he's made no attempt to disguise the fact that it's about trying to shore up government - love her or loathe her, Pauline is going to be a permanent fixture of the political landscape in Australia now. Whether or not she can pick competent politicians to run for her party remains to be seen though.

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