Auscision Models Blog

 
  TheMeddlingMonk Deputy Commissioner

Location: The Time Vortex near Melbourne, Australia
A generic (Walhers) bulk liquid tank is about AU$15 in painted but unassembled form (refer http://www.australianmodeller.com.au/products/20-tank-container-bond for an example). The in-fuel tanks are not a generic tank, and have extra detailing, the pumps, correct tank framework, etc. If you want a "near enough"  version of the tanks you can do it for about $35 + the cost of decals (which you'll be hard put finding) and a few hours research and modelling as opposed to the $65 for RTR tanks that are accurate and ready to plonk.
..... so it cost Auscision less than $35.00 (obviously), and they are charging $65.00.  Not a bad profit.

Happy scratchbuilding,

John
c3526blue
You're forgetting the cost of the labour and time.

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  Bills_Billboards Chief Commissioner

A generic (Walhers) bulk liquid tank is about AU$15 in painted but unassembled form (refer http://www.australianmodeller.com.au/products/20-tank-container-bond for an example). The in-fuel tanks are not a generic tank, and have extra detailing, the pumps, correct tank framework, etc. If you want a "near enough"  version of the tanks you can do it for about $35 + the cost of decals (which you'll be hard put finding) and a few hours research and modelling as opposed to the $65 for RTR tanks that are accurate and ready to plonk.
..... so it cost Auscision less than $35.00 (obviously), and they are charging $65.00.  Not a bad profit.

Happy scratchbuilding,

John

Not even a 100 percent mark up , thats better than any of the major department stores , Knew someone who worked in MYER if they couldnt put 300 percent on a item they would not stock it
Happy shopping Wink
c3526blue
  kingfisher Chief Train Controller

A generic (Walhers) bulk liquid tank is about AU$15 in painted but unassembled form (refer http://www.australianmodeller.com.au/products/20-tank-container-bond for an example). The in-fuel tanks are not a generic tank, and have extra detailing, the pumps, correct tank framework, etc. If you want a "near enough"  version of the tanks you can do it for about $35 + the cost of decals (which you'll be hard put finding) and a few hours research and modelling as opposed to the $65 for RTR tanks that are accurate and ready to plonk.
..... so it cost Auscision less than $35.00 (obviously), and they are charging $65.00.  Not a bad profit.

Happy scratchbuilding,

John
c3526blue
Don't like the price, don't purchase it! Easy
  sm-at-eden Station Master

Good afternoon Speculators,

Any possibility that one of the two "Coming Soon" spaces in the Locomotive section of the Products Page is reserved for the NR?

Anybody want to speculate on the other space?

Gary
  GT46C-ACe Assistant Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
NR already has a space....possibly the C class going off hints or the GLs.
  Roachie Chief Commissioner

Location: Kadina SA (formerly NSW)
Any chance they could be doing the SAR 600 class???
  dthead Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Any chance they could be doing the SAR 600 class???
Roachie

I think the 600 will only been considered as the "last" variant of the 45 runs. It could be sometime before reruns etc are done and they think to alter the tooling. So I think not, though I'd like a green and gold one.......

Regards,
David Head
  allan Chief Commissioner

Any chance they could be doing the SAR 600 class???
I think the 600 will only been considered as the "last" variant of the 45 runs. It could be sometime before reruns etc are done and they think to alter the tooling. So I think not, though I'd like a green and gold one.......
dthead
There is a challenge, here. Each of the green and gold ones was different, and they all changed over time. I suspect that there are well over a dozen variations of this colour scheme - among just seven locos.

For which locos can tooling costs be justified?

This is a business, after all, where a return on investment is a goal.
  Just The Tip Junior Train Controller

Location: Danger zone
Any chance they could be doing the SAR 600 class???
I think the 600 will only been considered as the "last" variant of the 45 runs. It could be sometime before reruns etc are done and they think to alter the tooling. So I think not, though I'd like a green and gold one.......
There is a challenge, here. Each of the green and gold ones was different, and they all changed over time. I suspect that there are well over a dozen variations of this colour scheme - among just seven locos.

For which locos can tooling costs be justified?

This is a business, after all, where a return on investment is a goal.
allan
This guy gets it!!!
(applause from the gathered crowd)
  GT46C-ACe Assistant Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
Received my PQFYs, container pins don't quite line up exactly with the holes on the flat car deck :/ might be hit and miss but none of my 4 containers sit correctly.
  comtrain Chief Commissioner

Location: Near Albury Wodonga
NR already has a space....possibly the C class going off hints or the GLs.
GT46C-ACe
I just cannot understand why nobody has built the DE C Class

It has to be a no-brainer No1 best seller.
Auscision  don't care if anybody else does it, for sure, they will do it when they are ready

SDS might be frightened of doing it, because Auscision might do a 48 Class type attack.
Although if they upgraded the Austrains dies they could do a cheap but much improved version of the old Austrains model.

with new weights allowing for sound, speakers and LED markers etc would sell at $295 / $405 very well. The model is not that bad and could be improved.
When I was a young man several cottage industries supplied weights, conversions etc for Lima stuff, that allowed you to install windows and 12 wheel drive Athearn gear and make very nice models up.

Nobody ever does that anymore. I guess we are dumb-ed out and our entrepreneurs are all into model trucks?

So back to my question.
Why has it taken so long to do a better C Class?
Cheers
Rod
  M636C Minister for Railways



So back to my question.
Why has it taken so long to do a better C Class?
Cheers
Rod
comtrain

Because very few locomotives have varied in appearance in detail as much as the C class has through its service life to date.

Austrains made a very accurate model of the C class as first built (I can't remember now whether they incuded the versions with and without the front platform) This was some time ago and the detail isn't up to current standards.

But The prototype locomotive were modified with handrails alongside the long hood and later the hood itself was extended to allow for a toilet at the rear of the locomotive. Also, the prototype cab side windows were modified.

I myself bought an Austrains C in Silverton colours because I liked the scheme, but the cab side windows were wrong and it lacked the long hood handrails. But the model was made before these changes occurred. The long hood toilets postdated the Silverton scheme.

So you have a group of ten locomotives that have mainly worked between Adelaide, Melbourne and Sydney, and more recently in NSW, except fror C501 which has the long hood handrails but is painted in the original colours and doesn't do much at all.

It would probably be impossible to retool the Austrains dies for all the modifications, so we are stuck with someone starting from scratch. Auscision are the most likely candidate, because there was one C painted in SSR colours (It is stored under a tarpaulin in Goulburn - SSR don't actually own it.)

If it was my money, I wouldn't pay for the complex new dies for a C class, but as I said, I already have an incorrect Silverton model (and two accurate original VR models).

Peter
  meh Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
I must have been one of the lucky ones:



Cheers,
  brissim Chief Train Controller

Don't think luck had anything to do with it. Auscision did say they would be distributing what 2-packs they did have in order of receipt of the pre-orders.

Tony
  kingfisher Chief Train Controller

I must have been one of the lucky ones:



Cheers,
meh
Got my MBY 2 car packs today and they are sensational models. Very nicely weighted with a real sturdy feel to them with no danger of parts falling off while handling them.
  meh Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
Got my MBY 2 car packs today and they are sensational models. Very nicely weighted with a real sturdy feel to them with no danger of parts falling off while handling them.
kingfisher
Agreed; for the type of wagon they are it'd have to be the best of both worlds; detailing and robustness.
  comtrain Chief Commissioner

Location: Near Albury Wodonga


So back to my question.
Why has it taken so long to do a better C Class?
Cheers
Rod
Because very few locomotives have varied in appearance in detail as much as the C class has through its service life to date.

Austrains made a very accurate model of the C class as first built (I can't remember now whether they incuded the versions with and without the front platform) This was some time ago and the detail isn't up to current standards.

But The prototype locomotive were modified with handrails alongside the long hood and later the hood itself was extended to allow for a toilet at the rear of the locomotive. Also, the prototype cab side windows were modified.

I myself bought an Austrains C in Silverton colours because I liked the scheme, but the cab side windows were wrong and it lacked the long hood handrails. But the model was made before these changes occurred. The long hood toilets postdated the Silverton scheme.

So you have a group of ten locomotives that have mainly worked between Adelaide, Melbourne and Sydney, and more recently in NSW, except fror C501 which has the long hood handrails but is painted in the original colours and doesn't do much at all.

It would probably be impossible to retool the Austrains dies for all the modifications, so we are stuck with someone starting from scratch. Auscision are the most likely candidate, because there was one C painted in SSR colours (It is stored under a tarpaulin in Goulburn - SSR don't actually own it.)

If it was my money, I wouldn't pay for the complex new dies for a C class, but as I said, I already have an incorrect Silverton model (and two accurate original VR models).

Peter
M636C
Hello Peter,
ok a few corrections if I may. Based on my time working these things up to 2000. They never added to the front creating a walkway, however at least one loco had a wrap around railing, but from memory you could not walk inside it and the nose.
The handrail mod could easily be sold as a cottage industry add on or just scratched by someone with a work desk, I guess.
The V/line mods were reshaping the front windscreen,replacing a C design with the New X design widcreen inserts to simplify spare parts inventory.
Later on an air conditioner and drainage pipes were added.
I cannot remember any other V/Line changes, except perhaps the aerial base reflector for through running?
Later on I noticed small boxes were placed to hold the marker lights, and ditch lights
I really dont think any of these changes would require drastic re-engineering of the Austrains model.

My point was that Austrains made a very basic model. They used a good drive train, with 2D crap bogie side frames, and  untidy internal design creating problems for those who wished sound, or even silent DCC. As well, only head lights.
They are a dated model, and if I were SDS I would have done an upgrade and released silent and sound versions really quickly. With 20 ?? different colour schemes they would have to sell, I would have thought Very Happy
Just saying,
Cheers
Rod Smile
edit is the Austrains model an original winscreen? or an X?
edit 2 The toilets appear to be added to the same floor plate without extension, which to my mind would be  the biggest alteration to the die?
  catchpoint Assistant Commissioner

Location: At the end of a loop


So back to my question.
Why has it taken so long to do a better C Class?
Cheers
Rod
Because very few locomotives have varied in appearance in detail as much as the C class has through its service life to date.

Austrains made a very accurate model of the C class as first built (I can't remember now whether they incuded the versions with and without the front platform) This was some time ago and the detail isn't up to current standards.

But The prototype locomotive were modified with handrails alongside the long hood and later the hood itself was extended to allow for a toilet at the rear of the locomotive. Also, the prototype cab side windows were modified.

I myself bought an Austrains C in Silverton colours because I liked the scheme, but the cab side windows were wrong and it lacked the long hood handrails. But the model was made before these changes occurred. The long hood toilets postdated the Silverton scheme.

So you have a group of ten locomotives that have mainly worked between Adelaide, Melbourne and Sydney, and more recently in NSW, except fror C501 which has the long hood handrails but is painted in the original colours and doesn't do much at all.

It would probably be impossible to retool the Austrains dies for all the modifications, so we are stuck with someone starting from scratch. Auscision are the most likely candidate, because there was one C painted in SSR colours (It is stored under a tarpaulin in Goulburn - SSR don't actually own it.)

If it was my money, I wouldn't pay for the complex new dies for a C class, but as I said, I already have an incorrect Silverton model (and two accurate original VR models).

PeterHello Peter,
ok a few corrections if I may. Based on my time working these things up to 2000. They never added to the front creating a walkway, however at least one loco had a wrap around railing, but from memory you could not walk inside it and the nose.
The handrail mod could easily be sold as a cottage industry add on or just scratched by someone with a work desk, I guess.
The V/line mods were reshaping the front windscreen,replacing a C design with the New X design widcreen inserts to simplify spare parts inventory.
Later on an air conditioner and drainage pipes were added.
I cannot remember any other V/Line changes, except perhaps the aerial base reflector for through running?
Later on I noticed small boxes were placed to hold the marker lights, and ditch lights
I really dont think any of these changes would require drastic re-engineering of the Austrains model.

My point was that Austrains made a very basic model. They used a good drive train, with 2D crap bogie side frames, and  untidy internal design creating problems for those who wished sound, or even silent DCC. As well, only head lights.
They are a dated model, and if I were SDS I would have done an upgrade and released silent and sound versions really quickly. With 20 ?? different colour schemes they would have to sell, I would have thought Very Happy
Just saying,
Cheers
Rod Smile
edit is the Austrains model an original winscreen? or an X?
edit 2 The toilets appear to be added to the same floor plate without extension, which to my mind would be  the biggest alteration to the die?
comtrain


Great !

Tell them - either Austrains / SDS or Auscision, start a polite email campaign with suggestions

Waxing lyrical on here day in/day out about the C class may not get their actual attention and you may not get the model you would like*....

Regards,

Catchpoint

* subject to commercial realities and build ability issues, you know tooling variations etc. lost tooling, relocating tooling from factory "x" to factory "y", "coming soon" place holders on importers websites - heck how about we leave it all at just reality alone.

Haven't Auscision dropped a really big hint that they are doing the C?
  comtrain Chief Commissioner

Location: Near Albury Wodonga



Great !

Tell them - either Austrains / SDS or Auscision, start a polite email campaign with suggestions

Waxing lyrical on here day in/day out about the C class may not get their actual attention and you may not get the model you would like*....

Regards,

Catchpoint

* subject to commercial realities and build ability issues, you know tooling variations etc. lost tooling, relocating tooling from factory "x" to factory "y", "coming soon" place holders on importers websites - heck how about we leave it all at just reality alone.

Haven't Auscision dropped a really big hint that they are doing the C?
catchpoint
I hear you catch point, The hint was dropped about 4 years back, from memory. About the time SDS added a C to their banner?
But reality is that Auscision even mentioned steam, a GL and a few others, a couple years back. And Eureka mentioned over 30 different releases over the years. It really means nothing, does it.
I cannot think differently though, alas, Its all a bit of a mystery how these guys think.
Cheers
  Factory_Fill Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne VIC
I keep seeing Freightliner C44's on facebook.

They look too good to be an after production respray. Whats the deal, and how did a couple of fellas get their hands on them?
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
I keep seeing Freightliner C44's on facebook.

They look too good to be an after production respray. Whats the deal, and how did a couple of fellas get their hands on them?
Factory_Fill
They could be hand built brass models made by a modeler on a Facebook page he does batches of them at times. They are excellent models though so it might pay to get onto those Facebook pages and ask who is is and then see if you can order one from him!
  FirstStopCentral Chief Train Controller



Australian Modeller FB page, July 2 2016

Paul
  M636C Minister for Railways



Australian Modeller FB page, July 2 2016

Paul
FirstStopCentral
To answer the comments to my post above by comtrain and catchpoint....

The drawing of the (CFCLA) C in SSR colours shows the changes that I spoke of that were not on the Austrains model.

The front walkway might have been on the model. but the "lip" on the frame was always there, and only the handrails were changed.  The shape of the cab front windows was, I think, the original but I don't know.

The drawing shows the cab side windows as fitted in the Silverton era. These were an aluminium framed unit. The original windows had only the first two panes which were mounted differently but looked similar, at least in HO.

The outside handrails were added during the Silverton era (or earlier). As built, they had only the handrails on the hood side.

As built, there was a walkway at the rear. This was filled in by the addition of the toilet. The original hood end panel was moved back and the hood extended. The hood ended at the radiator grille panel as built. The toilet door is on the other side.

It is very unlikely that the Austrains dies could be altered to allow for the toilet, but new dies could easily make allowance for that. The Austrains dies could possibly be modified for the larger cab side window.

Peter
  comtrain Chief Commissioner

Location: Near Albury Wodonga


Australian Modeller FB page, July 2 2016

Paul
FirstStopCentral
Its certainly a lovely artists impression, Paul.
However we both know that Peter W has already commissioned plans for every Australian prototype, that the Company could think of doing. And  drawings and pretty pictures like this rendition are used to develop full scale repaints for SSR,  all available to the Auscision model repository. Now if they showed a non SSR livery other than VR / V/Line, that would be more interesting Wink

Like I said before, it was due about the time the early X was announced, and it may have not made the cut. Oh I really doubt that, but the delay is interesting, none the less.
Cheers
Rod Young
  comtrain Chief Commissioner

Location: Near Albury Wodonga


Australian Modeller FB page, July 2 2016

Paul
To answer the comments to my post above by comtrain and catchpoint....

The drawing of the (CFCLA) C in SSR colours shows the changes that I spoke of that were not on the Austrains model.

The front walkway might have been on the model. but the "lip" on the frame was always there, and only the handrails were changed.  The shape of the cab front windows was, I think, the original but I don't know.

The drawing shows the cab side windows as fitted in the Silverton era. These were an aluminium framed unit. The original windows had only the first two panes which were mounted differently but looked similar, at least in HO.

The outside handrails were added during the Silverton era (or earlier). As built, they had only the handrails on the hood side.

As built, there was a walkway at the rear. This was filled in by the addition of the toilet. The original hood end panel was moved back and the hood extended. The hood ended at the radiator grille panel as built. The toilet door is on the other side.

It is very unlikely that the Austrains dies could be altered to allow for the toilet, but new dies could easily make allowance for that. The Austrains dies could possibly be modified for the larger cab side window.

Peter
M636C
And of course the toilets were not on every incarnation of the privately operated C. I had not noticed the longer cab window, but thank goodness the old drop down windows are gone.
I remember returning from Dimboola and hitting a hole neat Manor, when my window drooped and shattered during a rain storm. Their fix was to replace the class with scratched perspex. The model cab is a separate molding.
If you wanted a toilet, simply cut the rear off and apply a cast replacement nose (remember the Canon model Co in US?)
The SCT fuel containers are a prime example of how to lower the costs of a limited run. Who would have thought a rubber mold could produce such a nice model.
Really I am setting up a much better case for a cottage Industry upgrade kit. In fact, I want the factory paint jobs so I would still push for a factory release.
Cheers
Rod

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