Diesel Loco Refuelling Station

 
  disasterrisk Station Master

I want to add diesel loco refuelling station to my loco shed. I have several general photos of refuelling stations but nothing that shows the hose and "bowser" - pump metering housing. Can anyone assist?

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  a6et Minister for Railways

I want to add diesel loco refuelling station to my loco shed. I have several general photos of refuelling stations but nothing that shows the hose and "bowser" - pump metering housing. Can anyone assist?
disasterrisk
Most depots were really pretty basic, depending on the era, modern operations are very different as they are very much more for other servicing requirements as well.

The most basic was a lean too with a roof over the top and maybe a full length to the ground or top of the concrete slab where the hoses, pump and fuel gauge was.  Some depots had two roads with access to both roads for fueling, with hoses set apart to allow at least 2 engines at the one time to be fueled.

An overhead pipe for the fuel ran from storage to the site with gate valve at the storage side. Elbow to run down to what was a very simple open air like fuel bowser, elbow to horizontal through the pump and meter reading, to the flexible hose connection, the head of which clipped into the loco fuel tank.  Sanding facilities often were near the fuel point as well, generally speaking on the arrival road where they were stabled, sand first, then to fuel point and into the shed or paddock if nothing else needed to them
  G Train Locomotive Driver

If modelling NSW, Albury had a fuel point up. A Flickr or general image search of trains at Albury from the 70's, 80's and early 90's might give you what you're after. An overbridge is nearby and many people took photos from it.

Cootamundra, NSW on the Main South still has a fuel point, also with a pedestrian overbridge, pretty much right over the top of it. Again a similar image search from here might help you. I have got photos from this location in recent times, but would need to check if the bowser, etc are clearly shown.

If this location and era might be what you're after let me know and I'll see what I can dig up.
  sm-at-eden Station Master

I want to add diesel loco refuelling station to my loco shed. I have several general photos of refuelling stations but nothing that shows the hose and "bowser" - pump metering housing. Can anyone assist?
disasterrisk
Have you had a look at the Loco Fuelling Station that Southern Rail are about to release in the near future?  The pictures on their Website look pretty good.  The latest AMRM has the latest update.

This may be just what you want, if not, I know that there are Fuelling Stations kits available from Walthers Cornerstone and Kibri (I think) that may be worthy of investigation by you, I have seen these on eBay from time to time.

Cheers,

Gary
  dthead Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Took, over several years, some photos of the fueling station at Cootamundra,NSW.


One side of the footbridge was the tank  and unloader.






The other side the fuel point.





Regards,
David Head
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
Interesting clip, albeit by a UK modeller, for a fuelling point.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbxhJaxOecM
  comtrain Chief Commissioner

Location: Near Albury Wodonga
If modelling NSW, Albury had a fuel point up. A Flickr or general image search of trains at Albury from the 70's, 80's and early 90's might give you what you're after. An overbridge is nearby and many people took photos from it.

Cootamundra, NSW on the Main South still has a fuel point, also with a pedestrian overbridge, pretty much right over the top of it. Again a similar image search from here might help you. I have got photos from this location in recent times, but would need to check if the bowser, etc are clearly shown.

If this location and era might be what you're after let me know and I'll see what I can dig up.
G Train
No I have searched high and low Their is always a loco in front and I can find no layout pic of the bowser water and sand lines. From memory their was a raised step allowing access to the engine. I have a dozen pictures PM me if you want what I have.
Dont forget Southern Models are releasing a fuel point (modern) in May I think?
You can find it here with an early bird price http://www.southernrailmodels.com.au/article/21st-december-2016-so-this-is-christmas-projects-and-promos
Cheers
Rod
  comtrain Chief Commissioner

Location: Near Albury Wodonga
Took, over several years, some photos of the fueling station at Cootamundra,NSW.


One side of the footbridge was the tank  and unloader.






The other side the fuel point.





Regards,
David Head
dthead
Thanks David


This is Albury I am guessing the working bits will be similar
Cheers
Rod
  disasterrisk Station Master

I want to add diesel loco refuelling station to my loco shed. I have several general photos of refuelling stations but nothing that shows the hose and "bowser" - pump metering housing. Can anyone assist?
Most depots were really pretty basic, depending on the era, modern operations are very different as they are very much more for other servicing requirements as well.

The most basic was a lean too with a roof over the top and maybe a full length to the ground or top of the concrete slab where the hoses, pump and fuel gauge was.  Some depots had two roads with access to both roads for fueling, with hoses set apart to allow at least 2 engines at the one time to be fueled.

An overhead pipe for the fuel ran from storage to the site with gate valve at the storage side. Elbow to run down to what was a very simple open air like fuel bowser, elbow to horizontal through the pump and meter reading, to the flexible hose connection, the head of which clipped into the loco fuel tank.  Sanding facilities often were near the fuel point as well, generally speaking on the arrival road where they were stabled, sand first, then to fuel point and into the shed or paddock if nothing else needed to them
a6et
a6et
Thank you for the comments. I am modelling the 50/60s country NSW at the start of dieselisation so the basic layout would suit fine. Two other responders to the post -"dthead "and "G Train" have provided photos of simple stations and "Shed_Rat" provided some plans. So with all of this info I should be able to incorporate a suitable refuelling station in the layout.Happy railroading.
Ken
Disasterrisk
  disasterrisk Station Master

If modelling NSW, Albury had a fuel point up. A Flickr or general image search of trains at Albury from the 70's, 80's and early 90's might give you what you're after. An overbridge is nearby and many people took photos from it.

Cootamundra, NSW on the Main South still has a fuel point, also with a pedestrian overbridge, pretty much right over the top of it. Again a similar image search from here might help you. I have got photos from this location in recent times, but would need to check if the bowser, etc are clearly shown.

If this location and era might be what you're after let me know and I'll see what I can dig up.
G Train
G Train
Thank you for the information and offer of photos. I am modelling the 50/60s NSW country around the start of dieselisation so a simple layout would suit. Three other responders to the post - dthead, a6et & Shed_Rat have provided photos and plans of a simple station so I should be able to put something together from their inputs. Happy railroading.
Ken
Disasterrisk
  disasterrisk Station Master

[img]http://i1196.photobucket.com/albums/aa412/Evilsdude/94254%20Arrangement%20of%20fuelling%20positions%20for%20diesel%20locos%201966.jpg[/img]
Fuelling  point details

[img]http://i1196.photobucket.com/albums/aa412/Evilsdude/184-298%20Fuelling%20Shed.jpg[/img]
Fuelling Shed

[img]http://i1196.photobucket.com/albums/aa412/Evilsdude/190-381%20Loco%20Depots%20-%20Sand%20Servicing%20Station%20Single%202%20x%2012%20T%20and%20Double%204%20x%2012%20T%20General%20Arrangement%20and%20Footings%200023679_C0c.jpg[/img]
Sanding shed
Shed_Rat
Shed_Rat
Thank you for the reply and plans.Two other responders have provided photos of fueling facilities so together with your plans I should be able to make a suitable station. I note the the plan link titled Fuelling Shed is actually instead a Roundhouse. If there is a fuelling shed  a copy of the plan would be appreciated. Happy modelling.
Ken
Disasterrisk
  disasterrisk Station Master

Interesting clip, albeit by a UK modeller, for a fuelling point.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbxhJaxOecM
Pressman
Pressman
Thank you for the reply. The video clip was interesting. Several other responders have supplied photos and plans of NSW facilities so I should be able to make a suitable model. Happy modelling.
Ken
Disasterrisk
  disasterrisk Station Master

Interesting clip, albeit by a UK modeller, for a fuelling point.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbxhJaxOecM
Pressman
Pressman
Thank you for the reply. The video clip was interesting. Several other responders have supplied photos and plans of NSW facilities so I should be able to make a suitable model. Happy modelling.
Ken
Disasterrisk
  disasterrisk Station Master

Took, over several years, some photos of the fueling station at Cootamundra,NSW.


One side of the footbridge was the tank  and unloader.






The other side the fuel point.





Regards,
David Head
Thanks David


This is Albury I am guessing the working bits will be similar
Cheers
Rod
comtrain
Comtrain
Thank you for the reply. Several other responders have also supplied photos and plans so with the combined responses I should be able to make a suitable station. Happy modelling
Ken
Disasterrisk
  Shed_Rat Train Controller

Location: 'A' Shop - Swindon Works
[img]http://i1196.photobucket.com/albums/aa412/Evilsdude/94254%20Arrangement%20of%20fuelling%20positions%20for%20diesel%20locos%201966.jpg[/img]
Fuelling  point details

[img]http://i1196.photobucket.com/albums/aa412/Evilsdude/184-298%20Fuelling%20Shed.jpg[/img]
Fuelling Shed

[img]http://i1196.photobucket.com/albums/aa412/Evilsdude/190-381%20Loco%20Depots%20-%20Sand%20Servicing%20Station%20Single%202%20x%2012%20T%20and%20Double%204%20x%2012%20T%20General%20Arrangement%20and%20Footings%200023679_C0c.jpg[/img]
Sanding shed
Shed_Rat
Thank you for the reply and plans.Two other responders have provided photos of fueling facilities so together with your plans I should be able to make a suitable station. I note the the plan link titled Fuelling Shed is actually instead a Roundhouse. If there is a fuelling shed  a copy of the plan would be appreciated. Happy modelling.
Ken
Disasterrisk

The link to the Fuelling Shed drawing is of fuel shed, it is the 2 road fuel shed that is adjacent to Broadmeadow No.2 Roundhouse as can be seen on the site plan in the lower right corner. Photo of the surviving structure https://www.flickr.com/photos/54488628@N08/8290753934/in/photolist-iVgX5Q-hYjoHj-h831ZN-f4jNkC-f4iQF9-e8Q5Uj-dL2wDG-dKWhj6-dESncW-ieVbx7-dCChim-dBjuqo
disasterrisk
  a6et Minister for Railways

I want to add diesel loco refuelling station to my loco shed. I have several general photos of refuelling stations but nothing that shows the hose and "bowser" - pump metering housing. Can anyone assist?
Most depots were really pretty basic, depending on the era, modern operations are very different as they are very much more for other servicing requirements as well.

The most basic was a lean too with a roof over the top and maybe a full length to the ground or top of the concrete slab where the hoses, pump and fuel gauge was.  Some depots had two roads with access to both roads for fueling, with hoses set apart to allow at least 2 engines at the one time to be fueled.

An overhead pipe for the fuel ran from storage to the site with gate valve at the storage side. Elbow to run down to what was a very simple open air like fuel bowser, elbow to horizontal through the pump and meter reading, to the flexible hose connection, the head of which clipped into the loco fuel tank.  Sanding facilities often were near the fuel point as well, generally speaking on the arrival road where they were stabled, sand first, then to fuel point and into the shed or paddock if nothing else needed to them
a6et
Thank you for the comments. I am modelling the 50/60s country NSW at the start of dieselisation so the basic layout would suit fine. Two other responders to the post -"dthead "and "G Train" have provided photos of simple stations and "Shed_Rat" provided some plans. So with all of this info I should be able to incorporate a suitable refuelling station in the layout.Happy railroading.
Ken
Disasterrisk
disasterrisk
if you are going for the basics in that period, the likes of the Coota facility is where you should be heading, and IIRC, that the fuel point would actually have been even more basic than shown in the photo's.  I remember (just) the Werris Creek Facility in 1969 and it was not as big as it was in the 80's, and lacked more than a mini roof and rear top sheet of iron. Some locations such as Narrabri West had no covers, same with Armidale.

Early days fuel/servicing points had the steam sanding facilities in place and generally only one bowser so one engine only was able to be fueled at any given time. (same as old petrol bowsers where there was a single hose that served both sides) Only the big depots were able to fuel more than one engine at a time. Even Delec only had 2 bowsers but with a single road either side of them.
  catchpoint Assistant Commissioner

Location: At the end of a loop
This is an alternate and much simpler view of Cootamundra pre-roof being installed over bowsers

picture by Don Jones c1982:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/don5617/22000997774/in/photolist-zw9S8Q

Light post / Silver paint on elements up to say head height to assist in the dark / Bowser points as per similar to drawing posted earlier / pipeline coming from storage tank / unsure what the large box in the foreground might be? - filled with sand perhaps? albeit the sand tower at Coota is in the background

Hope this is of interest

Regards,

Catchpoint
  a6et Minister for Railways

This is an alternate and much simpler view of Cootamundra pre-roof being installed over bowsers

picture by Don Jones c1982:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/don5617/22000997774/in/photolist-zw9S8Q

Light post / Silver paint on elements up to say head height to assist in the dark / Bowser points as per similar to drawing posted earlier / pipeline coming from storage tank / unsure what the large box in the foreground might be? - filled with sand perhaps? albeit the sand tower at Coota is in the background

Hope this is of interest

Regards,

Catchpoint
catchpoint
The box you refer to is the crew shelter. Nothing but the best for those working in all weather conditions.

The silver frost painting would have been usually to a heigh of 2 metres. Improvements also of notice is the flourescent light over the bowser,  I cannot find the photo's I have of the sand tower but I am fairly certain that the iron roofing is also a modern cover and certainly not a steam era fiting
  disasterrisk Station Master

I want to add diesel loco refuelling station to my loco shed. I have several general photos of refuelling stations but nothing that shows the hose and "bowser" - pump metering housing. Can anyone assist?
Most depots were really pretty basic, depending on the era, modern operations are very different as they are very much more for other servicing requirements as well.

The most basic was a lean too with a roof over the top and maybe a full length to the ground or top of the concrete slab where the hoses, pump and fuel gauge was.  Some depots had two roads with access to both roads for fueling, with hoses set apart to allow at least 2 engines at the one time to be fueled.

An overhead pipe for the fuel ran from storage to the site with gate valve at the storage side. Elbow to run down to what was a very simple open air like fuel bowser, elbow to horizontal through the pump and meter reading, to the flexible hose connection, the head of which clipped into the loco fuel tank.  Sanding facilities often were near the fuel point as well, generally speaking on the arrival road where they were stabled, sand first, then to fuel point and into the shed or paddock if nothing else needed to them
a6et
Thank you for the comments. I am modelling the 50/60s country NSW at the start of dieselisation so the basic layout would suit fine. Two other responders to the post -"dthead "and "G Train" have provided photos of simple stations and "Shed_Rat" provided some plans. So with all of this info I should be able to incorporate a suitable refuelling station in the layout.Happy railroading.
Ken
Disasterrisk
if you are going for the basics in that period, the likes of the Coota facility is where you should be heading, and IIRC, that the fuel point would actually have been even more basic than shown in the photo's.  I remember (just) the Werris Creek Facility in 1969 and it was not as big as it was in the 80's, and lacked more than a mini roof and rear top sheet of iron. Some locations such as Narrabri West had no covers, same with Armidale.

Early days fuel/servicing points had the steam sanding facilities in place and generally only one bowser so one engine only was able to be fueled at any given time. (same as old petrol bowsers where there was a single hose that served both sides) Only the big depots were able to fuel more than one engine at a time. Even Delec only had 2 bowsers but with a single road either side of them.
a6et
a6et
Thank you for the additional information
Ken -disasterrisk
  disasterrisk Station Master

This is an alternate and much simpler view of Cootamundra pre-roof being installed over bowsers

picture by Don Jones c1982:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/don5617/22000997774/in/photolist-zw9S8Q

Light post / Silver paint on elements up to say head height to assist in the dark / Bowser points as per similar to drawing posted earlier / pipeline coming from storage tank / unsure what the large box in the foreground might be? - filled with sand perhaps? albeit the sand tower at Coota is in the background

Hope this is of interest

Regards,

Catchpoint
catchpoint
catchpoint
Thank you for the additional information
Ken-Diasterrisk
  disasterrisk Station Master

[img]http://i1196.photobucket.com/albums/aa412/Evilsdude/94254%20Arrangement%20of%20fuelling%20positions%20for%20diesel%20locos%201966.jpg[/img]
Fuelling  point details

[img]http://i1196.photobucket.com/albums/aa412/Evilsdude/184-298%20Fuelling%20Shed.jpg[/img]
Fuelling Shed

[img]http://i1196.photobucket.com/albums/aa412/Evilsdude/190-381%20Loco%20Depots%20-%20Sand%20Servicing%20Station%20Single%202%20x%2012%20T%20and%20Double%204%20x%2012%20T%20General%20Arrangement%20and%20Footings%200023679_C0c.jpg[/img]
Sanding shed
Shed_Rat
Thank you for the reply and plans.Two other responders have provided photos of fueling facilities so together with your plans I should be able to make a suitable station. I note the the plan link titled Fuelling Shed is actually instead a Roundhouse. If there is a fuelling shed  a copy of the plan would be appreciated. Happy modelling.
Ken
Disasterrisk

The link to the Fuelling Shed drawing is of fuel shed, it is the 2 road fuel shed that is adjacent to Broadmeadow No.2 Roundhouse as can be seen on the site plan in the lower right corner. Photo of the surviving structure https://www.flickr.com/photos/54488628@N08/8290753934/in/photolist-iVgX5Q-hYjoHj-h831ZN-f4jNkC-f4iQF9-e8Q5Uj-dL2wDG-dKWhj6-dESncW-ieVbx7-dCChim-dBjuqo
Shed_Rat
Shed_Rat
My apologies for the error regarding the Fuelling Shed. Thank you for the correction and the additional information
Ken-Disasterrisk

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