Hawson-Port Pirie Iron Ore

 
  awsgc24 Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney
The Australian newspaper of 24 Feb 2017 p04 reports a possible new iron ore project in SA.

A very large high quality magnetite deposit (14b tonnes) has been discovered at Hawsons, 60km south west of Broken Hill.

20-50m tonnes of ore would be shipped by rail, with a new branch line at Hawsons, to Port Pirie. The ore would be transhipped to barges to be loaded on Capesize ships moored off shore in deeper water.

The mining company concerned is Carpentaria Exploration.

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  awsgc24 Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney

A very large high quality magnetite deposit (14b tonnes) has been discovered at Hawsons, 60km south west of Broken Hill.
awsgc24

The map http://www.street-directory.com.au/ is vague about whether the mine is in SA or NSW.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Google Earth puts it right on the NSW/SA border assuming that SW is accurate at 225 degrees and that 60 km is also accurate.
About 28 km south of Cockburn and 33 km south east of Mingary.
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
A fool and his money are easily parted.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
A fool and his money are easily parted.
bingley hall
At least we agree on something. Smile
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
A very large high quality magnetite deposit (14b tonnes) has been discovered at Hawsons, 60km south west of Broken Hill.

20-50m tonnes of ore would be shipped by rail, with a new branch line at Hawsons, to Port Pirie. The ore would be transhipped to barges to be loaded on Capesize ships moored off shore in deeper water.

The mining company concerned is Carpentaria Exploration.
awsgc24
http://www.carpentariaex.com.au/project/default/view/hawsons-iron-project
"allan"


The 10 Mtpa base case assumes slurry pipeline transport of the concentrate 60km to the existing rail line to a site near Broken Hill.

No branch line in the proposal, just a slurry pipeline
Project water sufficient 90km from project

Stephens Creek Reservoir? (Broken Hill's drinking water supply reservoir)

Is this the same proposed mine that surfaced a couple of years ago that proposed a slurry pipeline from near Broken Hill to "new" port just north of Wallaroo?
  awsgc24 Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney
The existing rail line from Port Pirie to Broken Hill is said to have spare capacity of about 10MT/annum. It is noted however that there are still 5 short loops of only about 900m in this section, thus:
* Olary
* Yongala
* Jamestown
* Caltowie
* Crystal Brook (but adjacent to 20km double track section.

The other loops are 1800m long or more.

Would Balloon loops of what length be provided at Mine end and Port end?

The unloading siding at Port Pirie is proposed to be connected with the barge loader by a conveyor belt, so the balloon loop might be built inland a few km from the barge wharf.

The Crystal Brook- Broken Hill section has colour light signals, but it is not CTC, and it is not clear how the loop points are set. The are no Loop Arrival signals. AFAIK, the section is also controlled by Train Orders.

See maps: http://www.sa-trackandsignal.net/Pdf%20files/ARTC/AR404.pdf
  kipioneer Chief Commissioner

Location: Aberfoyle Park
The Port Pirie channel is pretty long - almost to Port Germein.    Barging loads out to capesize ships offshore would be a long tow indeed.

I can only assume the mining company has done its homework.

Wallaroo would be a better choice for the task - the line from Snowtown would need overhauling and there would need to be a fair bit of track relaying in Kadina and Wallaroo and a balloon loop built at Wallaroo.

The proposed port at Port Bonython would be better still.
  awsgc24 Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney
The Port Pirie channel is pretty long - almost to Port Germein.  Barging loads to capesize ships offshore would be a long tow.

Wallaroo would be a better choice for the task. Needs a balloon loop built at Wallaroo.

The proposed port at Port Bonython would be better still. It will have a balloon loop.
kipioneer

See map PP : http://www.street-directory.com.au/?x=138.10780943195678&y=-33.14658172563418&l=10

See map PB : http://www.street-directory.com.au/?x=137.7628192737641&y=-32.9391406470036&l=10

See map WO : http://www.street-directory.com.au/?x=137.66468603088913&y=-33.93063179658225&l=10
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
The Port Pirie channel is pretty long - almost to Port Germein.  Barging loads to capesize ships offshore would be a long tow.

Wallaroo would be a better choice for the task. Needs a balloon loop built at Wallaroo.

The proposed port at Port Bonython would be better still. It will have a balloon loop.

See map PP : http://www.street-directory.com.au/?x=138.10780943195678&y=-33.14658172563418&l=10

See map PB : http://www.street-directory.com.au/?x=137.7628192737641&y=-32.9391406470036&l=10

See map WO : http://www.street-directory.com.au/?x=137.66468603088913&y=-33.93063179658225&l=10
awsgc24
Google Earth satellite view gives a far better indication awsgr24, a map show nothing of the extensive mangroves and shallow waters at Port Pirie
  allan Chief Commissioner


Project water sufficient 90km from project

Stephens Creek Reservoir? (Broken Hill's drinking water supply reservoir)

Is this the same proposed mine that surfaced a couple of years ago that proposed a slurry pipeline from near Broken Hill to "new" port just north of Wallaroo?
Pressman
I fear that they mean the Darling River, but perhaps the Murray. Certainly not Stephens Creek... Oh, I could say terrible things about Stephens Creek Resevoir! When I was a kid I walked from Stephens Creek pub to the back of the concrete wall, without getting my feet muddy, let alone wet. I carried water...
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me

Project water sufficient 90km from project

Stephens Creek Reservoir? (Broken Hill's drinking water supply reservoir)

Is this the same proposed mine that surfaced a couple of years ago that proposed a slurry pipeline from near Broken Hill to "new" port just north of Wallaroo?I fear that they mean the Darling River, but perhaps the Murray. Certainly not Stephens Creek... Oh, I could say terrible things about Stephens Creek Resevoir! When I was a kid I walked from Stephens Creek pub to the back of the concrete wall, without getting my feet muddy, let alone wet. I carried water...
allan
The Darling is over 130kms away to the east, Lake Menindee a little less at 120kms  (but can that be called permanent water???)
The Murray or Lake Victoria is 170 kms to the south

I've had a beer or five at the Quondong Pub many times Smile
  kipioneer Chief Commissioner

Location: Aberfoyle Park
Those pubs just out of Broken Hill are alas no longer with us.
  awsgc24 Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney
The Port Pirie channel is pretty long - almost to Port Germein.  Barging loads to capesize ships offshore would be a long tow.

Wallaroo would be a better choice for the task. Needs a balloon loop built at Wallaroo.

The proposed port at Port Bonython would be better still. It will have a balloon loop.

See map PP : http://www.street-directory.com.au/?x=138.10780943195678&y=-33.14658172563418&l=10

See map PB : http://www.street-directory.com.au/?x=137.7628192737641&y=-32.9391406470036&l=10

See map WO : http://www.street-directory.com.au/?x=137.66468603088913&y=-33.93063179658225&l=10
Google Earth satellite view gives a far better indication a map show nothing of the extensive mangroves and shallow waters at Port Pirie
Pressman
What about google maps for Port Bonython and Wallaroo?
  awsgc24 Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney
While Google maps shows the mangrove swamps, the Street-Directory maps show the rail lines at the largest scale.

There is some logic in listing the G and S-D maps in pairs centered at the same point.


It is interesting to see if S-D-maps and G-maps use the same parameters for lat and longitude? There is also a parameter for magnification.

S-D PP : x=138.10780943195678&    y=-33.14658172563418&    l=10

G PP    : @-33.13796,                        138.02003,                  23879m/data=!3m1!1e3
  62440 Chief Commissioner

Carpenteria was one of several mining companies in the Braemar mining area and the mine lease was in NSW, I was looking at it a decade ago. The slurry project referred to above was for Razorback Ridge, see Royal Resounces. Mutoroo was another see Minotaur Resources and that did involve a long branch line partly using the Radium Hill branch. Havilah had major projects in the area for iron ore. The line capacity was looked at and then had about 10 Mtpa capacity, any more and additional loops would be required.
The Wirrida project planned iron ore through Port Pirie, the structures were designed and there were pegs in the ground. Trackwork was designed in detail using the radium branch alignment. The mining company sold the project to Arrium who railed to Whyalla and the Port Pirie project was abandoned but I understand WPG kept the rights to the development.
In general, slurry lines are good for magnetite but not suitable for haemetite but they need a lot of water and dedicated power. Rail has high upfront capital but lower long term maintenance.
All the mining companies have websites showing plan details (though names change with ownership. You can also get detailed mine lease plans which overlay on google earth.
The crash in iron ore prices killed the dozen or so major iron ore projects in SA
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
The Port Pirie channel is pretty long - almost to Port Germein.    Barging loads out to capesize ships offshore would be a long tow indeed.

I can only assume the mining company has done its homework.

Wallaroo would be a better choice for the task - the line from Snowtown would need overhauling and there would need to be a fair bit of track relaying in Kadina and Wallaroo and a balloon loop built at Wallaroo.

The proposed port at Port Bonython would be better still.
kipioneer

There is no rail I thought to PB.

Would much be required at Wallaroo?

Why would Wallaroo require a balloon loop?
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
The Port Pirie channel is pretty long - almost to Port Germein.    Barging loads out to capesize ships offshore would be a long tow indeed.

I can only assume the mining company has done its homework.

Wallaroo would be a better choice for the task - the line from Snowtown would need overhauling and there would need to be a fair bit of track relaying in Kadina and Wallaroo and a balloon loop built at Wallaroo.

The proposed port at Port Bonython would be better still.

There is no rail I thought to PB.

Would much be required at Wallaroo?

Why would Wallaroo require a balloon loop?
x31
All pie in the sky stuff.

IF Port Bonython were to be expanded then there are plans for a short branch of the Whyalla line.

IF Wallaroo did need a balloon loop the cost would be overshadowed by the amount of rehab required on what is left of the existing track and formation through to Snowtown.

I imagine Stephen Marshall would be interested Razz
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
The Port Pirie channel is pretty long - almost to Port Germein.    Barging loads out to capesize ships offshore would be a long tow indeed.

I can only assume the mining company has done its homework.

Wallaroo would be a better choice for the task - the line from Snowtown would need overhauling and there would need to be a fair bit of track relaying in Kadina and Wallaroo and a balloon loop built at Wallaroo.

The proposed port at Port Bonython would be better still.

There is no rail I thought to PB.

Would much be required at Wallaroo?

Why would Wallaroo require a balloon loop?
x31
Correct, no rail to Port Bonython, but the Whyalla line is close (22km branch required)
Also note that the jetty at Port Bonython is approx. 2 kms long (e.g. Berthing in deep water)

Previous mining proposals in respect to Wallaroo involved building a new port some 10 kilometres north of the current wharf.
Wallaroo has seen substantial housing developments in the past 10 - 15 years, with much of the old rail yards now built over.
The local Nimby's would have a field day protesting about ore trains being re-introduced through town.

Balloon Loops are seen as an efficient means to unload (and load) bulk trains. No shunting required, don't even need to uncouple locos, so no need for shunt locos or additional staff.
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
Does the port at Wallaroo see any use whatsoever?
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
Does the port at Wallaroo see any use whatsoever?
x31
Yes grain is still exported, but all road served.
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
Does the port at Wallaroo see any use whatsoever?
Yes grain is still exported, but all road served.
bingley hall

So residents would prefer a large number of truck movements through their town to a single train movement?
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
Does the port at Wallaroo see any use whatsoever?
Yes grain is still exported, but all road served.
bingley hall
Yes but berth is limited to ships under 230m length, 32m beam and 8.4m draft
Grain Loader limited to 600 tph
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
Does the port at Wallaroo see any use whatsoever?
Yes grain is still exported, but all road served.

So residents would prefer a large number of truck movements through their town to a single train movement?
x31
Stupid thing to say.

The nature of the catchment means that Wallaroo has always been largely road served. The amount delivered by rail was never big in the greater scheme of things and a fair bit of that would now go via the rail served silo at Snowtown.

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