ALP in Vic too little too late?

 
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  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
Shock polls in the herald sun today showing support for Andrews collapsing but why?

other than level crossing removals and a few old carriages he has not delivered the change we were all hoping for when it comes to public transport.  Could this be it?

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  steve195 Train Controller

Shock polls in the herald sun today showing support for Andrews collapsing but why?

other than level crossing removals and a few old carriages he has not delivered the change we were all hoping for when it comes to public transport.  Could this be it?
x31
It's the entitlement rorts.
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

.... and pushing radical social policies, subservience to left-wing unions, city-centric focus, desal money-pit, and Western distributor traffic sewer.

One thing they have mostly got right compared to the LNP is public transport (i.e Metro underground and action on Murray Basin SG), although that seems to move at a snails pace due to the huge capital investment required, layers of bureaucracy, and ongoing maintenance debacles with rolling stock and track condition etc.
  skitz Chief Commissioner

A few dot points to fuel the conversation:

  • The Dandenong Skyrail that does not include additional express tracks and fails to address run-time issues for the outer suburbs and Gippsland.
  • Has anyone mentioned the CFA and the stacking of the board to see the EBA approved and the influence of the UFU.
  • Safe schools - just unbelievable
  • Pandering to the left extreme and the greens - entirely Melbourne centric.
  • Shall we not forget the Vline users group (or what ever it was called) made up of Northern Victorians that recommended the termination of Vline trains at Pakenham.
  • Metro tunnel is good, but falls short of the true consideration of capacity to Caulfield.
  • Oh wait, Eastlink, the it where it would not cost us a cent and wasted $1.something billion to have nothing to show for it.
  • The sale of Port of Melbourne to fund all the projects but also lock out Hastings for how many years?
  • The proposed national park on the east of Melbourne that proposes to lock out the timber industry users of the state forest and current recreational users - the Heyfield Mill issue.
  • The changes in royalties for brown coal mining that saw Hazelwood close much earlier than planned
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
.... and pushing radical social policies, subservience to left-wing unions, city-centric focus, desal money-pit, and Western distributor traffic sewer.

One thing they have mostly got right compared to the LNP is public transport (i.e Metro underground and action on Murray Basin SG), although that seems to move at a snails pace due to the huge capital investment required, layers of bureaucracy, and ongoing maintenance debacles with rolling stock and track condition etc.
Carnot

The western Distributor has been discussed as being a project which will not provide the basic returns to the community required for such an undertaking.

The Melbourne Metro Tunnel is certainly something needed but sooner than later.  Are they actually now starting to plan the extensions to this project?  For example the line from Parkville/University to Clifton Hill and to Doncaster Shoppingtown?

Level Crossing removal is hopefully winning some votes but not in areas of the skyrail presumably?

Rail Freight is in crisis and V/Line are in denial over these issues

V/Line is running into major issues which are not being addressed in the short to medium term.

Missing link to Tarneit from the Newport Line.

Extra capacity on the Regional Bendigo line.

Electrification for the Geelong line (much needed)

Upgraded rail access to the Port of Melbourne.
  awsgc24 Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney
A few dot points to fuel the conversation:

  • The Dandenong Skyrail that does not include additional express tracks and fails to address run-time issues for the outer suburbs and Gippsland.
  • Has anyone mentioned the CFA and the stacking of the board to see the EBA approved and the influence of the UFU.
  • Safe schools - just unbelievable
  • Pandering to the left extreme and the greens - entirely Melbourne centric.
  • Shall we not forget the Vline users group (or what ever it was called) made up of Northern Victorians that recommended the termination of Vline trains at Pakenham.
  • Metro tunnel is good, but falls short of the true consideration of capacity to Caulfield.
  • Oh wait, Eastlink, the it where it would not cost us a cent and wasted $1.something billion to have nothing to show for it.
  • The sale of Port of Melbourne to fund all the projects but also lock out Hastings for how many years?
  • The proposed national park on the east of Melbourne that proposes to lock out the timber industry users of the state forest and current recreational users - the Heyfield Mill issue.
  • The changes in royalties for brown coal mining that saw Hazelwood close much earlier than planned
skitz
* Handcuffed Police, unable to deal with Apex gangs.
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

Handcuffed police unable to deal with Apex gangs?
awsgc24
Undoubtedly a factor.  Skyrocketing crime rates and collapsing Youth Justice system are symptoms of stretched police resources, removal of their authority, and a general breakdown in society.

And then they think it can be fixed with TV ads!  The mind boggles.....
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
* Handcuffed Police, unable to deal with Apex gangs.
"awsgc24"
When I was a kid, in the late 40's and early 50's, the gangs were called "Bodgies". They were distinguished by "gang-approved" clothing and hair style, and had gradually become a major nuisance. The police (unofficially, of course) formed two squads, each consisting of the biggest, toughest coppers they could find. They cruised around, and if they spotted a gang, there was a stop and the instruction, "Go home." Any dissent whatsoever was instantly answered with a smack in the head, and a repeat of "Go home", accompanied by a warning about what could happen if any gang members were seen out later. If the second instruction was disputed, a nice pair of bracelets would be attached, and the recipient got a free ride somewhere - maybe the Police Station, maybe not.

Yes, it was crude; yes, it was not quite within the rule book; yes, it was politically incorrect; but it was bloody effective.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
All that 'Joe the Goose' needs to do to win at the next election is to actually introduce (as distinct from just promising) mandatory sentencing for all the home invasions, car-jacking and other similar crimes that are causing people to be fearful of not only leaving their homes but of staying home too.

The present government and the judiciary have clearly demonstrated that they are either incapable of and/or uninterested in tackling these problems.

Perhaps we need a couple of judges to have their homes invaded and their government limos car-jacked. Perhaps with a crack on the head to go with it. The government and the judiciary simply do not live in the real world. They do not care about the community at large.

Had Hitler been properly sentenced for the Munich Putsch in 1923 and had he served a proper sentence WW 2 might have been avoided. Victoria is going the same way - the crooks, crims, corrupt officials and juvenile thugs  are winning the war big time at the moment.
  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: North Haverbrook; where the monorail is king!
All that 'Joe the Goose' needs to do to win at the next election is to actually introduce (as distinct from just promising) mandatory sentencing for all the home invasions, car-jacking and other similar crimes that are causing people to be fearful of not only leaving their homes but of staying home too.

The present government and the judiciary have clearly demonstrated that they are either incapable of and/or uninterested in tackling these problems.

Perhaps we need a couple of judges to have their homes invaded and their government limos car-jacked. Perhaps with a crack on the head to go with it. The government and the judiciary simply do not live in the real world. They do not care about the community at large.
YM-Mundrabilla
John Silvester outlined some solutions to these problems in his excellent column in The Age last year.

A brief excerpt:

  • Mandatory sentencing (the flawed thinking that crimes in specific categories are the same) results in fewer guilty pleas, longer court delays and increased acquittal rates.
  • The spate of home invasions and car jackings by underage offenders has resulted in a jump in juveniles remanded in custody. Those short-term inmates are not offered education and rehabilitation courses and are difficult to control - resulting in a jump in staff assaults.
  • When politicians utter hard-line cliches about ethnic gangs, voters nod with approval, but cops on the street say they act as recruiting slogans for groups such as Apex. "They tell us they feel locked out from jobs and as they are treated as criminals they may as well be criminals," one senior policeman said.
John Silvester

He also has some ideas for reforming the judicial process as well, and they aren't exactly lawyer friendly (which I'm sure most of you will approve of)

Now, as for:

Had Hitler been properly sentenced for the Munich Putsch in 1923 and had he served a proper sentence WW2 might have been avoided.
YM-Mundrabilla
Unless you think that inciting a riot is grounds for the death penalty or a life sentence, all you'd be doing is giving Adolf a few more years to work on Mein Kampf.
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
When is the next election now that I think about it?  

Is it November this year?
  True Believers Chief Commissioner

When is the next election now that I think about it?  

Is it November this year?
x31
November 2018, still got 1.5 years left.
  Toby Esterhase Station Master

That poll doesn't pass the laugh test. Yes, Andrews and Labor have been making heavy weather of it. But the idea that Guy and the Coalition have the sort of support that Kennett had against Kirner in the dying days of her government is just ludicrous. There's also something whiffy about the poll: it wasn't commissioned by the Herald-Sun, merely "obtained" by them. They still won't say who dropped it to them.
  Bogong Chief Commissioner

Location: Essendon Aerodrome circa 1980
It's interesting that a Labour backbencher (the member for the semi marginal seat of Ivanhoe), has backed the opposition leaders call for Don Nardella, the now independent member for Melton, to resign his seat in Parliament.

I guess Melton is such an ultra safe Labour seat that it is impossible for the ALP to ever lose it, even in a by-election, no matter how big the scandal. So there is no danger of the seat falling to the Libs, Greens or Nats. Conversely there is a danger of Ivanhoe falling to the Libs, so the local MP probably wants to boost his profile by being seen to be taking a moral stand.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
'Unless you think that inciting a riot is grounds for the death penalty or a life sentence, all you'd be doing is giving Adolf a few more years to work on Mein Kampf. '

It was a lot more than a riot.

But then we have riots and large brawls and guess what - 'there were no arrests'...................Crying or Very sad
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner


It was at this point in the State 4-year electoral cycle that the previous Baillieu/Napthine caretaker government started to realise it hadn’t done anything. Still predominantly the same names and faces.
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: I was here first. You're only visiting.
Shock polls in the herald sun today showing support for Andrews collapsing but why?

other than level crossing removals and a few old carriages he has not delivered the change we were all hoping for when it comes to public transport.  Could this be it?
x31
Kidding me, right?

If Andrews loses the next election it won't be because of public transport, it will be in spite of it.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
If Andrews loses the next election it won't be because of public transport, it will be in spite of it.
"DirtyBallast"
Has he improved it all that much?
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
If Andrews loses the next election it won't be because of public transport, it will be in spite of it.
Has he improved it all that much?
Valvegear
He has done nothing for anyone who does not live in Geelong.
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

I get the impression Public Transport is one of those portfolios that cops criticism from all quarters:
- Economic rationalists see it as a burden on the public purse and too 'socialist', therefore it's always the first to cop budget cutbacks and half-baked infrastructure.
- Public Transport users deal with overcrowding, delays, and unreliability therefore the sitting govt must be punished.
- Nimbys go nuts at any project near them.
- Efficient rail freight is not considered a vote winner so regional areas suffer and roads get hammered.
- Taxpayers don't get value for money with pet projects like Myki.
- And long lead times for worthwhile projects  disappoint the "I want it now" mentality.

Vic ALP might be making worthwhile improvements in some areas of PT, but there is much more they could do than give us lame excuses, pretty videos and spin.

Ie. Improve line speeds (Echuca and Warrnambool), add missing link between Wyndham Vale and Werribee, build Airport link, full duplication near Garfield, new Avon river bridge, reconnect rail access to Moulamein, Dookie and Robinvale, make port rail shuttles and more intermodal happen, and replace worn out locos. Perhaps like the previous government they'll be dozens of new projects promised just before the election?

Remember, the primary beneficiary of level crossing removals (though largely worthwhile) are road users...
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: I was here first. You're only visiting.
If Andrews loses the next election it won't be because of public transport, it will be in spite of it.
Has he improved it all that much?
Valvegear
What you will probably find is that if there is a change of government, many ribbons will be getting cut by people who do not deserve to cut them.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
What you will probably find is that if there is a change of government, many ribbons will be getting cut by people who do not deserve to cut them.
DirtyBallast

This is a great comment.  The Coalition will probably take the credit for a few level crossing removals and the arrival of the new rolling stock.
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville

and replace worn out locos.
Carnot

Surely in this day and age that is solely the responsibility of the private sector (maybe you put it in there for a stir?)

The only people that have a problem with worn out locos are the people on RP who have no foot in the real world.

Wait a minute, wait a minute I can hear it coming......................Why don't the Victorian government buy a fleet of locos and then hire them out to the operators that need them?

Sounds like a sure fire vote winner to me Laughing
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: I was here first. You're only visiting.
What you will probably find is that if there is a change of government, many ribbons will be getting cut by people who do not deserve to cut them.

This is a great comment.  The Coalition will probably take the credit for a few level crossing removals and the arrival of the new rolling stock.
bevans
And Rosanna duplication, Southland station, Mernda extension, Melton duplication.
  Mr. Lane Chief Commissioner

I don't know how people can say Andrews isn't delivering on infrastructure...there hasn't been this much activity since the city loop. The metro getting built is enough of a reason for pro-rail people to vote for him. I didn't vote in the last election, I will be voting for the ALP next year.

I predict that the ALP will follow their previous run under Bracks and increase their lead at their second election and possibly give them enough buffer for a third. The Libs also have major internal problems in Victoria (like the ALP does in NSW). Unless they deal with the right wing nut jobs and these new young extreme Christians from the country areas coming through the ranks, they wont appeal to most Victorians.

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