Libs rail against poor train services

 

News article: Libs rail against poor train services

A group of local politicians have banded together to call on the state and federal governments to put more into Geelong's under-performing passenger rail services.

  Rossco T Train Controller

Location: Camberwell, Victoria

The group is accusing the Victorian Labor government of failing to deliver a business case or feasibility study for the duplication of the line from Geelong to Warrnambool despite receiving $1 million from the Federal government.
Liberal Politicians

Duplication from Geelong to Warrnambool?  That was $1 million well spent!

I'm hoping they mean duplication from Geelong to Waurn Ponds.

Ross

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  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
We publish news from all sources here even the libs but I do find it interesting this liberal party rally for better services for Geelong commuters comes from the same people who pulled $200+m out of the RRL budget to fund a road no one really wanted.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line

The group is accusing the Victorian Labor government of failing to deliver a business case or feasibility study for the duplication of the line from Geelong to Warrnambool despite receiving $1 million from the Federal government.

Duplication from Geelong to Warrnambool?  That was $1 million well spent!

I'm hoping they mean duplication from Geelong to Waurn Ponds.

Ross
Rossco T

Ahhh...Waurn Ponds....Warrnambool...they both start with 'W' Exclamation
  Valvegear The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Norda Fittazroy
I do hope that the wording of the thread's title is deliberate.
  mejhammers1 Assistant Commissioner

We publish news from all sources here even the libs but I do find it interesting this liberal party rally for better services for Geelong commuters comes from the same people who pulled $200+m out of the RRL budget to fund a road no one really wanted.
bevans
Now you understand. Hear hear. Kite flying at its finest from a party who is about to lose the next Federal Election.

Michael
  9034 Train Controller

From the Website http://www.fightingforbetterrail.com.au/


The Warrnambool - Geelong - Melbourne rail line needs fixing urgently.
Trains to and from Melbourne are overcrowded and unreliable. We need more daily services for Warrnambool and Colac and express peak hour trains between Geelong and Melbourne.
That's why your State and Federal Liberal MPs are fighting for more money for our rail services.
Despite $1m from the Turnbull Government to plan the rail duplication between South Geelong and Waurn Ponds, we have seen no action from State Labor on this project.
While the State is responsible for passenger rail, dedicated Commonwealth funding would help the state plan and fund vital rail upgrades.
That’s why we need your voice, your friends and family to support our petition for better passenger rail.
Sign up now and show your support!
Sarah Henderson MP
Federal Member for Corangamite
The Hon Dan Tehan MP
Federal Member for Wannon
Richard Riordan MP
Member for Polwarth
Roma Britnell MP
Member for South-West Coast
Andrew Katos MP
Member for South Barwon
Simon Ramsay MP
Member for Western Victoria

sounds reasonable.

9034
  mejhammers1 Assistant Commissioner

From the Website http://www.fightingforbetterrail.com.au/


The Warrnambool - Geelong - Melbourne rail line needs fixing urgently.
Trains to and from Melbourne are overcrowded and unreliable. We need more daily services for Warrnambool and Colac and express peak hour trains between Geelong and Melbourne.
That's why your State and Federal Liberal MPs are fighting for more money for our rail services.
Despite $1m from the Turnbull Government to plan the rail duplication between South Geelong and Waurn Ponds, we have seen no action from State Labor on this project.
While the State is responsible for passenger rail, dedicated Commonwealth funding would help the state plan and fund vital rail upgrades.
That’s why we need your voice, your friends and family to support our petition for better passenger rail.
Sign up now and show your support!
Sarah Henderson MP
Federal Member for Corangamite
The Hon Dan Tehan MP
Federal Member for Wannon
Richard Riordan MP
Member for Polwarth
Roma Britnell MP
Member for South-West Coast
Andrew Katos MP
Member for South Barwon
Simon Ramsay MP
Member for Western Victoria

sounds reasonable.

9034
9034
Nope, nothing but kite flying. Yes because there is an election round the corner.

Just remember what the Coalition did to rail services. Removed $350 Million from the RRL and re-directed it to a stupid bypass in the Beaufort area. Cut $100 Million from the v/Line maintenance budget, problems that we are experiencing now on the RRL can be attributed to the blatant penny pinching of the Coalition Govt. The ALP is far from perfect. I can understand the angst felt by Albury passengers when only $15 Million is allocated to Albury services whilst spending $13.7 Million on a tram. But they are doing far more than the Coalition. Jacinta Allan is right, that petition is worth jack. Especially when you consider the biggest PT project initiated under the Coalition excluding level crossings, is the Domain Interchange.

Michael
  gordon_s1942 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Central Tablelands of NSW
Isnt it fantastic that the Political Party NOT in power rips into the party IN power and promises to do wonders and work miracles regarding Public Transport if only you elect them into office...............and the worst is we believe them and elect them only for 'THEM' to find every excuse known NOT to do as they promised.......................!!!!!!
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Isnt it fantastic that the Political Party NOT in power rips into the party IN power and promises to do wonders and work miracles regarding Public Transport if only you elect them into office...............and the worst is we believe them and elect them only for 'THEM' to find every excuse known NOT to do as they promised.......................!!!!!!
gordon_s1942

Calling on Mr Edmund Carew...are you taking note of this Question
  Bogong Chief Commissioner

Location: Michigan J. Frog
Please try and be objective folks. I think we'd all concede that BOTH TEAMS would like to improve country rail services. By all means advocate the policies of the side you support, but intelligent and polite discussion isn't helped by slagging off the kids who hang around on the other side of the playground to cool kids like you.

If you just want to slag of the Libs and Nats, there is a special long running "I hate Malcolm Turnbull even more than you do" thread, where you will feel quite at home.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Please try and be objective folks. I think we'd all concede that BOTH TEAMS would like to improve country rail services. By all means advocate the policies of the side you support, but intelligent and polite discussion isn't helped by slagging off the kids who hang around on the other side of the playground to cool kids like you.

If you just want to slag of the Libs and Nats, there is a special long running "I hate Malcolm Turnbull even more than you do" thread, where you will feel quite at home.
Bogong

As this thread was created regarding the Liberal Party's concerns about public transport, it would do well for that side of the political spectrum to be aware that the former Baillieu/Napthine government lost office in part due to dropping the ball on PT, where no trains were ordered for V/Line for over 2 years whilst V/Line was enjoying very strong growth in patronage which leaves the current overcrowding issues seeming insignificant by comparison. Overcrowding was endemic on ALL RFR lines at that time.

Moreover, due to increasing the frequency of services through Deer Park and the Geelong line, there has been created a very bad bottleneck because the former government very unwisely and with little thought to the consequences re-directed that Melbourne bound rail flyover money to the Western Highway.

Further still, it's well known that V/Line had to pay an efficiency dividend to the former state government, despite a buoyant state budget surplus.

Therefore, I have no hesitation in calling on Mr Carew, who has the ear of the Shadow Minister for Public Transport and as a railfan who reads these pages to be aware and for the Shadow cabinet to be aware to reign in the bean counters on that side of the political spectrum if they wish to be taken seriously at the 2018 election.

Conversely, the Brumby government lost the 2010 state election on much the same issue...not enough investment in PT...despite the spin, and people were fed up with late, cancelled and infrequent services, particularly on the Frankston line and that's where the former government won office from economist/bean counter and his own worst enemy...John Brumby.

Mike.
  James974 Assistant Commissioner


The group is accusing the Victorian Labor government of failing to deliver a business case or feasibility study for the duplication of the line from Geelong to Warrnambool despite receiving $1 million from the Federal government.

Duplication from Geelong to Warrnambool?  That was $1 million well spent!

I'm hoping they mean duplication from Geelong to Waurn Ponds.

Ross
Rossco T
Yes they accuse Labor failing to deliver a business case for feasibility study but they already put funding planning for it. Means all well they are not against it. Just be patient Liberals, they'll announce it good time, just like the Ballarat rail upgrade. At least Labor had the initiative to start Melbourne Metro project, wonder if they put any funding into that. What they did is said to put money replanning the project, then waste money into the station that would have a bad cost vs benefit ratio using money from the port sale which they owed via an agreement made through asset recycling and then Labor had enough of the excuses and fund the whole project themselves. Let's hope what they say they will do and not make promises they can't keep like this political airport rail line (don't believe them one second)
  Bogong Chief Commissioner

Location: Michigan J. Frog
... What they did is said to put money replanning the project, then put money into the station in a Liberal seat (south Yarra) using money from the port sale which they owed via an agreement made through asset recycling...
James974
Ermm, The inner suburb of South Yarra is in the state seat of Prahran. Like other prosperous inner city areas, Prahran is held by the Green Party, not the Liberal Party.
  James974 Assistant Commissioner

... What they did is said to put money replanning the project, then put money into the station in a Liberal seat (south Yarra) using money from the port sale which they owed via an agreement made through asset recycling...
Ermm, The inner suburb of South Yarra is in the state seat of Prahran. Like other prosperous inner city areas, Prahran is held by the Green Party, not the Liberal Party.
Bogong
Oops my bad. Let me change that. Well it did have a bad cost vs benefit ratio. Due to the amount of aquisitions for a direct connection unlikely to happen soon. Although provision has been made whether it is needed later on.
  mejhammers1 Assistant Commissioner

Please try and be objective folks. I think we'd all concede that BOTH TEAMS would like to improve country rail services. By all means advocate the policies of the side you support, but intelligent and polite discussion isn't helped by slagging off the kids who hang around on the other side of the playground to cool kids like you.

If you just want to slag of the Libs and Nats, there is a special long running "I hate Malcolm Turnbull even more than you do" thread, where you will feel quite at home.
Bogong
Seriously Bogong cram it. Taking lectures from you about impartiality and being objective is laughable, no matter how much you use your patronizing analogies. When posters are criticizing Jacinta Allan, not a peep out of you but every time someone criticizes your beloved coalition you are asking them to be objective. Praising the Coalition for talking about fixing up Albury services and talking about building the Airport line, whilst keeping quiet about the biggest spend on PT this state has ever seen. Not done perfectly I might add, and the deal that they want to do with Transurban is very worrying to say the least but the ALP's effort as regards to PT is a damn sight more than what the Coalition has done. Which quite frankly struggles to meet sweet f.a. You can be rest assured that if the ALP had achieved what the Coalition had done (absolute Jack) then they will be getting all the criticism that they deserve. Who on earth can believe a party who has ripped close to $500 million from Country rail services that they are in any way serious?

Michael
  Bogong Chief Commissioner

Location: Michigan J. Frog
I'm not sure why I'm replying, but perhaps it's because I want to clarify things with people I respect but often differ from like Mike and Mej.

Personally, I'm a "Centrist". That means that the Labour "Right" faction and Liberal "Moderate" grouping are closest to my thoughts. Philosophically I'm opposed to what I see as extreme Libertarian or Socialist approaches that come from parts of the big political parties and especially from lesser parties like Family First, One Nation and The Greens.

In short, to me politics is no longer Labour v. Liberal, but instead mainstream centrists v. radical populists. You can already see this with the left of the ALP drifting off and joining the Greens and the right of the Coalition like Cory Bernadi and Bob Katter breaking away as well. Increasingly mainstream Labour and Liberal have more in common with each other than they do with the populist political parties.

I reckon that politics is increasingly heading towards a division between the sensible centrists and the more populist and extreme groups who reckon they have all the answers, but don't. So in an American election context, I see the policies of Trump and Bernie Sanders as equally dangerous and would have reluctantly supported the (unlikeable) Hilary, if only because she wouldn't have wrecked the economy.

I also like to see polite and balanced debates without unfair insults. So sometimes I will support a person or cause if they have moderate views and appear to be picked on unfairly.
  doyle Junior Train Controller

That's fanciful Bogong........ And yet you still refuse to spell Labor correctly
  Bogong Chief Commissioner

Location: Michigan J. Frog
... And yet you still refuse to spell Labor correctly
doyle
It's a hangover from my experience with my grade 2 teacher Miss Shaw. I almost topped the class in spelling, but because I spelt words like that in the American style, I came second.

To this day I avoid short cuts, use punctuation (even when texting) and always try to spell words correctly. So if the Libs tried to get all 'gangsta' or trendy and changed the spelling of their name to Libral or Libarel, I would persist in spelling their name the traditional way too.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
That's fanciful Bogong........ And yet you still refuse to spell Labor correctly
doyle

FYI....Apparently before 1912, Labor was spelt as Australian Labour Party.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_Labor_Party

The Party was also formed at The Tree of Knowledge, Barcaldine Queensland, right in front of Barcaldine station.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tree_of_Knowledge_(Australia)

Which I highly recommend for a visit, because the best way of getting there is by the overnight Spirit of the Outback train from Brisbane...a journey to part of Australia that should be on ALL railfans bucket list.

Mike.

PS...how do you spell 'Parlor' Car...from the Spirit of Progress...English or American, even though the American spelling is used.
  mejhammers1 Assistant Commissioner

I'm not sure why I'm replying, but perhaps it's because I want to clarify things with people I respect but often differ from like Mike and Mej.

Personally, I'm a "Centrist". That means that the Labour "Right" faction and Liberal "Moderate" grouping are closest to my thoughts. Philosophically I'm opposed to what I see as extreme Libertarian or Socialist approaches that come from parts of the big political parties and especially from lesser parties like Family First, One Nation and The Greens.

In short, to me politics is no longer Labour v. Liberal, but instead mainstream centrists v. radical populists. You can already see this with the left of the ALP drifting off and joining the Greens and the right of the Coalition like Cory Bernadi and Bob Katter breaking away as well. Increasingly mainstream Labour and Liberal have more in common with each other than they do with the populist political parties.

I reckon that politics is increasingly heading towards a division between the sensible centrists and the more populist and extreme groups who reckon they have all the answers, but don't. So in an American election context, I see the policies of Trump and Bernie Sanders as equally dangerous and would have reluctantly supported the (unlikeable) Hilary, if only because she wouldn't have wrecked the economy.

I also like to see polite and balanced debates without unfair insults. So sometimes I will support a person or cause if they have moderate views and appear to be picked on unfairly.
Bogong
What are you talking about. I am a centrist too. Forget about policies regarding Health, National Security, etc, etc, that's for another thread. I am talking about the provision of Public and especially Rail Transport in this state which has been neglected by the ALP and the Coalition for decades. The undeniable fact is that the Coalition in Victoria has done jack, nada nothing and I and others have posted evidence of this and you choose to ignore this whilst having sly digs at Premier Andrews Government for canning the Airport Line, of which to my mind the Coalition was never serious about. So they deserve criticism as would any party that had done nothing for rail like the Coalition have. Yes Bogong sweet f.a. Yes we know that Andrews is very left of centre and some of his policies are on the nose and I am no supporter of his, but we are talking about rail provision in this state and his Government is delivering and the Coalition did not, period.

Michael
  Groundrelay Assistant Commissioner

Location: Surrounded by Trolls!
I'm not sure why I'm replying, but perhaps it's because I want to clarify things with people I respect but often differ from like Mike and Mej.

Personally, I'm a "Centrist". ...
Bogong
Oh brother!
Reckon you fell off that fence a long time ago.

As for those "latte sipping lefties" Laughing
  doyle Junior Train Controller

This maybe so Vinelander the fact remains Labor is Labor
And no amount of flawed reasoning from Bogong will change the fact that Labor is Labor so he refuses to spell correctly
  BrentonGolding Deputy Commissioner

Location: Castlemaine when I'm workin', Maldon when I'm Trainin'
The undeniable fact is that the Coalition in Victoria has done jack, nada nothing and I and others have posted evidence of this

Michael
mejhammers1
Not quite true, the Murray Basin Rail Project was a Ballieu Government initiative as was the establishment of the PTV and PSOs IIRC (not that I am a fan of PSOs). Depending on who you are listening to at the time there were a few other bits and pieces that were worthwhile but overall more harm than good by some way.

BG
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

The undeniable fact is that the Coalition in Victoria has done jack, nada nothing and I and others have posted evidence of this

Michael
Not quite true, the Murray Basin Rail Project was a Ballieu Government initiative as was the establishment of the PTV and PSOs IIRC (not that I am a fan of PSOs). Depending on who you are listening to at the time there were a few other bits and pieces that were worthwhile but overall more harm than good by some way.

BG
BrentonGolding
Re-opening and fixing up the Toolamba and Rainbow lines were positives when the LNP were in power.  A shame they didn't act on a few other closed lines when they should've (i.e. Dookie, Inglewood, Moulamein, and Robinvale).
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Re-opening and fixing up the Toolamba and Rainbow lines were positives when the LNP were in power.  A shame they didn't act on a few other closed lines when they should've (i.e. Dookie, Inglewood, Moulamein, and Robinvale).
Carnot

I am at a loss to understand how Dookie is still closed when you look at the volumes and the repeated requests from Graincorp for access.

Why were Victrack allowed to tear the junction to Dookie out?

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