Viaduct over Sturt Highway near Narrandera

 
  beanzs27 Assistant Commissioner

Looking at the viaduct heights either side of the Sturt highway, I'm wondering what the clearance for vehicles was when the railway line to Tocumwal went across the Sturt highway?
When was it removed?
And does any have any photos of it

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  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
Looking at the viaduct heights either side of the Sturt highway, I'm wondering what the clearance for vehicles was when the railway line to Tocumwal went across the Sturt highway?
When was it removed?
And does any have any photos of it
beanzs27
I travel that part of the Sturt Hwy a few times a year (for the last 25 odd years), It was removed a long time ago, I can't remember exactly when.
As to clearance, it was too low for almost any form of truck and I can remember some caravans had take to detour. So I'd assume the clearance was under 10 foot (Thinking about it 2.8m rings a bell)

The detour was approximately 5 kms (via a level crossing to the south alongside the Newell Hwy.)

The viaduct is still there, only the span over the hwy was removed and it has been placed on the adjacent viaduct
Google street view gives an excellent rendition of the remaining parts of the viaduct
  mikesyd Chief Commissioner

Location: Lurking
The Google Car (with its attached headgear) would have been lucky to have cleared the span from what the Street View photos show. I suspect that the road was lower (perhaps a dip) than it is at present.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

Does the remnants have any heritage listing I wonder? It looks like an amazing timber trestle structure.
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
Does the remnants have any heritage listing I wonder? It looks like an amazing timber trestle structure.
simstrain
Doubtful that it would, hundreds of that style timber trestle would have been built in the early years.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Google street view gives an excellent rendition of the remaining parts of the viaduct
"Pressman"
There's always someone on Railpage who can come up with some interesting information and this time it's Pressman. . . well done and thank you.
You're right of course, Google Street View is very good and shows a lot of the structure. Imagine the work when it was built - no electric power tools in those days.
It looks so low now that I doubt that a six-footer wearing a top hat could have passed underneath without taking his hat off first!
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
The Google Car (with its attached headgear) would have been lucky to have cleared the span from what the Street View photos show. I suspect that the road was lower (perhaps a dip) than it is at present.
mikesyd
It looks so low now that I doubt that a six-footer wearing a top hat could have passed underneath without taking his hat off first!
Valvegear


If memory serves me correctly there was a slight dip, but it would have been no more than 200 or 300mm.
The area was rather flood prone

mikesyd, the google camera would have not cleared the span at all!
  NSWRcars Assistant Commissioner

Does the remnants have any heritage listing I wonder? It looks like an amazing timber trestle structure.
Doubtful that it would, hundreds of that style timber trestle would have been built in the early years.
Pressman
Except that it is a Whitton era ballast-top timber bridge, of which there are now few surviving in NSW.
  M636C Minister for Railways

I think the bridge was still complete in the mid 1980s when I started driving to Adelaide that way.
I think it may have lasted until the 1990s at least.

Peter
  Toddy Train Controller

The line was still open until 1988. The bridge was removed in the late 90's early 2000's.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

Does the remnants have any heritage listing I wonder? It looks like an amazing timber trestle structure.
Doubtful that it would, hundreds of that style timber trestle would have been built in the early years.
Pressman

That maybe the case but how many are actually left? More specifically how many are left in NSW that are still standing in what seems like decent (non operational) condition like this?
  GrahamH Chief Commissioner
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Does the remnants have any heritage listing I wonder? It looks like an amazing timber trestle structure.
Doubtful that it would, hundreds of that style timber trestle would have been built in the early years.

That maybe the case but how many are actually left? More specifically how many are left in NSW that are still standing in what seems like decent (non operational) condition like this?
simstrain
Preserving a timber structure is pointless unless you have the funds to maintain it.
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
Does the remnants have any heritage listing I wonder? It looks like an amazing timber trestle structure.
Doubtful that it would, hundreds of that style timber trestle would have been built in the early years.

That maybe the case but how many are actually left? More specifically how many are left in NSW that are still standing in what seems like decent (non operational) condition like this?
simstrain

I wouldn't call the condition decent.  Its pretty well done for and would need a lot of work to preserve it...
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

So lets say the government or a private company wanted to build a new bridge and rail system along the old alignment. There is no impedance in doing so? This structure could be demolished without any issues?
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
So lets say the government or a private company wanted to build a new bridge and rail system along the old alignment. There is no impedance in doing so? This structure could be demolished without any issues?
simstrain

A quick search of the NSW Heritage Register shows that the bridge is covered by heritage protection, but the viaduct is not

http://www.environment.nsw.gov.au/heritageapp/ViewHeritageItemDetails.aspx?id=5045713
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

So lets say the government or a private company wanted to build a new bridge and rail system along the old alignment. There is no impedance in doing so? This structure could be demolished without any issues?

A quick search of the NSW Heritage Register shows that the bridge is covered by heritage protection, but the viaduct is not

http://www.environment.nsw.gov.au/heritageapp/ViewHeritageItemDetails.aspx?id=5045713
james.au

That is weird considering that the bridge is no longer there and the viaduct is.
  mikesyd Chief Commissioner

Location: Lurking
So lets say the government or a private company wanted to build a new bridge and rail system along the old alignment. There is no impedance in doing so? This structure could be demolished without any issues?

A quick search of the NSW Heritage Register shows that the bridge is covered by heritage protection, but the viaduct is not

http://www.environment.nsw.gov.au/heritageapp/ViewHeritageItemDetails.aspx?id=5045713

That is weird considering that the bridge is no longer there and the viaduct is.
simstrain
The bridge in question is the one over the Murrumbidgee River about 500m North of the removed viaduct spans - it is still there.
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
So lets say the government or a private company wanted to build a new bridge and rail system along the old alignment. There is no impedance in doing so? This structure could be demolished without any issues?

A quick search of the NSW Heritage Register shows that the bridge is covered by heritage protection, but the viaduct is not

http://www.environment.nsw.gov.au/heritageapp/ViewHeritageItemDetails.aspx?id=5045713

That is weird considering that the bridge is no longer there and the viaduct is.
simstrain

The bridge is very much there.  Im referring to the river bridge though, unless you mean the road 'bridge' which really was just part of the viaduct where the road went under it.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

I'm referring to the road bridge
  mikesyd Chief Commissioner

Location: Lurking
In the event that someone wanted to re-open the line it would probably be much less hassle (and probably cost less) for them to build from scratch parallel to the present alignment. The viaduct (as distinct from the River Bridge) may not have any official protection, but you can assume that numerous groups would suddenly surface if it became known that the viaduct was to be demolished. From memory, I think there is another viaduct of about the same length north of the river as well as another smaller bridge across the Irrigation Canal.
  NSWRcars Assistant Commissioner

So lets say the government or a private company wanted to build a new bridge and rail system along the old alignment. There is no impedance in doing so? This structure could be demolished without any issues?
simstrain
Any such project would be subject to the usual conditions, and would of necessity include Environmental reports that would identify any structures of heritage significance. For example, a proposal of a few years ago to re-open Kandos-Gulgong for coal traffic identified significant timber bridges that would need to be preserved, bypassed, or otherwise dealt with (including Whitton ballast-top bridges of the type used on the approaches at Narrandera).
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
The viaduct looks visually similar to the Gundagai one, so Id be thinking that you could heritage list and protect the Gundagai one and remove this one.  Id also think that this one could make way to an on ground solution with drainage channels.  Note that the viaduct predates the Snowy Scheme which has markedly reduced the flood instance on the Murrumbidgee and so floods are not the issue they used to be.
  NSWRcars Assistant Commissioner

The viaduct looks visually similar to the Gundagai one, so Id be thinking that you could heritage list and protect the Gundagai one and remove this one.
james.au

The Gundagai bridge is NOT representative of Whitton era bridges (it’s a later design with different spans and deck) but there are others that might be more appropriate to preserve.

A Whitton ballast top bridge at Michelago recently got a stay of execution:

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/michelago-residents-win-temporary-stay-on-landmark-bridges-demolition-20161208-gt6nn9.html
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
The viaduct looks visually similar to the Gundagai one, so Id be thinking that you could heritage list and protect the Gundagai one and remove this one.

The Gundagai bridge is NOT representative of Whitton era bridges (it’s a later design with different spans and deck) but there are others that might be more appropriate to preserve.

A Whitton ballast top bridge at Michelago recently got a stay of execution:

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/michelago-residents-win-temporary-stay-on-landmark-bridges-demolition-20161208-gt6nn9.html
NSWRcars

Thanks for the information.

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