The Andrews Government cannot manage the current rail system

 

News article: The Andrews Government cannot manage the current rail system

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  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
The prudent point raised this time is the prioritisation of Armstrong Creek over even Clyde and Leongatha who are also suffering from massive growth, especially Clyde where the track already exists.

The Andrews Government cannot manage the current rail system

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  jdekorte Deputy Commissioner

Location: Near Caulfield Station
The prudent point raised this time is the prioritisation of Armstrong Creek over even Clyde and Leongatha who are also suffering from massive growth, especially Clyde where the track already exists.

The Andrews Government cannot manage the current rail system
x31
I think you should clarify that statement a bit. Yes the track might exist in some of those locations but it's really more of a track reservation rather than actual track.

As for the letter, nice to have a passionate rail fan write a letter and for Railpage to pick it up but I don't see that this person has gained any credibility for the emotive language and for misspelling "Torquay". My own opinion is that this person has not completely grasped the realities of some of the rail infrastructure projects.  Yes we probably do need rail to some areas. No, we don't need all of them especially if the demand is not there in the first place like the Geelong - Bendigo link. From reading the letter it really sounds like this person is just wanting to have a bash at the ALP government for the sake of having a bash - while neglecting to reflect on the fact that it was under Kennett that most of these lines closed in the first place. The government can only do so much in reversing past mistakes.
  True Believers Chief Commissioner

The prudent point raised this time is the prioritisation of Armstrong Creek over even Clyde and Leongatha who are also suffering from massive growth, especially Clyde where the track already exists.

The Andrews Government cannot manage the current rail system
I think you should clarify that statement a bit. Yes the track might exist in some of those locations but it's really more of a track reservation rather than actual track.

As for the letter, nice to have a passionate rail fan write a letter and for Railpage to pick it up but I don't see that this person has gained any credibility for the emotive language and for misspelling "Torquay". My own opinion is that this person has not completely grasped the realities of some of the rail infrastructure projects.  Yes we probably do need rail to some areas. No, we don't need all of them especially if the demand is not there in the first place like the Geelong - Bendigo link. From reading the letter it really sounds like this person is just wanting to have a bash at the ALP government for the sake of having a bash - while neglecting to reflect on the fact that it was under Kennett that most of these lines closed in the first place. The government can only do so much in reversing past mistakes.
jdekorte
Agreed, there are good investment across the network, but yes more needs to be done, especially for bus services. Priority lighting and dedicated lanes for transit are essential and cheap ways to improve our existing infrastructure. Cranbourne extension to Clyde should have some planning started soon. And much more train services and tram service across the whole network, not just a few lines or one line. Major network changes are expected since 3 years of neglect in timetabling changes. The current budget was more of a bunch more road project, little upgrades to services, a few planning studies and regional rail which is not funded directly by the state. But at least it put some money into PT and has started major construction of major rail projects. It is a good start but more investments needed for the PT network and move away investments into major road projects.
  Lad_Porter Chief Commissioner

Location: Yarra Glen
It's just an anti-Andrews slag, possibly written by the same person who wrote about freight on the Dandenong line.  He/she should study economics - "the allocation of limited resources among varied and competing ends".  The Government, of either persuasion, has a lot more to do than just run a rail system.
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
Just another slap to the Government because somebody has seen funding go to someone other than them.

I read through the replies on twitter to the offical announcement from Daniel Andrews on Sunday, all it was full of was:
"Where is the train to Doncaster?"
"Why don't you build a train line to the airport"
"Where's the train to Rowville that was promised years ago"
"Why can't Mildura have a train"
"Can Wonthaggi be next to get a train?"

and so it went, on and on, people whinging that somebody else gets it and they don't.

On a seperate note, why has this been published? Who is the Author? Who is the source? Why has this drivel full of spelling and grammatical errors been given oxygen?

Just as bad as that bulltish (let's not gild the lily here, they where nothing but lies) about Skyrail banning freighters.
  501M Train Controller

Location: The Borough
Where is Torque?
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Where is Torque?
501M
In a mechanical drive train !
  gippslander Chief Commissioner

Location: Central Gippsland, Vic
The prudent point raised this time is the prioritisation of Armstrong Creek over even Clyde and Leongatha who are also suffering from massive growth, especially Clyde where the track already exists.

The Andrews Government cannot manage the current rail system
x31
Leongatha is suffering massive growth? You obviously havent been there for a while.
Don't forget that the Bracks Government offered to return the Leongatha pass, but the local Council and community was totally half hearted about rail, so it was mothballed.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
The prudent point raised this time is the prioritisation of Armstrong Creek over even Clyde and Leongatha who are also suffering from massive growth, especially Clyde where the track already exists.

The Andrews Government cannot manage the current rail system

Don't forget that the Bracks Government offered to return the Leongatha pass, but the local Council and community was totally half hearted about rail, so it was mothballed.
gippslander
That's not correct !

Susan Davis (former member of the former seat of West Gippsland) was one of the 3 Independents holding the balance of power ! was the one pushing the return the Leongatha passenger service.

The seat of West Gippsland was dissolved/replaced by a change In electoral boundaries IN 2002, where the well known railway hater Ken Smith and Mr. do nothing Peter Ryan took over what was West Gippsland.

From that date the plan was put on the backburner, largely because the Leongatha line ran through safe seats (no Incentive for any Government to spend money there)
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
The prudent point raised this time is the prioritisation of Armstrong Creek over even Clyde and Leongatha who are also suffering from massive growth, especially Clyde where the track already exists.

The Andrews Government cannot manage the current rail system

Don't forget that the Bracks Government offered to return the Leongatha pass, but the local Council and community was totally half hearted about rail, so it was mothballed.
That's not correct !

Susan Davis (former member of the former seat of West Gippsland) was one of the 3 Independents holding the balance of power ! was the one pushing the return the Leongatha passenger service.

The seat of West Gippsland was dissolved/replaced by a change In electoral boundaries IN 2002, where the well known railway hater Ken Smith and Mr. do nothing Peter Ryan took over what was West Gippsland.

From that date the plan was put on the backburner, largely because the Leongatha line ran through safe seats (no Incentive for any Government to spend money there)
Nightfire

Also not correct...in part.

Susan Davies was definitely one of the three Independents who supported the election of the Bracks government in 1999...that's not in question.

After the 2003 election the Bracks government was returned in a landslide and undertook an extensive review of the Leongatha line, also the Mildura line...but I digress.

After much community consultation of the two options regards public transport to Leongatha, (bus or train) the locals preferred the bus alternative because it was faster and the bus alternative offered a more frequent service...the rest as they say in the Classics is history.

Mike.
  Hendo Deputy Commissioner

Further to Gman_86's post, where is the attribution/referencing for the so called "letter to the editor" about this spending? Or was it written up by a Railpage gunzel and posted straight to the page? And therefore not news.

Railpage continually fails in this area, if it is not attributed and it is from another site, it is stolen and not fair use. Furthermore, if this has been taken from another site/source without proper attribution it is PLAGIARISM and reduces the trustworthiness of Railpage for serious research and news. Surely during the news article posting process, the administrators can make source attribution and the link mandatory, for all news copied and pasted to Railpage.


Cheers,
Hendo
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
I agree that there should be no Letters to the Editor published which do not carry the name of the Author or the source of any article cited / copied.

Yes, w e have freedom of speech in Australia, it is a hard one privilege and not one that we should allow to be abused. If something is important enough to warrant you putting pen to paper (or fingers to keyboard) it is important enough for you to put your name to it.

BG
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Further to Gman_86's post, where is the attribution/referencing for the so called "letter to the editor" about this spending? Or was it written up by a Railpage gunzel and posted straight to the page? And therefore not news.

Railpage continually fails in this area, if it is not attributed and it is from another site, it is stolen and not fair use. Furthermore, if this has been taken from another site/source without proper attribution it is PLAGIARISM and reduces the trustworthiness of Railpage for serious research and news. Surely during the news article posting process, the administrators can make source attribution and the link mandatory, for all news copied and pasted to Railpage.


Cheers,
Hendo
Hendo

@Hendo the author of the press release is Duncan Ramsay of RRA.
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville

@Hendo the author of the press release is Duncan Ramsay of RRA.
bevans
There seems to be pattern emerging.

There's lobbying and then there's being a dick.

Mr Ramsay seems to be aiming for the latter.

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