Truck smashed boom gates at spotswood

 
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
mJor delays on Werribee line and Williamstown line as boom Hayes damaged.

Cancellations happening.

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  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Now nontrains between Footscray and Newport replaced by buses. Why not get some flagmen down there at the crossing.
  Madjikthise Assistant Commissioner

I believe there is nothing in the rules & regs about being able to drive past boom gates which are not operating (or damaged/broken). It simply states that you can only proceed when the boom gates are shut. No provision for anything else (flagmen etc).
  theanimal Chief Commissioner

Now nontrains between Footscray and Newport replaced by buses. Why not get some flagmen down there at the crossing.
freightgate
I do not know the set up at Spotswood, but many level crossings are interlocked with the signalling system, so that if the gates are not registered as down, then the signals will not clear, thus requiring the issuance of written authorities to pass the affected signals. If there are points at the location, there may even be a need to clip the points (speaking NSW now) so not as easy as just a few flagman
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
mJor delays on Werribee line and Williamstown line as boom Hayes damaged.

Cancellations happening.
freightgate

Yet another 5 minute wonder that belongs here...

https://www.railpage.com.au/f-t11354047.htm
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
It has been a horror 3 days for metro with the signal failures at huntingdale, issues on the hurstbridge line and yesterday it seems on the Werribee and Williamstown lines.  Imagine if V/Line were still running everything that way would have been a bigger mess.

Why can't level crossings where protection has been damaged be manually maintained until the fitters have repaired the crossing operation?
  KRviator Moderator

Location: Up the front
Now nontrains between Footscray and Newport replaced by buses. Why not get some flagmen down there at the crossing.
freightgate
Because to do so requires a temporary road closure, which in turn requires a permit from Main Roads. You can only flag trains through a crossing if the crossing itself is failed & the boomgates are down, ie, you're not stopping road traffic, you're giving the OK to rail traffic. If you intend using flagman, you need to isolate the crossing, have the necessary roadwork ahead signs out, and have qualified traffic controllers in place. It is nowhere near as simple as you make out.
  historian Deputy Commissioner

Now nontrains between Footscray and Newport replaced by buses. Why not get some flagmen down there at the crossing.
Because to do so requires a temporary road closure, which in turn requires a permit from Main Roads. You can only flag trains through a crossing if the crossing itself is failed & the boomgates are down, ie, you're not stopping road traffic, you're giving the OK to rail traffic. If you intend using flagman, you need to isolate the crossing, have the necessary roadwork ahead signs out, and have qualified traffic controllers in place. It is nowhere near as simple as you make out.
KRviator
No.

You get the cops down there to close the road. Just as they do whenever there is any other major traffic incident - such as a car crash, or boom gate failure. That's their job - respond to unplanned events on the road network. And I'd bet the police were there quickly to close the road.

I would more suspect that the issue is the Metro response time. Technicians would have to attend to secure the booms and ensure that the track and overhead are clear. Someone suitably senior would have to authorise train movements. Minions to act as flag signallers if necessary. Who knows where these people have to come from, and they have to get there during peak hour.

I would also be willing to bet that there is no 'rapid response system' to minimise disruption. People specifically on duty to respond quickly to this sort of disruption - not on call and on their way home or attending other jobs. Protocols with the police to ensure that they respond quickly to minimise delays to passengers. This sort of rapid response costs money.
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
Why did this not happen last night as the road crossing would have been deemed unsafe for vehicles opening the tracks for the trains which would have priority anyhow.  Why this does not happen is what we are all asking.

Why cancel trains and delay the trip of 10,000 people to allow a few cars with 1 person in them through a crossing on a less than main road?

I hope they got the rego of the truck driver?
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Heaven help us if (when) there is a real disaster.
Just look at the shambles at Tullamarine last night.
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
Please explain?
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Please explain?
x31
Plane load of ~250 people with a lunatic and a supposed bomb on board left on the ground for 80 minutes waiting for the plods and company to arrive/actually do something.
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
Please explain?
Plane load of ~250 people with a lunatic and a supposed bomb on board left on the ground for 80 minutes waiting for the plods and company to arrive/actually do something.
YM-Mundrabilla
Are you suggesting that you are an expert on Anti-Terrorism procedures are you?

Maybe, just maybe Victoria Police, and the AFP have a better handle on the situation than you think.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Please explain?
Plane load of ~250 people with a lunatic and a supposed bomb on board left on the ground for 80 minutes waiting for the plods and company to arrive/actually do something.
Are you suggesting that you are an expert on Anti-Terrorism procedures are you?

Maybe, just maybe Victoria Police, and the AFP have a better handle on the situation than you think.
Gman_86
No, I am not an expert and freely admit it, but the operation has been roundly criticised by some very knowledgeable experts in the field.

The most important aspect was the outcome where nobody was killed or injured regardless of whether this was good management or good luck.
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
There's always plenty of "experts" offering their opinions after the fact. Very easy with the benefit of hindsight.

I agree, the outcome was pretty good in this case.

Back on topic, how often does a crossing get damaged in this style? Seems to be a regular occurence.

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