Welcome to Trump town

 
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
@Groundrelay, hear, hear.  I am not saying that Obama was perfect but Don completely disregarded the fact that the US Economy was down the toilet when he became pres and Obama stabilised it. Don is sounding more and more like Hannity every day.

Michael
mejhammers1
You are completely over-reacting and trying to ascribe opinions to me that I don't have.

All I ever said about Trump is that everyone - for the sake of balance - should at least have given him a fair go and not made pre-judgements about what they thought he was going to do. I didn't say I thought he was some kind of messianic saviour or that he would magically make things better for the poor where Obama had not.
Someone should dong Don on the head. Might knock a bit of sense into him. The Obama's were a classy intellectual couple unlike the present dullard.
nswtrains
So they were very glamorous, they looked great all dressed up and were able to represent the USA internationally... but didn't do any of their promised agenda. But that's okay because they were a classy intellectual couple.

Again, stop apologising for his legacy just because he was charming, intelligent, well-educated and (above all) the first black president. He really wasn't very good, that's the reality of his eight years in office.

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  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

Wow Don. Give Trump a chance for the sake of balance. Coming from someone who is so biased against the Obamas it is unreal. Granted Obama had some real clangers and some of his Foreign Policy dealings were crap. Yes he did not get his progressive policies through, but you know what Don, a balanced person would have said well he did have a hostile Congress for 6 years of his presidency, full of Tea Party Twits that blocked his policies. I suppose he should have worked a Patronus charm on those gits eh Don. Short of holding a gun to their heads he was never going to get those policies through.

Yes according to you it is alright to be an aggressive, childish thin skinned president, who borders on absolute arrogance. Yes that's just Trump, but it is not OK to be educated and well spoken. Being beholden to elites aside we do need someone who is aware about what the hell is going on!!

People are quite rightly very wary of Trump and do not like him and it is not just elites as you put it. Just take a snapshot of his work since he threw himself into the ring for the Presidency. He has insulted 2 Gold Star Families, demonized Muslims and Mexicans, installed Steve Bannon who is in no way qualified as Head of Security and had to sack him. Sacked the head of the FBI for reasons unknown, had a member of his staff (Kelly Anne Conway) concoct a massacre that never happened to defend travel bans. Put a travel ban on people from certain countries who are Muslim. Basically slagged of his own country to defend and try to have closer ties with Russia and Vladimir Putin, I could go on. But you would blow this off as it being Trump and think he is OK because he has simply given the finger to the elites.

Trump is about Trump and being a businessman he will side with big Business. His ramblings about the EPA does not fill me with confidence. Sorry Don, how many more chances does this buffoon want?

Michael
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
A few reports I read in CNN are pointing to Trump being finished, the lawyers are involved and impeachment is likely.

I guess we will see.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Which despots does Trump bring into the camp? Apparently the New York Times think they're the ones who should be allowed the choose: Fair.org.
  Radioman Chief Train Controller

Hello All,

Trump is highly unlikely to get impeached when the GOP / Republican Party has a majority in the ( Lower ) House of Representatives , a majority , even if reduced it is still likely to retain. The GOP also has a good chance of attaining a majority in the next Senate elections.

80% of registered Republicans still are supportive of Trump , and the GOP Congressional members will support Trump to ensure that the party gets it agenda up.

All in all , if you are hoping for a Trump impeachment , the real world chances of that are pretty low , therefore the more intelligent approach would be a sensible campaign against GOP and Trump policy , not a wish for something highly unlikely to happen.

Best wishes and regards, Radioman.
  ParkesHub Chief Commissioner

@Groundrelay, hear, hear.  I am not saying that Obama was perfect but Don completely disregarded the fact that the US Economy was down the toilet when he became pres and Obama stabilised it. Don is sounding more and more like Hannity every day.

Michael
mejhammers1
Obama also had the GOP opposition to each and every proposition from the WH (as stated by McConnell and Ryan). In fact, bills that were presented to the House sponsored by a Republican were opposed by the same party as and when the WH (under Obama) supported it. Obama never stood a chance with that kind of bastardry.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
For the last time: STOP LETTING OBAMA OFF, the man was incompetent, lazy and corrupted by the big end of town - end of story. He was by the establishment and for the establishment; it was obvious that he was going to look after Wall Street in the first few months after his inauguration.

Case in point: He didn't send anyone to jail in the wash-up from the Bear-Sterns collapse and in fact, he even allowed bankers to continue to collect their performance bonuses after their banks had to be rescued by the United States taxpayer. Does that sound like "change you can believe in" or "more of the same"?
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Months on and people who say that they know what the problem is are still getting it wrong, like Stanley Greenberg writing in the American Prospect:

The core problem is President Obama’s handling of the economy. Confronting this problem won’t make me popular. The president and the Democrats heroically rescued America and the global economy, restored the soundness of the financial system and managed the economy back to a full recovery. But incomes for most Americans fell during this period and the top 1 percent took all of the income gains of the recovery—a subject that mainstream Democrats barely mentioned and did not fight to address.

I agree with him that in a very real sense things have gotten worse for the poorest half in the West but I think it's policy settings (not Obama's handling of the economy) at the core of that problem; we might all see the same problems but I think these think tank elites (journalists, whatever) don't seem to reach the same conclusions about the way to 'fix' it.

Another case in point - Nick Cohen in this Guardian opinion piece - bemoaning the fact that the British Labour Party are about to lose an election to the Conservative Party (apparently?) because they have failed to connect with their working class core constituency - particularly in the northern counties:

There are now dozens of books berating left-of-centre politicians for forgetting about the “left behind”. To use David Goodhart’s distinction, the values of the locally rooted and socially conservative people from “somewhere” have vanquished the rootless urban cosmopolitans who can live “anywhere”. As an explanation, “left behind” polemics just about pass muster. But as a guide to what will happen next they are hopeless. I have yet to find a writer who can explain how a populist government can rule in the name of the “left behind” without threatening their fragile living standards.

Again, he misses the point that people vote for rogue politicans like Donald Trump knowing full well that they might not solve their problems - they want to punish the hierarchy.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Again, he misses the point that people vote for rogue politicans like Donald Trump knowing full well that they might not solve their problems - they want to punish the hierarchy.
"don_dunstan"
If we were to be pedantic, people didn't vote for a rogue politician. Trump was a business tycoon. He had considered running for various offices, but only became a politician after the election result was confirmed.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
It will be interesting to see if Theresa May or Jeremy Corbyn get elected today - Corbyn has promised to nationalise the electricity grid in the UK and also re-establish British Rail as a government corporation one-by-one as the franchises expire.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

It will be interesting to see if Theresa May or Jeremy Corbyn get elected today - Corbyn has promised to nationalise the electricity grid in the UK and also re-establish British Rail as a government corporation one-by-one as the franchises expire.
don_dunstan
That's Corbyn's strongest appeal to the British public.  But his biggest problem is that he's weak and full of appeasement when it comes to terrorism.

Over in Trumpland, there's trouble brewing in the President's relationship with his ever-loyal attorney general, Jeff Sessions:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/05/us/politics/trump-discontent-attorney-general-jeff-sessions.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/05/us/politics/trump-travel-ban.html
  Radioman Chief Train Controller

Dear Don and others,

it is a myth that the working class always vote for Labour , if that were true then Labour would have held office in both Britain and Australia for all of the 20th Century.

In a post industrial economy , which most Western OECD economies are ( to varying degrees ) , rusted on voters who always vote for one party are declining , and more voters are becoming swinging voters , hence the reason for many political parties no longer having a clearly defined ideological position .

The collapse of the USSR started the trend by unraveling the parties of the broad left , and the broad right then moving further to the right . As political alternatives then morphed into poll reading and poll chasing , the electorate lost faith in the former political certainties .

Added to this the decline in full time work , deskilling of the workforce , a slump in real income for most people , and now a decline in PAYE tax to Governments , which forces Governments to continually talk about , and implementing service cuts that primarily effect lower income groups , it is no wonder that the electorate has become jaded and unpredictable.

So i think that the results of the British election will require detailed study to work out what a potential future strategy for parties could be.

For instance if Theresa May has a massive landslide in seats , then British Labour has a very serious problem.

If Jeremy Corbyn and Labour increase their seats , what happens to Theresa May for loosing , even if still able to form Government ?

What about the SNP , if they hold their current Scottish seats in the House of Commons , what does that mean for the new Government , and what does it mean for both Scottish Labour and Scottish Tory parties ?

And the Liberal Democrats ? They may either retain their existing seats or have an increase . An increase , depending on numbers , may send a message to both Labour and Tory .

So what ever happens , there will be plenty to talk about in the next few months.

best wishes and regards, Radioman.
  Groundrelay Chief Commissioner

Location: Surrounded by Trolls!
For the last time: STOP LETTING OBAMA OFF, ...
don_dunstan
Perhaps STOP TRYING TO CRUCIFY THE MAN Rolling Eyes
You remain intent on ignoring the political situation Obama faced. Sorry Don but your grasp of reality is slipping into Trump territory. (Reality = FOX or anything he likes on social media)

Unlike Obama, Trump is SOLELY about himself and to hell with the consequences. From his all too frequent mostly impulsive tweets it should be obvious the bloke’s one piece of work.

Now we have his latest brain explosion over Paris (we won't even go near his tweets/comments re. London Mad ) .
Apparently he's now talking about renegotiating the accord so as to look after American workers. That's because Brand Trump has always been big on looking out for them Surprised
  kapow Junior Train Controller

For the last time: STOP LETTING OBAMA OFF, the man was incompetent, lazy and corrupted by the big end of town - end of story. He was by the establishment and for the establishment; it was obvious that he was going to look after Wall Street in the first few months after his inauguration.

Case in point: He didn't send anyone to jail in the wash-up from the Bear-Sterns collapse and in fact, he even allowed bankers to continue to collect their performance bonuses after their banks had to be rescued by the United States taxpayer. Does that sound like "change you can believe in" or "more of the same"?
don_dunstan
You conveniently forget that the U.S. attorney for the Eastern District of New York tried two Bear Stearns hedge-fund managers in Ralph Cioffi and Matthew Tannin who ran the hedge-fund into the ground but a jury acquitted the both of them in November 2009.
  ParkesHub Chief Commissioner

What some seem to forget is that the DoJ is separate from the Executive branch of the US Gov't. That is now playing out with Trump. Obama could not force charges to be laid.
  ParkesHub Chief Commissioner

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....Unlike Obama, Trump is SOLELY about himself and to hell with the consequences. From his all too frequent mostly impulsive tweets it should be obvious the bloke’s one piece of work....
Groundrelay
I think you are correct. Trump is about Trump. Nothing more.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Norda Fittazroy
I've followed this thread, and for the life of me I cannot understand why Don is so vehemently anti-Obama. He had to work with a hostile parliament, and was thwarted in many things he wanted to achieve. I thought he came across as a breath of fresh air after Dubya.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Norda Fittazroy
I think you are correct. Trump is about Trump.
"ParkesHub"
Quite so. There, but for grace of God, goes God.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
I've followed this thread, and for the life of me I cannot understand why Don is so vehemently anti-Obama. He had to work with a hostile parliament, and was thwarted in many things he wanted to achieve. I thought he came across as a breath of fresh air after Dubya.
Valvegear
Because everyone lets him off for his incompetence and lack of achievement, just like you did then.

Obama was all about Obama - seen the recent footage of him frolicking with his billionaire friends in the Caribbean? That's the REAL Barack Obama, not the one who was pretending to care about the welfare of the poorest Americans.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Because everyone lets him off for his incompetence and lack of achievement, just like you did then.
"don_dunstan"
Sure, Don; if you say so. It's just a pity that you allow prejudice to rule over reason.

Obama was all about Obama - seen the recent footage of him frolicking with his billionaire friends in the Caribbean? That's the REAL Barack Obama, not the one who was pretending to care about the welfare of the poorest Americans.
"don_dunstan"
It may come as a shock to you but he is no longer President and can frolic where he likes.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Sure, Don; if you say so. It's just a pity that you allow prejudice to rule over reason.
Valvegear
It's not my prejudice, it's yours. It's an inability to make the link between Obama's lack of accomplishment and "more of the same" that directly led the election of Trump.
It may come as a shock to you but he is no longer President and can frolic where he likes.
Valvegear
So it's perfectly okay that he was cultivated by the billionaire set all along?
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Don; it's obvious that you just do not understand what it is to deal with a hostile House and Senate. Obama found out; you refuse to accept the fact.
All Presidents, PM's et al  in dozens of countries are cultivated by the rich; I may not like it, but it's a fact of life.

Go and live in your world of prejudice and fantasy if it makes you happy.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Don; it's obvious that you just do not understand what it is to deal with a hostile House and Senate.
Valvegear
The Tony Abbott excuse: I was rooned right from the start because not all the parliament was on my side.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Don; do what I've done . . . go and look up Obama's Major Acts and Legislation, and then tell me he did nothing worthwhile. It's a good cure for unthinking bias.

Then, if you can take off your red specs for a moment and put a blue pair on, you may care to see that the so-called "Tony Abbott excuse", also applies to Julia Gillard.
  Groundrelay Chief Commissioner

Location: Surrounded by Trolls!
Back to the post-Obama reality...

The Grand Poobah fired off tweets regarding Qatar and now everyone else is scrambling to "clarify"... again.

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