SAR Regal Red

 
  LaidlayM Chief Commissioner

Location: Research
I am partly re-painting an AR Kits SAR 600 class.  I need to get a match with the red on the "as delivered" scheme.

Any suggestions?

Mark

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  allan Chief Commissioner

I'm the expert. I'm colour blind!

Regal Red in the 20th century is now called Heritage Red, but I do not think that that will be a great match for the colour used by AR kits, anymore than it is for the red on the Traino 930s (but I may be wrong...).

Fortunately, I think that it is the pilots that you are painting, so try Humbrol Crimson, then weather with flavours of kangaroo, emu and sheep guts, and a hint of bulldust, and the mismatch will disappear.
  mattc66 Locomotive Driver

I use 50/50 mix of Humbrol 70 (Brick Red) and 73 (Wine).
  LaidlayM Chief Commissioner

Location: Research
I ended up painting a lot more than I intended due to adding the AMRM Brasstic details so I have to paint everything except the cab.

Mark
  allan Chief Commissioner

I think that I'd go with Colorbond Heritage Red, under those circumstances, but I think that you'll have to paint the cab too. Which means that you'll have to source silver decals for the cab sides...

I really think that you'll be pushing your luck hoping to find a dead match for AR Kits' idea of Goodwin Alco's idea of SAR Regal Red! That said, I reckon that AR Kits sold that paint in bottles, perhaps twenty years ago - so who has some left, in a liquid form?

Edit: I can confirm that AR Kits did sell the paint, labelled as SAR Red. My bottle is functionally empty, but not dry. I have added a few drops of lacquer thinner to the residue to see if I can reconstitute a few drops. You may do better by contacting AR Kits...
  M636C Minister for Railways

As delivered, the 600 class were painted crimson and silver.

The colour was nothing like SAR Regal Red, which was effectively maroon.

When repainted in Traffic Yellow by SAR, the waist band was Regal Red.

The AR kits colour was close enough but it was never Regal Red, nor was it ever called that to my knowledge.

The 700 class were Regal Red when built, so I guess someone in SAR had a word to AE Goodwin after the 600s turned up in their strange colour.

Peter
  xdford Chief Train Controller

As delivered, the 600 class were painted crimson and silver.

The colour was nothing like SAR Regal Red, which was effectively maroon.

When repainted in Traffic Yellow by SAR, the waist band was Regal Red.

The AR kits colour was close enough but it was never Regal Red, nor was it ever called that to my knowledge.

The 700 class were Regal Red when built, so I guess someone in SAR had a word to AE Goodwin after the 600s turned up in their strange colour.

Peter
M636C
My understanding was that the 600 scheme was some form of acknowledgement of the role the Commonwealth and Commonwealth Railways played in the SG project, the difference in the scheme being the lack of dark blue lining between the crimson and silver sections.

Regards

Trevor
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
The official color when delivered for a 600 class diesel I think was called post office red it was a bright red color like a post office van back then. It was not Maroon though but a lot brighter. The stripes and chevrons on them were silver as has been noted.

I think this color might have come about by a misunderstanding in the tender documents, as it may have said to painted red and silver, the red meaning Regal Red, but over in NSW the manufacturer read it as bright red and so they got painted that color the later ones then had to be painted the same though to match the two already in service! It could have a simple typist error that left out the word regal in the color specification for them. Once delivered they had to go into service as the original 2 were used to build the SAR standard gauge track and later when the others entered service they only had them and the 830's on SG till the 3, 700 class diesels went into service up there! Also as stated they got the 700 color right though! The SG was always short of motive power at times!
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
Here is a 600 diesel in the original colour it was delivered in! Not my photo though found on the internet.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f7/600_class-South_Australia-1969.jpg/250px-600_class-South_Australia-1969.jpg
  LaidlayM Chief Commissioner

Location: Research
The saga of matching the AR colours on the 600 class has come to a happy conclusion.  I picked up a bottle of Raileys Paint 117 Red thinking if I heavily weather the loco I might cover up the difference but the match is pretty good.  I painted everything silver or red except the cab sides to avoid redoing the numbers.

Just wish I could add a picture without mucking around with off site storage.

Mark

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