SAR Regal Red

 
  LaidlayM Chief Commissioner

Location: Research
I am partly re-painting an AR Kits SAR 600 class.  I need to get a match with the red on the "as delivered" scheme.

Any suggestions?

Mark

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  allan Chief Commissioner

I'm the expert. I'm colour blind!

Regal Red in the 20th century is now called Heritage Red, but I do not think that that will be a great match for the colour used by AR kits, anymore than it is for the red on the Traino 930s (but I may be wrong...).

Fortunately, I think that it is the pilots that you are painting, so try Humbrol Crimson, then weather with flavours of kangaroo, emu and sheep guts, and a hint of bulldust, and the mismatch will disappear.
  mattc66 Locomotive Driver

I use 50/50 mix of Humbrol 70 (Brick Red) and 73 (Wine).
  LaidlayM Chief Commissioner

Location: Research
I ended up painting a lot more than I intended due to adding the AMRM Brasstic details so I have to paint everything except the cab.

Mark
  allan Chief Commissioner

I think that I'd go with Colorbond Heritage Red, under those circumstances, but I think that you'll have to paint the cab too. Which means that you'll have to source silver decals for the cab sides...

I really think that you'll be pushing your luck hoping to find a dead match for AR Kits' idea of Goodwin Alco's idea of SAR Regal Red! That said, I reckon that AR Kits sold that paint in bottles, perhaps twenty years ago - so who has some left, in a liquid form?

Edit: I can confirm that AR Kits did sell the paint, labelled as SAR Red. My bottle is functionally empty, but not dry. I have added a few drops of lacquer thinner to the residue to see if I can reconstitute a few drops. You may do better by contacting AR Kits...
  M636C Minister for Railways

As delivered, the 600 class were painted crimson and silver.

The colour was nothing like SAR Regal Red, which was effectively maroon.

When repainted in Traffic Yellow by SAR, the waist band was Regal Red.

The AR kits colour was close enough but it was never Regal Red, nor was it ever called that to my knowledge.

The 700 class were Regal Red when built, so I guess someone in SAR had a word to AE Goodwin after the 600s turned up in their strange colour.

Peter
  xdford Chief Train Controller

As delivered, the 600 class were painted crimson and silver.

The colour was nothing like SAR Regal Red, which was effectively maroon.

When repainted in Traffic Yellow by SAR, the waist band was Regal Red.

The AR kits colour was close enough but it was never Regal Red, nor was it ever called that to my knowledge.

The 700 class were Regal Red when built, so I guess someone in SAR had a word to AE Goodwin after the 600s turned up in their strange colour.

Peter
M636C
My understanding was that the 600 scheme was some form of acknowledgement of the role the Commonwealth and Commonwealth Railways played in the SG project, the difference in the scheme being the lack of dark blue lining between the crimson and silver sections.

Regards

Trevor
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
The official color when delivered for a 600 class diesel I think was called post office red it was a bright red color like a post office van back then. It was not Maroon though but a lot brighter. The stripes and chevrons on them were silver as has been noted.

I think this color might have come about by a misunderstanding in the tender documents, as it may have said to painted red and silver, the red meaning Regal Red, but over in NSW the manufacturer read it as bright red and so they got painted that color the later ones then had to be painted the same though to match the two already in service! It could have a simple typist error that left out the word regal in the color specification for them. Once delivered they had to go into service as the original 2 were used to build the SAR standard gauge track and later when the others entered service they only had them and the 830's on SG till the 3, 700 class diesels went into service up there! Also as stated they got the 700 color right though! The SG was always short of motive power at times!
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
Here is a 600 diesel in the original colour it was delivered in! Not my photo though found on the internet.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f7/600_class-South_Australia-1969.jpg/250px-600_class-South_Australia-1969.jpg
  LaidlayM Chief Commissioner

Location: Research
The saga of matching the AR colours on the 600 class has come to a happy conclusion.  I picked up a bottle of Raileys Paint 117 Red thinking if I heavily weather the loco I might cover up the difference but the match is pretty good.  I painted everything silver or red except the cab sides to avoid redoing the numbers.

Just wish I could add a picture without mucking around with off site storage.

Mark
  LaidlayM Chief Commissioner

Location: Research
Now where can I get the Piping Shrike from?

Mark
  allan Chief Commissioner

Your best bet may be to download a good copy, https://www.flickr.com/photos/ozescout/3275647192 , reduce it to size and print it on photo paper. Before you ask, I don't know how to do that!

The BGB reproduction was photographic, and the Shrieking Pike decals that I have seen since - if a long time ago - were none too flash.
  LaidlayM Chief Commissioner

Location: Research
Your best bet may be to download a good copy, https://www.flickr.com/photos/ozescout/3275647192 , reduce it to size and print it on photo paper. Before you ask, I don't know how to do that!

The BGB reproduction was photographic, and the Shrieking Pike decals that I have seen since - if a long time ago - were none too flash.
allan
Thanks, good suggestion.
  SA_trains Assistant Commissioner

Location: ACT
Reducing in size and printing on photographic paper is what BGB used to do. It looks quite effective as it provides the "look"of a cast plate. (albeit, too thick in HO scale...... I assume we are discussing HO scale!)

That said, cutting it out nice and cleanly can get a little challenging when only a handful of millimetres across. The alternate is to seek permission from the photo above and ask SOAK (Signs of all kinds) to make you some decals. All you will need to do is to provide them the dimensions. SOAK are really good to work with, they will be able to make you a nice decal.

Good luck!

Dan
  DJPeters Train Controller

A suitable hole punch for leather is what I use to use to cut them out, it takes a bit of skill to get it centred but it does the job quite well. A black permanent marker used around the edge and presto a ready to place piping shrike every time. Your first couple might not be to you liking though as it takes some good judgement on you part to get them centred but after a while you get the idea and away you go.One like in this link is superb and do not use it for anything else though as the sharper it is the better the cut. A round tooth pick is what I use to get it out of the punch one with a point on only one end and simply push it out!

https://www.mitre10.com.au/punch-leather-6-way
  patsstuffnow Junior Train Controller

BGB used the photo method because the logo is the property of the State Government.

At the time they would not give Peter Ziegler permission to use the logo for commercial purposes.

However they could not stop him selling photos of items in public view so he just sold very small parts of photos he had taken.

It could be a similar problem for signs of all kinds to produce decals still.

printing on to photo paper for non commercial purposes does not present the same problem.

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