All things U-SETS / U-BOATS

 
  SydneyCider Locomotive Fireman

tassiebaz - taken during last days of red sets Dec 1991 and Jan 1992


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqUUHwsZFrk

tassiebaz has posted some fantastic videos on his channel taken in Dec 1991 and Jan 1992 during the last days of standard red set operations. While the videos largely focus on the red sets, some U-sets can be seen in his footage. Considering the fact that there were far fewer U-sets built and there seems to be less footage of them, I have singled out the times in his videos which feature U-set services.

6:52 - shows U-set departing Hornsby railway station on a wet, rainy, dreary day with pantographs sparking brightly. The rear power car is one of the few with original lift windows and one of those that has survived into preservation.

11:30 - shows a 6-car Blue Mountains service U-set pulling into and departing platform 3 at Strathfield station

13:05 - 6-car U-set races through Strathfield station platform 2 towards the city

15:32 - U-set races through Croydon railway station heading west on the main down, overtaking a red set which flies through on the suburban (limited stops) down

The above last 3 scenes it seems were filmed at the same time as those taken by tressteleg in his u-set interurbans video, albeit from a slightly different perspective.

The following video shows the driver's perspective of a service going from Flemington to Wynyard


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAU0rDCx0OA&t=962s

1:55 shows the train passing through platform 2 Strathfield station on the up while a U-set departs Platform 3 heading west.

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  gordon_s1942 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Central Tablelands of NSW
One problem that didnt become apparent until an Interurban failed was that it could NOT be coupled to a locomotive, ie a 46 class to be hauled away.
To do so required firstly the removal of the 'buffer beam' that was used on the Interurbans and then it was found that (I think) the auto coupling on the Locomotive was too high so unless you had a 'Tail Rope' which was NOT carried on the Interurbans, you couldnt tow the train.
  Groover Junior Train Controller

Location: A long way from home
One problem that didnt become apparent until an Interurban failed was that it could NOT be coupled to a locomotive, ie a 46 class to be hauled away.
To do so required firstly the removal of the 'buffer beam' that was used on the Interurbans and then it was found that (I think) the auto coupling on the Locomotive was too high so unless you had a 'Tail Rope' which was NOT carried on the Interurbans, you couldnt tow the train.
gordon_s1942
Was that corrected after the problem was noticed? What were the arrangments for hauling the U sets during the main north shut down in the late 70's when all interurbans were either hauled by diesel or 46 class, and when a U set was hauled by 3830 on a SPER tour from Waterfall to Central?  I would have thought coupler height was a standard spec for all rollingstock.
  SydneyCider Locomotive Fireman

Interior Shots. I never had the chance to ride these trains but from photos I've seen I have to say they had a lot of character - a real retro feel, especially those with the original windows and shutters. It looks really cool how you see the reflection of the lights and lamp shades with the glossy/reflective green paint on the ceiling.

This I believe is an interior shot of ETB6039 at Valley Heights
https://www.flickr.com/photos/fjs_photography/4759770959/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/fjs_photography/4760403272/in/album-72157624583674442/

An interior shot of a car with Beclawat windows and the light cream ceiling c. 1993. Again, quite effective with the glossy paint.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/don5617/23808772622/

Preserved CF5003 at Junee. This was apparently the only car to retain the original chocolate/maroon lower half saloon for it's service life, although other parts that were choc were repainted in the darker green. CF5003 was one of the middle power cars on the first electric train to Gosford in 1960.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/vrfan/14355273072/

Preserved CF5021 at Junee
https://www.flickr.com/photos/vrfan/14376999763/

Supposedly on first electric train to Gosford Jan 23 1960
https://www.flickr.com/photos/gostalgia/9929919975/in/photostream
  neillfarmer Locomotive Driver

One problem that didnt become apparent until an Interurban failed was that it could NOT be coupled to a locomotive, ie a 46 class to be hauled away.
To do so required firstly the removal of the 'buffer beam' that was used on the Interurbans and then it was found that (I think) the auto coupling on the Locomotive was too high so unless you had a 'Tail Rope' which was NOT carried on the Interurbans, you couldnt tow the train.
Was that corrected after the problem was noticed? What were the arrangments for hauling the U sets during the main north shut down in the late 70's when all interurbans were either hauled by diesel or 46 class, and when a U set was hauled by 3830 on a SPER tour from Waterfall to Central?  I would have thought coupler height was a standard spec for all rollingstock.
Groover
The first use of the U-Boats was for the first electric train over the Blue Mountains. It consisted of U set cars hauled by 4612.
If there was any miss matches with couplers it was corrected before the sets went into service. In the 1960s it was common to see individual cars being shunted around Flemington car sheds, and there were steam tours with them to Wallerawang and Waterfall. Both of which I have photos of.
Neill Farmer
  Groover Junior Train Controller

Location: A long way from home
Wasn't there also a difference in brake air pressure?  I seem to recall that when coupling a loco to a U set the brake line cock wasn't opened completely?  Not sure, but someone will provide correct advice.
  zordmaker Train Controller

Location: NSW
Wasn't there also a difference in brake air pressure?  I seem to recall that when coupling a loco to a U set the brake line cock wasn't opened completely?  Not sure, but someone will provide correct advice.
Groover
No, the cock is always opened as normal.

The pressure regulator on the loco must be adjusted down as the maximum pressure on the U Boats is less. Can't remember by how much. Failure to do so can result in sticking brakes and wheel flats (a phenomenon that SETS and Mr. Burns quickly discovered in their short foray into towing U Boats with their 46 class in the early '00s).

Incidentally, the same rule applies to the red sets inc F1. Anything that tows it must have it's pressure reg reduced from 800kPa to 690kPa. I imagine the W / U sets would be similar. For this reason the TOC Waiver for F1 restricts recovery to an "S" set on which the regulator MUST be reduced before the train is attached. This is one of the tasks for which the on board equipment examiner (when F1 runs) is prepared to carry out.

Reducing pressure on the more modern trains is much harder in service hence the prohibition on allowing them to recover the set. Of course with 3 power cars available, one should hope there will never be any reason to.
  Just The Tip Locomotive Fireman

Location: Danger zone
Wasn't there also a difference in brake air pressure?  I seem to recall that when coupling a loco to a U set the brake line cock wasn't opened completely?  Not sure, but someone will provide correct advice.
No, the cock is always opened as normal.

The pressure regulator on the loco must be adjusted down as the maximum pressure on the U Boats is less. Can't remember by how much. Failure to do so can result in sticking brakes and wheel flats (a phenomenon that SETS and Mr. Burns quickly discovered in their short foray into towing U Boats with their 46 class in the early '00s).
zordmaker
Much the same when hauling all(?) suburban/interurban sets with freight locomotives.

On an unrelated, but mentioned above, note; where is Burns now? Still assuring people that the cheque is 'in the mail'...?
  Matthew Junior Train Controller

I seem to recall that when coupling a loco to a U set the brake line cock wasn't opened completely?  Not sure, but someone will provide correct advice.
Groover
That wouldn't reduce the pressure, only the rate that it changed.
The regulator on the locomotive needs to be changed. This was a 'normal' thing to do anyway - passenger stock often had different brake pressures to goods stock. so the appropriate adjustment was available on mixed use locomotives.

I have an old AT&SF train handing guide that someone gave to me years ago. It has a chapter on changing brake pipe pressure when switching from passenger to freight stock or vs. So there was a list of how to do this on common brake stands in use on the railway.
  zordmaker Train Controller

Location: NSW
On an unrelated, but mentioned above, note; where is Burns now? Still assuring people that the cheque is 'in the mail'...?
Just The Tip

Oooh I won't touch that one...

Most of us are back on the HET / Sydney Trains / THNSW side of the fence now..
  SydneyCider Locomotive Fireman

Some updates for the weekend. I've updated the listing on page one for CF, TF, ETB Cars. A couple of particular ones to note.

- CF5038 and TF6018 were the 2 cars withdrawn in 1978. TF6018 was damaged in a collision at Flemington Car Sheds on 27 March 1978 and CF5038 was either damaged on this same date with 6018 or on another day during 1978. TF6018 was condemned on August 2, 1979 (CF5038 possibly same date). Both these cars, along with fire damaged C3825, C3877 and D4017 were taken to Metal Recyclers who used the Commonwealth siding adjacent to Lord St, Botany for scrapping in August 1981.

- CF5034 and ETB6033 were 2 cars withdrawn in 1973 after being damaged by fire at Gosford on January 11, 1973. ETB6033 was condemned on March 12, 1976 and scrapped at Simsmetal Mascot on 19 June 1976 (CF5034 probably same dates).

- ETB6034 (one of very few cars left with original lift-up windows), was acquired by the school at Kandos where it remains to this day, possibly used as an admin office. This car was condemned on March 6, 1995. This info was apparently taken from the December 1996 issue of "Under the Wires" which it seems had lots of info on the U-set fleet. If anyone has access to this publication which may feature complete entry to service/withdrawal/condemning dates for U-sets please feel free to share if possible and we'll have a very complete listing. Smile

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/aus.rail/H4uiABxTxV8 (credit to Robbie O'Regan for the info on TF6018, ETB6033 and ETB6034).

http://www.sydneytramwaymuseum.com.au/members.old/Trolley_Wire/195%20-%20Trolley%20Wire%20-%20Aug%201981.pdf (August 1981 issue of Trolley Wire which has details on the scrapping of the Comeng DD cars and CF5038 and TF6018 - see page 20. Also Page 22 has a photo of these 5 cars awaiting scrapping)

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