Topic moved from General by dthead on 10 Oct 2016 21:40
  billybaxter Deputy Commissioner

Location: Bosnia Park, Fairfield
Well this should give Eddy a break from spamming skyscrapercity with his lunatic ideas.

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  James974 Deputy Commissioner

Hello everyone, check this video out,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KniP3T_PPB4
Anyone like this idea of using Magnets in a vacuum tube to move the trains. Much more superior than hyper loop.
  eddyb Chief Train Controller

As Malcolm is interested in Magtube I sent him a copy of the letter I sent to the Infrastructure Investment Division Rail Policy and Planning Branch



Hi James                                                                                                            

Thank you for including Magtube to be eligible to apply for the formal business case, Australians would love to see a privately operated government owned asset that earns $2b per year for the next 200 years.


Using the NWRL tunnel cost of $37,000 per metre it would cost $30b for the tunnels and $5b for the magtrack with each participating state contributing $500m per year matched by the federal government over the ten years it takes to build it.


China and Korea are about to develop the next generation of 1,000kph trains and Magtube will allow this by simply reducing air resistance with an exhaust valve both ends of each of the three tunnels.


Southbound trains would be in stations for 15 minutes while northbound are in the tunnels and vice versa allowing a 5.6m wide 2,000 seat train to leave Sydney and Melbourne every half hour e.g.


Leave Sydney 6.00----------------Arrive Canberra 6.15

Leave Canberra 6.30 -------------Arrive Albury 6.45

Leave Albury 7.00------------------Arrive Melbourne 7.15


Leave Melbourne 6.15------------Arrive Albury 6.30

Leave Albury 6.45------------------Arrive Canberra 7.00

Leave Canberra 7.15------- -------Arrive Sydney 7.30


Resulting in a one seat ride end to end of one and a quarter hours every half hour.

Leaving Sydney 6.00, 6.30, 7.00, 7.30, 8.00, 830, 9.00 etc

Leaving Melbourne 6.15, 6.45, 7.15, 7.45, 8.15, 8.45, 9.15 etc.



Enclosed is a copy of the letter you sent me.


Regards Eddy Barnett
  eddyb Chief Train Controller

Next generation trains will have to be in reduced atmosphere tunnels as pushing air and maintenance costs of wheels cannot compete against planes https://www.economist.com/blogs/schumpeter/2014/08/france-s-tgv  


Although single tunnels between cities will halve the build cost they would need 1,000kph maglev so rather than conserving corridors it would be better to start building the tunnels now assuming in ten years the maglev will be even better.


By eliminating the resistance of wings in the same reduced density Magtube would have the monopoly between Melbourne, Albury, Canberra and Sydney (Auto alley with a new station that will accommodate metro west) with a northern Magtube built later.


Completing the Sydney to Melbourne section in ten years would create a monopoly sooner than building it in stages so getting a return earlier and it could easily be done with $500m each state each year matched by the federal government.


Australians would love to have a government asset that returns $2b per year for the next 200 years.
  s3_gunzel Not a gunzel developer

Location: Western Sydney, AU
Sydney (Auto alley [Parramatta/Harris Park]...)
eddyb
Ha. Ha. Ha. I see you've re-branded to Auto Alley
  billybaxter Deputy Commissioner

Location: Bosnia Park, Fairfield
Take your business case to the local bank. If the numbers stack up they'll jump at the chance. That $2 billion a year could be all yours!
  eddyb Chief Train Controller

Sydney (Auto alley [Parramatta/Harris Park]...)
Ha. Ha. Ha. I see you've re-branded to Auto Alley
s3_gunzel

Yes, it was pretty hard to beat about the bush when they want the fast train to go all the way in and out again just so people do not have to transfer to the metro west.


Ultimately it would be up to each city to decide where to locate their Magtube station but going geographically central seems the fairest way to me.
  eddyb Chief Train Controller

Take your business case to the local bank. If the numbers stack up they'll jump at the chance. That $2 billion a year could be all yours!
billybaxter

A government can get a 10-year bond for zero interest by which time Magtube would be a monopoly earning $2b per year with very little running costs.


Banks are totally risk averse and would charge up to 10% per annum for the ten years it would take to build it so you can kiss that idea goodbye.
  billybaxter Deputy Commissioner

Location: Bosnia Park, Fairfield
Is this project risky or not? If it is then who is going to lend the $200 billion dollars needed to build it, at zero interest? I suppose you believe the loan will be made because it's to a government. Maybe, but that just means if it turns out to be a white elephant, all that money will have to be cut from other government infrustructure and services such as health, education, police, rural roads, social security and so on. Why should country towns risk losing their hospitals, their schools, their police, their road maintenance budget, why should the elderly who have worked hard all their life risk having their pension cut back to a bare minimum, why should people born with genetic diseases risk losing their carers and the expensive medication that makes life bearable, all for an unproven technology that provides a service predominantly for business travellers, a service already provided by the private sector at no cost to taxpayers? Why Eddy, why?
  eddyb Chief Train Controller

Is this project risky or not? If it is then who is going to lend the $200 billion dollars needed to build it, at zero interest? I suppose you believe the loan will be made because it's to a government. Maybe, but that just means if it turns out to be a white elephant, all that money will have to be cut from other government infrustructure and services such as health, education, police, rural roads, social security and so on. Why should country towns risk losing their hospitals, their schools, their police, their road maintenance budget, why should the elderly who have worked hard all their life risk having their pension cut back to a bare minimum, why should people born with genetic diseases risk losing their carers and the expensive medication that makes life bearable, all for an unproven technology that provides a service predominantly for business travellers, a service already provided by the private sector at no cost to taxpayers? Why Eddy, why?
billybaxter

It would only cost each state $500m per year matched by the federal government.


Even if banks wanted to their borrowing costs are too high for them to do so.



Nothing ventured nothing gained and this is an opportunity to provide much more money for the things dear to your heart.
  Valvegear The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Ohmigawd; please folks, don't encourage him. Just ignore what he posts; we all know it's tripe.
  billybaxter Deputy Commissioner

Location: Bosnia Park, Fairfield
Believe me Eddy, it's not dear to my heart. You really must be hitting the pharmaceuticals if you think anybody but you cares about this. Where's the site you promised with detailed costing and marketing studies, technical diagrams, proof of concept, business case and so on? Doesn't exist does it. Doesn't exist because you've got about three ridiculous ideas which you can't prove or expand on, and you're too lazy and incompetent to get even a basic site up and running. What are they saying at the other places you're spamming with this nonsense?
  eddyb Chief Train Controller

Believe me Eddy, it's not dear to my heart. You really must be hitting the pharmaceuticals if you think anybody but you cares about this. Where's the site you promised with detailed costing and marketing studies, technical diagrams, proof of concept, business case and so on? Doesn't exist does it. Doesn't exist because you've got about three ridiculous ideas which you can't prove or expand on, and you're too lazy and incompetent to get even a basic site up and running. What are they saying at the other places you're spamming with this nonsense?
billybaxter
So you were only joking when you talked about closing hospitals etc.

Nobody can fault it.



http://www.busaustralia.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=72258&start=50

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=966040&page=272
  billybaxter Deputy Commissioner

Location: Bosnia Park, Fairfield
Of course I wasn't joking,  those things are important to me, but your scheme won't provide money for them because it can't make money. It would be cheaper to dig a bit pit and bury the 35 billion dollars than start spending it on this ridiculous idea only to find the real cost is closer to 300 billion, and then nobody wants to use it because of all the changing, claustrophobia, having to treck out to auto alley and look like a dill. Nobody at any of those links supports you either. Not one positive statement. Still refusing to provide serious research or live up to your promise to put it all on a website either I see.
  billybaxter Deputy Commissioner

Location: Bosnia Park, Fairfield
Nobody supports you. Nobody at any place you've tried to pander your story. Like a fence trying to sell stolen goods at a church fair, your behaviour elicits curiosity then disgust at all the places you loiter.
  eddyb Chief Train Controller

Like most people, because you cannot see air you forget it can blow houses down, limit the speed of vehicles including trains and an outburst of gas in Westcliff mine pushed the 50t miner back.


You are very risk averse but what it they build a TGV and find out like France it is too expensive to run or what if the price of jet fuel doubles, there is risk in living.


Even though many people have raised concerns which I have addressed I am sure they would have people a lot smarter than you or I to study Magtube before the first sod was turned.

  billybaxter Deputy Commissioner

Location: Bosnia Park, Fairfield
Smarter than you? I thought you knew everything. You certainly behave like you think you do.
  eddyb Chief Train Controller

Smarter than you? I thought you knew everything. You certainly behave like you think you do.
billybaxter

Before I went in the mine as a young man I did think I knew everything but I soon found out I didn’t and even now I can be a tad irritating but there are some people who like me.
  billybaxter Deputy Commissioner

Location: Bosnia Park, Fairfield
More people would like you and find you less irritating if, rather than avoiding answering their perfectly reasonable questions, you'd answer them. Your numbers and your reasoning are too light, and you avoid taking into account anything that doesn't fit your agenda. For example, an article about problems with the TGV doesn't mean Magtube is an answer.
  eddyb Chief Train Controller

More people would like you and find you less irritating if, rather than avoiding answering their perfectly reasonable questions, you'd answer them. Your numbers and your reasoning are too light, and you avoid taking into account anything that doesn't fit your agenda. For example, an article about problems with the TGV doesn't mean Magtube is an answer.
billybaxter

It would be great to be popular but what I am more concerned about is do we need to start something now and if so what.


The original Magtube concept has been refined due to feedback from many people to where I now believe it to be viable.


Evidently 40% of the ticket price on the TGV goes to using the track and you have to maintain wheels on top of that so if you can go three times as fast while only needing small, cheap, single tunnels with no wheels then that seems the way to go to me.


I have been 500m underground for 25 years going regularly through double doors to different air pressures so it all seems very simple to me but going up in a plane would be a bit scary.


Apart from pointing out problems with the original concept you have given me an opportunity to explain to others how Magtube would work so hit me with your biggest problem.
  Valvegear The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Norda Fittazroy
I cannot resist - Eddy, you have just answered billybaxter by doing the very thing he complained about. YOU REFUSE POINT BLANK TO ANSWER QUESTIONS PROPERLY, and instead you give us line after line of rubbish and pie-in-the-sky ideas.
For God's sake, either put up properly researched facts and answers or give up this nonsense.
  eddyb Chief Train Controller

Many people are comparing it to the Gotthard base tunnel but that is 50 square metres cross sectional area and twin tunnels which is more to excavate and harder to support however the 6m diameter Magtube is only 28 square metres the same as the NWRL therefore it would only cost the same $37m per kilometre or $30b for three single tunnels Sydney to Melbourne
  eddyb Chief Train Controller

@eddyb Elon Musk wants to build a hyperloop


Thoughts?
stooge spark
There is no way you can have an above ground reduced density tube due to expansion and contraction and g force and I think he has just realised that and started the Boring company.
  eddyb Chief Train Controller
  Valvegear The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Norda Fittazroy
due to air density and g force on the surface.
"eddyb"


1. What is the density of air?- preferably in metric units.
2. What do you mean by g force on the surface? How is g force on the surface any different from g force a little underground? The symbol "g" is commonly used to denote acceleration due to gravity. Do you know and understand anything about Newton's Law of Gravitation?

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