Tilt Train Replacement Diesel - how much longer

 
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Sunday August 27th is reportedly the last Tiltlander run, with an all Tilt timetable being introduced on Monday August 28th.

Cheers!

Do we know if this will change the consist of the Westie and Inlander? will they get a buffet car back?
Tristans

Don't really need a buffet car back as the trains are running virtually empty.

Mike.

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  Tristans Station Master

Sunday August 27th is reportedly the last Tiltlander run, with an all Tilt timetable being introduced on Monday August 28th.

Cheers!

Do we know if this will change the consist of the Westie and Inlander? will they get a buffet car back?

Don't really need a buffet car back as the trains are running virtually empty.

Mike.
The Vinelander

Fair point, and I guess its the lack of sleepers - not buffet cars - as the reason for the low patronage.
  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
I guess its the lack of sleepers - not buffet cars - as the reason for the low patronage.
Tristans

As has been noted before, the unfriendly timetable and gradual downgrading of the service, including removal of sleepers and buffet cars, car carriers etc has resulted in dwindling patronage. Clearly they are trying to kill these services off completely. It is a wonder they still exist now.
  tazzer96 Assistant Commissioner


I guess its the lack of sleepers - not buffet cars - as the reason for the low patronage.
Tristans
Add to that the crap timetable, and speed so low it is outpaced by Continental shift.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line

I guess its the lack of sleepers - not buffet cars - as the reason for the low patronage.Add to that the crap timetable, and speed so low it is outpaced by Continental shift.
tazzer96

Well not quite...

My trusty 1962 QR timetable gives the Westlander a departure from Brisbane, Roma St @ 19:00, arriving Toowoomba @ 23:06, a mere 10 minutes slower than today.

However further west it gets a bit interesting, the train scheduled into Charleville @ 15:02, three hours slower than today.

Moreover, because the Westlander was Queenslands 'crack' air-conditioned train on the western line, it ran 'express' from Dalby to Roma, all 165 miles at an average speed of 31.5 MPH...hold on to your hat Ma...Shocked

...and if you wanted to travel to an intermediate station between Dalby and Roma you had to change at Toowoomba, or for a better connexion, catch the 8:15 daily from Roma St to Toowoomba and change again to the 12:45 non-airconditioned ex Toowoomba, stopping all 29 stations and arriving Roma @ 21:27, an average speed of 23.3 MPH Exclamation

Mike.
  Tristans Station Master

Back to the original topic of this thread Smile..

I am sure I noted a month or so ago that the Queensland Rail Travel website said there was a new timetable starting on or about the 22nd of August, this being without the Diesel replacements. Looking now, I cannot find any trace of it...
This begs the question, is there a delay in the tilts coming back to service?

Cheers,
Tristan.
  Tristans Station Master

Ok so it appears there was...

It is necessary for Queensland Rail to defer the reintroduction of the second Electric Tilt Train by one week to enable finalisation of timetabling and rostering requirements.
The Diesel Replacement Service will now continue to run through to the 3rd September (inclusive) 2017. Service departure and arrival times will be adjusted accordingly.
Existing customers who were already booked on to this Tilt Train service will be contacted directly by Queensland Rail Travel to discuss the alternative arrangements.
Queensland Rail Travel apologises for any inconvenience to customers due to this service adjustment.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Why is a replacement required ?

How will passengers get to cairns with diesel tilt ?
  Sulla1 Chief Commissioner

QR only has two electric tilt sets for the Brisbane-Rockhamptpn services, for the best part of two years both sets have been overhauled one after the other with a conventional locomotive hauled train running alternate days in each direction and the remaining electric set running the opposing service each day. The Cairns services, equipped with three diesel sets, have been unaffected.
  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
QR only has two electric tilt sets for the Brisbane-Rockhamptpn services, for the best part of two years both sets have been overhauled one after the other with a conventional locomotive hauled train running alternate days in each direction and the remaining electric set running the opposing service each day.
Sulla1
This is what? the second?, third? overhaul/refurbishment of these sets since their introduction? The replacement diesel hauled services seem to be used quite a bit! When one set is under overhaul and the other fails, how is the service maintained?

I'm wondering what will be the future for these services when these sets are EOL.
  tazzer96 Assistant Commissioner

Why is a replacement required ?

How will passengers get to cairns with diesel tilt ?
freightgate
Two different trains.   The diesel tilt train (now called the Spirit of Queensland) is a push/pull train with only the carriages tilting.  Similar to the XPT's.   QLD has 3 of these sets and run 6 days a week.

The electric tilt trains are a 6 car EMU that only goes as far as rockhampton.   They are two very different trains
  tazzer96 Assistant Commissioner

QR only has two electric tilt sets for the Brisbane-Rockhamptpn services, for the best part of two years both sets have been overhauled one after the other with a conventional locomotive hauled train running alternate days in each direction and the remaining electric set running the opposing service each day.
This is what? the second?, third? overhaul/refurbishment of these sets since their introduction? The replacement diesel hauled services seem to be used quite a bit! When one set is under overhaul and the other fails, how is the service maintained?

I'm wondering what will be the future for these services when these sets are EOL.
Graham4405
I believe it is the 2nd major overhaul (not that you can tell when inside it).  I got it only 4 days after it reentered service and the tilt failed about 1 minute south of elimbah.  I had my 2 minutes of fun at 160.   Still amazes me how QR never clawed back a few 3900's to run the tilt replacement service.  My biggest hate about the loco hauled replacement is how incredibly slow it is.  It is something like 30 minutes slower than the all stops ICEtrain between caboolture and gympie north
  phil_48 Chief Train Controller

Location: Wynnum North
Even slower north of Gympie North for the DEL's due to the many 40 and 50km curves.
  phil_48 Chief Train Controller

Location: Wynnum North
Even slower north of Gympie North for the DEL's due to the many 40 and 50km curves.
  tazzer96 Assistant Commissioner

Even slower north of Gympie North for the DEL's due to the many 40 and 50km curves.
phil_48
Between gympie and caboolture its not the curves slowing it down much, but pulling over into every 2nd loop to allow another train to pass.  

North of gympie the curves aren't too bad.
  tazzer96 Assistant Commissioner

Update.  The Tilt train replacement is no more, for the time being.  
The second electric tilt has re-entered service.   With a daily up service from rockhampton, 8 down services a week to rockhampton.   5 up services a week from bundaberg and 4 down services to bundaberg a week.  

This service, along with the transwa's prospectors are the only two long distance train services in the nation that are time-competitive with private transport.
  bevans Site Admin
  SEMartin Chief Train Controller

Location: Canberra ACT
...along with the overhauled and refreshed train, a more consistent and efficient timetable would also be introduced from Monday, September 4.

"To keep Queenslanders moving throughout this major overhaul, we refurbished one Tilt Train at a time and introduced a diesel replacement train to help service the Bundaberg and Rockhampton regions in the interim,” Mr Easy said.

"Now that both trains have completed their mid-life overhaul and will once again be in service simultaneously, we will run to a consistent timetable that reflects the significant improvement to journey times.

"Timetabled journeys between Brisbane and Bundaberg temporarily serviced by the diesel replacement train will be reduced from over six hours to around four and a half, while the trip between Brisbane and Rockhampton will reduce from over 10 hours to less than eight.
QR CEO Nick Easy said...
The triumph of spin over substance. Returning the service back to pre-refurbishment timetables isn't a 'significant improvement to journey times'. Returning the ETT to it's original flat 7-hour timing between Rockhampton and Brisbane would be a significant improvement to journey times though.
  tazzer96 Assistant Commissioner

...along with the overhauled and refreshed train, a more consistent and efficient timetable would also be introduced from Monday, September 4.

"To keep Queenslanders moving throughout this major overhaul, we refurbished one Tilt Train at a time and introduced a diesel replacement train to help service the Bundaberg and Rockhampton regions in the interim,” Mr Easy said.

"Now that both trains have completed their mid-life overhaul and will once again be in service simultaneously, we will run to a consistent timetable that reflects the significant improvement to journey times.

"Timetabled journeys between Brisbane and Bundaberg temporarily serviced by the diesel replacement train will be reduced from over six hours to around four and a half, while the trip between Brisbane and Rockhampton will reduce from over 10 hours to less than eight.
The triumph of spin over substance. Returning the service back to pre-refurbishment timetables isn't a 'significant improvement to journey times'. Returning the ETT to it's original flat 7-hour timing between Rockhampton and Brisbane would be a significant improvement to journey times though.
SEMartin
While partially true.   It won't return to a sub 7 hour journey until the nambour realignment is completed.   Simply too much traffic and too much time spent in loops.
  Seanok80 Beginner

I was lucky enough to travel on P301 (behind DEL 2490) on thursday to bundaberg and back on the final P902 on sunday (behind DEL 2413) great journey both ways,  im curious though,  was there an operational reason P301 was held at Palmwoods for approx 45mins for a NORTHBOUND nambour train?  Just didnt make any sense.

The onboard traveltrain staff were famtastic,  i can't speak highly enough of them,  a few comments from fellow passengers who seem to wonder why dont they keep this for at least the bundaberg service,  we had a nice club car,  to sit down and mingle with other passengers and some of the sitters had showers,  the electric tilt has NEITHER,  surely this service could be kept in some form..

Had best location staying at the vira milasol hotel across from the station, great spot for a rail fan to stay Smile
  tazzer96 Assistant Commissioner

I was lucky enough to travel on P301 (behind DEL 2490) on thursday to bundaberg and back on the final P902 on sunday (behind DEL 2413) great journey both ways,  im curious though,  was there an operational reason P301 was held at Palmwoods for approx 45mins for a NORTHBOUND nambour train?  Just didnt make any sense.

The onboard traveltrain staff were famtastic,  i can't speak highly enough of them,  a few comments from fellow passengers who seem to wonder why dont they keep this for at least the bundaberg service,  we had a nice club car,  to sit down and mingle with other passengers and some of the sitters had showers,  the electric tilt has NEITHER,  surely this service could be kept in some form..

Had best location staying at the vira milasol hotel across from the station, great spot for a rail fan to stay Smile
Seanok80
No, get rid of the loco hauled services as quick as possible.  Not only is the Tilt replacement a lot slower (i mean alot slower).   It also has a lower passenger capacity and accessability issues   It is also a lot more expensive to run. This is a intercity transport service, not a hotel on wheels.  

Many reasons why it could have been held at palmwoods, and all of them wouldn't exist if the duplication was completed.   Could be a southbound service has to backtrack to allow the northbound service you passed to use the platform at eudlo.  Maybe a freight had to pass, or even a passenger service to overtake a frieght.    Just remember that landsborough cannot be used as a crossing point due to regular passenger services being timetabled to cross there.

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