Murray Basin standardisation

 
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Either way Mildura is fantasyland for anything other than a good quality sit up train and I wonder if Sydney would be any better especially given low cost airfares.
YM-Mundrabilla
Which makes me think it can't work in Australia full-stop; you would think if an overnight hotel model worked then we'd already have it Sydney/Melbourne.

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  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line

And to really pump the figures Confused

Hopetoun - 555

BigShunter.
BigShunter

Err...Hopetoun is on the former Patchewollock line.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Either way Mildura is fantasyland for anything other than a good quality sit up train and I wonder if Sydney would be any better especially given low cost airfares.
Which makes me think it can't work in Australia full-stop; you would think if an overnight hotel model worked then we'd already have it Sydney/Melbourne.
don_dunstan

We already know the NE line is stuffed as per evidence provided by a V/Line driver who posts in these pages.

If a future overnight niche sleeping car service is to be launched...we don't want to be 'launching' pax out of their beds on the track as it currently operates as 'fit for purpose' according to ARTC.

Mike.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
My only other thought on the subject is that the VIC government could pay a consortium of preservation operations to run semi-regular tours; perhaps assist with converting some rolling-stock to standard gauge to increase the reach of the preserved rail. Maybe even a purpose-built depot/workshop somewhere in Victoria that has standard and broad access? With regards to tours; I know they already do this successfully with DERM's recently on tour for the last broad gauge passenger train to Mildura and these are not government subsidised.

I'm thinking of some consists that are already set up for the aforementioned Mildura trip, fully set out with modern equipment to allow them to run safely on a 21st century main-line.

When you really look into the money that's spent on keeping the Overland going (one return train twice a week/around ten million over three years) I'm certain that some well-targeted money could go a long way to increasing the presence of preserved VR/Australian history across Victoria.
  BigShunter Chief Train Controller

Location: St Clair. S.A.

And to really pump the figures Confused

Hopetoun - 555

BigShunter.
Err...Hopetoun is on the former Patchewollock line.
The Vinelander
Errr... I included Hopetoun because it is close to Lascelles and vaguely used it as a further catchment. I said I lived in the area for quite some time and are quite familiar of the location and size of towns.

BigShunter.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

The 4,000 was not an accurate figure as I was going off numbers from my memory of only a couple of those towns you mentioned but even 8,000 is chicken feed and while I realise this statement I am about to make might not be popular. Buses are of more value for the low numbers that would use PT from these towns then a train.

The reason why I use the Dubbo numbers is because that is the sort of numbers needed to make a rail service viable in NSW and it wouldn't be much more different in other states as well. Trains need lots and lots of numbers to be viable or else it becomes an extreme waste of money and resources. Using the excuse of afraid to fly is no excuse.
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
Ok oK enough chat about passenger rail to Mildura.

Contracts announced for the conversion works

http://minister.infrastructure.gov.au/chester/releases/2017/june/dc186_2017.aspx

Winner is McConnell Dowell Martinus Rail joint venture.
  mikesyd Chief Commissioner

Location: no longer in Sydney
Ok oK enough chat about passenger rail to Mildura.

Contracts announced for the conversion works

http://minister.infrastructure.gov.au/chester/releases/2017/june/dc186_2017.aspx

Winner is McConnell Dowell Martinus Rail joint venture.
james.au
"Construction will begin in the coming weeks"Rolling Eyes
  Radioman Train Controller

Dear Don and others ,

the Overland service has a very low profile , so clearly GSR is not interested . I often wonder if V Line could run a better and cheaper service and a schedule that is faster than the current equivalent 19th century time schedule.

I am also a bit dubious of preserved scheduled running by enthusiast because ultimately that relies on there being a sufficient volunteers being available to cover the required schedule. However i am open to convinced otherwise on this point,

Regards, Radioman
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

Ok oK enough chat about passenger rail to Mildura.

Contracts announced for the conversion works

http://minister.infrastructure.gov.au/chester/releases/2017/june/dc186_2017.aspx

Winner is McConnell Dowell Martinus Rail joint venture.
james.au

Agreed. The standardisation is for freight purposes and should hopefully reduce costs in moving product to port.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Dear Don and others ,

the Overland service has a very low profile , so clearly GSR is not interested . I often wonder if V Line could run a better and cheaper service and a schedule that is faster than the current equivalent 19th century time schedule.

I am also a bit dubious of preserved scheduled running by enthusiast because ultimately that relies on there being a sufficient volunteers being available to cover the required schedule. However i am open to convinced otherwise on this point,

Regards, Radioman
Radioman
Radioman, there have been long-running threads on this very topic with no resolution. It's been suggested multiple times that V/line should be contracted to run the service rather than GSR - which is more or less a tourist operation not suited to providing a public service to the Western District.

One of the most salient issues is the break-of-gauge at Ararat meaning that the train can't go along the route it traditionally took for around 110 years via Ballarat. As an infrequent user of the service in the past it doesn't suit me because I (along with other potential customers) need to get to Ballarat rather than diving south to Geelong as it presently does. Until that's resolved I suspect nothing will change.
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

Ok oK enough chat about passenger rail to Mildura.

Contracts announced for the conversion works

http://minister.infrastructure.gov.au/chester/releases/2017/june/dc186_2017.aspx

Winner is McConnell Dowell Martinus Rail joint venture.
"Construction will begin in the coming weeks"Rolling Eyes
mikesyd
Ararat - Maryborough rebuild starts in July, Yelta - Dunolly in Mid-August.

Interesting to note some realignment with staging.  Maryborough to Warrenheip dual-gauging will happen separately to Warrenheip-Gheringhap regauging, so it's likely that SG trains will be required to go through Ararat for a longer period.
https://corporate.vline.com.au/murraybasinrail

That raises the possibility of Maryborough-Ballarat being SG only?  Timing around 2018 Election perhaps?
  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: Scoping a preliminary feasibility study
Sounds more like they still haven't quite figured out how to get SG/DG through Ballarat, so they're giving that bit some more time.
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
Would having SG only Ballarat to Maryborough be a problem really?

Also do Ararat to Ballarat on SG also making it all so simple and have the Vlocity cars managed out of Ballarat for the regional services being proposed. North Geelong to Maryborough Vlocity?
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

Would having SG only Ballarat to Maryborough be a problem really?

Also do Ararat to Ballarat on SG also making it all so simple and have the Vlocity cars managed out of Ballarat for the regional services being proposed. North Geelong to Maryborough Vlocity?
x31
I'm waiting for a 2018 election announcement in the meantime....

Anyway, it wouldn't surprise me if Warrenheip-Ballarat (South track) ends up being gauntlet track to maintain decent speeds for BG passenger trains.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
You would have to check the loading gauge clearance of the South track for gauntlet track to work.

Queens Street North stone road overpass may pose a problem ?
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
Would having SG only Ballarat to Maryborough be a problem really?

Also do Ararat to Ballarat on SG also making it all so simple and have the Vlocity cars managed out of Ballarat for the regional services being proposed. North Geelong to Maryborough Vlocity?
I'm waiting for a 2018 election announcement in the meantime....

Anyway, it wouldn't surprise me if Warrenheip-Ballarat (South track) ends up being gauntlet track to maintain decent speeds for BG passenger trains.
Carnot

What does this mean?
  BigShunter Chief Train Controller

Location: St Clair. S.A.
This is from the media, release and a few interesting statement's.

The upgrade will allow the Murray Basin region to increase exports to Victoria’s major ports in Portland, Geelong and Melbourne.

I have felt that the Port of Portland has been totally underutilised and the last time i mentioned it, I think it was Bingley, who seemed to have a bit of inside knowledge of the working, there, said the operators at Portland, seemed to be not particularly interested in the export of grain.
So I wonder, with the above statement, are the Govt going to offer some sort of incentive or perhaps subsidy, to increase export volumes or was it just a sound good, full of hot air statement ?

Quotes attributable to Feral Minister for Infrastructure and Transport Darren Chester

“Once the Murray Basin Rail Project is completed, trains on the freight network will be able to carry more product, more often.”
“There will be huge benefits to the Australian economy, with the project supporting an increase in competition between the three ports and operators of freight trains and increasing export volumes to overseas markets.”  

Again, he specifically says, competition between the three ports.

Quotes attributable to Victorian Acting Minister for Pubic Transport Luke Donnellan

"This huge project will make it easier for primary producers to get their goods to market -- boosting exports, supporting local jobs and growing our regional economy.”
“This project will create more than 400 jobs at peak construction, with at least 15 per cent of this workforce being recruited from the Murray Basin region.”


Nice piece of chest beating.

So we will see some action shortly and watch it all unfold.

BigShunter.
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
This is from the media, release and a few interesting statement's.

The upgrade will allow the Murray Basin region to increase exports to Victoria’s major ports in Portland, Geelong and Melbourne.
BigShunter

The quotes about the ports are reiterating what is in the business case.  I wouldnt read too much more into them other than what the business case says at this time.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
I remember seeing several big signs on farmers fences stating "KEEP OUR ROADS OPEN" around the Homebush area.
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

Would having SG only Ballarat to Maryborough be a problem really?

Also do Ararat to Ballarat on SG also making it all so simple and have the Vlocity cars managed out of Ballarat for the regional services being proposed. North Geelong to Maryborough Vlocity?
I'm waiting for a 2018 election announcement in the meantime....

Anyway, it wouldn't surprise me if Warrenheip-Ballarat (South track) ends up being gauntlet track to maintain decent speeds for BG passenger trains.
Carnot
No gauntlet track, South Line  will be dual gauge .  If Up bg trains use South dual gauge line even with 80kmh limit, any loss of time will me minimal .  Of course "Nanny State"  VLP could  review their 80 kmh bg SR on dg track, given over 30 years of bg operation on dg track there has never been any issue . So  90 to 100kmh on bg on dg track may be possibel in the light of Victorian experience .
  mikesyd Chief Commissioner

Location: no longer in Sydney
I drove down the highway from Avoca to Ararat last Thursday, and evidence of some recent clearing of undergrowth near some level crossings was the only sign of any work. A very large stock of Concrete Sleepers has been stockpiled on a site that fronts Grano Street in Ararat just on the west side of the soon to be reactivated level crossing. There is also a lot of 'dongas' set up near the old Loco Depot water tanks - possibly to become a workers camp.
  BigShunter Chief Train Controller

Location: St Clair. S.A.
Had to laugh at those Clown's at the ABC, again, they've got a passenger train to Murrayville ! ShockedRolling Eyes

And if you want to see it, you better be quick, a bahhhhh im laughing my brains out.

Do they actually get anything correct ?

https://www.facebook.com/abcwesternvic/photos/a.119616014725077.15679.119588958061116/1595902003763130/?type=3

BigShunter.
  BigShunter Chief Train Controller

Location: St Clair. S.A.
Had to laugh at those Clown's at the ABC, again, they've got a passenger train to Murrayville ! ShockedRolling Eyes

And if you want to see it, you better be quick, a bahhhhh im laughing my brains out.

Do they actually get anything correct ?

https://www.facebook.com/abcwesternvic/photos/a.119616014725077.15679.119588958061116/1595902003763130/?type=3

BigShunter.

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