XPT Replacement Discussion

 
  tazzer96 Assistant Commissioner

It is not a political issue at all and if it stopped at Casino nothing would happen politically. It would upset a few train enthusiasts but politically it would have no effect at all. If the Murwillumbah line which was significantly more popular then the Brisbane train can be cancelled then the service to Brisbane is a no brainer.

As I have stated many times previously. I believe that with the new rolling stock the Melbourne and Brisbane services will be cancelled and more focus on rail for NSW towns will be looked at. This will come in upgraded services to Canberra, Dubbo, Griffith, Armidale, Moree and the North Coast. The western country towns of Bathurst, Dubbo, Orange and Parkes especially are crying out for more rail services.

This is why the focus is coming off an XPT replacement and more towards a train that can better serve these communities.
simstrain
Murwillumbah services were so popular because of the buses that went to brisbane and the gold coast.   Lismore was a fairly popular stop, but byron and murwillumby weren't.   The murwillumbah service got cancelled because they closed the entire line, it wasn't the service that wasn't popular, it was due to that one passenger train per day couldn't justify keeping a 150km railway line open, especially when it had been neglected for so long.  Brisbane is a popular enough destination that it will keep on going.   Once they announce a bus then votes are lost at the state level but its the councils that have to put up with all the pain of the buses and the community outrage.

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  a6et Minister for Railways

It is not a political issue at all and if it stopped at Casino nothing would happen politically. It would upset a few train enthusiasts but politically it would have no effect at all. If the Murwillumbah line which was significantly more popular then the Brisbane train can be cancelled then the service to Brisbane is a no brainer.

As I have stated many times previously. I believe that with the new rolling stock the Melbourne and Brisbane services will be cancelled and more focus on rail for NSW towns will be looked at. This will come in upgraded services to Canberra, Dubbo, Griffith, Armidale, Moree and the North Coast. The western country towns of Bathurst, Dubbo, Orange and Parkes especially are crying out for more rail services.

This is why the focus is coming off an XPT replacement and more towards a train that can better serve these communities.
simstrain
The big issue for many people who still use the NCL XPT, is the stupid timetabling owing to the QLD Government or whoever has forced the timetable changes on it.  Since the alterations its much more inconvenient to many people and why the trains are so poorly patronised these days.

I have suggested that if the XPT could arrive at South Brisbane as it used to do at sensible times along with similar departures, with some convenient connections to QR services then patronage would more than likely pick up again.  For those traveling by bus ex Casino its an unpleasant time to get off the train, and get onto the buses even when running on time, its a 20 minute wait after the XPT arrives and departs before the buses get going, by that time the XPT is 10 minutes shy of Kyogle.  The need to fuel the XPT at Grafton both directions adds to the overall running times as well, something that could be avoided if a terminus was built at Sth Brisbane and fuel was taken there during the change over period, as used to be the case at Roma St.

Whatever the replacement sets are, and assume they are the same concept as the XPT, then all that's needed is a dead end siding that can hold 7 cars plus two power cars, or with some sense go round figures and make it long enough for 8 plus 2.
  RTT_Rules The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Dubai UAE
The big issue for many people who still use the NCL XPT, is the stupid timetabling owing to the QLD Government or whoever has forced the timetable changes on it.  Since the alterations its much more inconvenient to many people and why the trains are so poorly patronised these days.

I have suggested that if the XPT could arrive at South Brisbane as it used to do at sensible times along with similar departures, with some convenient connections to QR services then patronage would more than likely pick up again.  For those traveling by bus ex Casino its an unpleasant time to get off the train, and get onto the buses even when running on time, its a 20 minute wait after the XPT arrives and departs before the buses get going, by that time the XPT is 10 minutes shy of Kyogle.  The need to fuel the XPT at Grafton both directions adds to the overall running times as well, something that could be avoided if a terminus was built at Sth Brisbane and fuel was taken there during the change over period, as used to be the case at Roma St.

Whatever the replacement sets are, and assume they are the same concept as the XPT, then all that's needed is a dead end siding that can hold 7 cars plus two power cars, or with some sense go round figures and make it long enough for 8 plus 2.
a6et
The Qld's govt's hand was forced by growth on the Brisbane Surburban network, mainly the Gold Coast traffic. For those who don't read the Qld section or follow Quirky Rail happenings, the GC line was built in the mid 90's as mostly single track, the expectation was 1 train per hour off peak, 2-3 in peak. The last remaining and costly section of single track is being duplicated now. The aim being 4 or more peak services per hour. The new bottle neck is ironically the same piece of track the XPT uses and the city section north of South Brisbane. So we need to stop throwing $hit at the Qld govt over this, it was going to happen sooner or later.

The NSW govt is as much part of the problem as NSW was either sleeping or didn't give a Crap that this was going to happen as I'm sure QR/QT/QG would have raised the XPT issue numerous times in previous years. Note again, NSW does not timetable any XPT to run in peak flow in Sydney.

The problem for the NSW govt is that they don't have enough train sets to service Brisbane properly (friendly hours). The 14hr run brings it in conflict with either Sydney or Brisbane peak traffic one way or another unless it has a elongated stopover in Brisbane and currently they cannot afford to do that. They need more trains, pure and simple. The new train could be timetabled to arrive prior to peak, say 6:30am (similar time the lander services were previously timetabled to arrive from Qld North Coast line for similar reasons), but it has to wait until after 9am to leave. Even using South Brisbane forces this.

Had the XPT/XPL fleets been a common interchangeable type, the issue could be resolved with the existing stock, but they are not and so it cannot.

Despite the loss of users, likely expected by Countrylink and why they did nothing, nothing will change until the new trains arrive and only then will we know if the NSW govt has tried to resolve the issue by allowing an elongated stop over.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

Many of you don't seem to realise where the NSW election is won and loss. It is won in Newcastle, Sydney and Wollongong since that is where most of NSW's population resides. The other areas are just icing on the cake. Some of you think that the NSW government have a responsibility to run a service to Brisbane when it does not. The Melbourne and Brisbane trains are taking resources away from running more frequent trains to other parts of NSW.

Cancelling the Brisbane train will do nothing to lose an election because Queenslander's don't vote in NSW elections. Areas such as where the Dubbo XPT and the Moree and Armidale xplorer go are helpful in that they can bolster Labor or the nationals position but cancelling a train to Brisbane isn't going to cost either party an election in NSW. NSW's is building hospitals, roads and other infrastructure to make life easier along the north coast and nobody from the north coast region have any need to travel to Brisbane except for occasional sporting events.

New rolling stock to handle regional services and possibly allow an expansion of services just beyond the overhead would be really popular within these areas. Interstate rail travel will soon be a thing of the past and more frequent regional services to Newcastle and Sydney will be in their place. These new trains will be of a significant number and they will be used to bring the DD's back to Mt Victoria and provide more frequent Bathurst services which means they need to have overhead and a diesel engine /generator. This is why they will need to be of class 800 capabilities.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

RTT, I'm not blaming the QLD government but my point is that because of the expansion of the Brisbane system the XPT makes no sense going to Brisbane any more. Brisbane's suburban network at 52 million a year and growing is much more important then the small amount of people going to Brisbane by train on the XPT. If people in the far north coast of NSW want to get to Brisbane then they just need to get a train from the Gold Coast.

There is no chance at the moment of running regional trains in peak hour in Sydney which is growing significantly and rose to 324.7 million passengers in 2016/17 and that doesn't include the intercity services which are 30 million a year. The metro's might free up capacity in the future on the existing lines to allow regional trains in the peak hour but that is at least 15 years away.

The new regional rolling stock will not be for interstate travel and will not be XPT like in function. It is being designed to replace the XPT on Dubbo, Casino and Grafton services and the Xplorer on Armidale, Moree, Broken Hill, Canberra and Griffith services. Melbourne is not going to receive new rolling stock services but is likely to continue receiving XPT services until they fall apart. Albury will then receive new rolling stock services. The Xplorers are likely to be rolled into the nsw trainlink intercity network duty.

The other option is for more hunter railcars to be built for diesel intercity services and the endeavours to be converted to xplorers to replace the XPT to Dubbo.
  djf01 Chief Commissioner

I also find it strange that you seem to indicate cuts to the busiest trains which actually have reasonable speeds?
RTT_Rules

That sounds like the NSW Government to me Smile.
  RTT_Rules The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Dubai UAE
RTT, I'm not blaming the QLD government but my point is that because of the expansion of the Brisbane system the XPT makes no sense going to Brisbane any more. Brisbane's suburban network at 52 million a year and growing is much more important then the small amount of people going to Brisbane by train on the XPT. If people in the far north coast of NSW want to get to Brisbane then they just need to get a train from the Gold Coast.

There is no chance at the moment of running regional trains in peak hour in Sydney which is growing significantly and rose to 324.7 million passengers in 2016/17 and that doesn't include the intercity services which are 30 million a year. The metro's might free up capacity in the future on the existing lines to allow regional trains in the peak hour but that is at least 15 years away.

The new regional rolling stock will not be for interstate travel and will not be XPT like in function. It is being designed to replace the XPT on Dubbo, Casino and Grafton services and the Xplorer on Armidale, Moree, Broken Hill, Canberra and Griffith services. Melbourne is not going to receive new rolling stock services but is likely to continue receiving XPT services until they fall apart. Albury will then receive new rolling stock services. The Xplorers are likely to be rolled into the nsw trainlink intercity network duty.

The other option is for more hunter railcars to be built for diesel intercity services and the endeavours to be converted to xplorers to replace the XPT to Dubbo.
simstrain
I think we can all agree (finally) that trying to run regional services on tracks used by peak services in any city is not a good idea, however the volume of regional services does not justify the infrastructure expense to resolve the issue.

You haven't stated if the above comments are rumors or your view, I suspect they are your view only.

Ironically again the Grafton/Casino XPT has the same or similar travel time to Melbourne so if its good to head north its good to head south.  

The Melbourne XPT would move more per day than Dubbo and NW combined, so I highly doubt we will see this service curtailed or left to rot in outdated rolling stock while these other areas get new fangled trains.

Again ironically NSW could add another return service a day, say Wagga or reasonable timed services to Brisbane using the spare XPT EC rolling stock (some converted to other classes) if it had two more driver cars.

Again ironically NSW could add another return service a day, say Dubbo using the low uterlisation XPL rolling stock had it been interchangeable with XPT rolling stock.  

The issue with most services such as Canberra and Melbourne is that running more services is unlikely to make the current trains longer or shorter, but just fill additional trains to similar loading capacities. What is limiting train length (my belief) is the slow travel time of the current services) compared to other options for the price.  


- On a like for like basis, you could buy two extra sets and run a daily train from Albury or Wagga to Sydney and Dubbo and return running, thus allowing the current train to run Dub-Syd-Dub. This would improve the popular south main and western line.

- Brisbane's issues would be resolved with just converting the XPT and XPL's into one fleet and thus uterlising the spare time in the NW service. ie leave at 7pm at night Syd, arrive Brisbane 9-9:30am, leave Brisbane 4pm just before the peak and arrive Sydney 6:30am. On arrival in Sydney the set could be serviced, leave for NW after peak. Likewise the returning NW service could be available for the Brisbane train.  This could be done with 2 x 3 car DMU sets coupled together.

- Canberra needs another set for 4.5 services a day, 2 sets for 6 services, I doubt the later will happen.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

Those aren't my views, it is what I am hearing from certain areas of political influence. My personal view is that we need to rebuild the rail lines so that Melbourne is a 5 hour service instead of an 11 hour service and for QLD to convert it's entire network to SG from NG so that a rebuilt northern / north coast line becomes much more viable for passenger and freight services.

The main problem with regional passenger trains is that it doesn't matter how many sets you have if the journey times means that a passenger in a train is spending significantly longer times in it then they want to vs other modes of transport.
  a6et Minister for Railways

The big issue for many people who still use the NCL XPT, is the stupid timetabling owing to the QLD Government or whoever has forced the timetable changes on it.  Since the alterations its much more inconvenient to many people and why the trains are so poorly patronised these days.

I have suggested that if the XPT could arrive at South Brisbane as it used to do at sensible times along with similar departures, with some convenient connections to QR services then patronage would more than likely pick up again.  For those traveling by bus ex Casino its an unpleasant time to get off the train, and get onto the buses even when running on time, its a 20 minute wait after the XPT arrives and departs before the buses get going, by that time the XPT is 10 minutes shy of Kyogle.  The need to fuel the XPT at Grafton both directions adds to the overall running times as well, something that could be avoided if a terminus was built at Sth Brisbane and fuel was taken there during the change over period, as used to be the case at Roma St.

Whatever the replacement sets are, and assume they are the same concept as the XPT, then all that's needed is a dead end siding that can hold 7 cars plus two power cars, or with some sense go round figures and make it long enough for 8 plus 2.
The Qld's govt's hand was forced by growth on the Brisbane Surburban network, mainly the Gold Coast traffic. For those who don't read the Qld section or follow Quirky Rail happenings, the GC line was built in the mid 90's as mostly single track, the expectation was 1 train per hour off peak, 2-3 in peak. The last remaining and costly section of single track is being duplicated now. The aim being 4 or more peak services per hour. The new bottle neck is ironically the same piece of track the XPT uses and the city section north of South Brisbane. So we need to stop throwing $hit at the Qld govt over this, it was going to happen sooner or later.

The NSW govt is as much part of the problem as NSW was either sleeping or didn't give a Crap that this was going to happen as I'm sure QR/QT/QG would have raised the XPT issue numerous times in previous years. Note again, NSW does not timetable any XPT to run in peak flow in Sydney.

The problem for the NSW govt is that they don't have enough train sets to service Brisbane properly (friendly hours). The 14hr run brings it in conflict with either Sydney or Brisbane peak traffic one way or another unless it has a elongated stopover in Brisbane and currently they cannot afford to do that. They need more trains, pure and simple. The new train could be timetabled to arrive prior to peak, say 6:30am (similar time the lander services were previously timetabled to arrive from Qld North Coast line for similar reasons), but it has to wait until after 9am to leave. Even using South Brisbane forces this.

Had the XPT/XPL fleets been a common interchangeable type, the issue could be resolved with the existing stock, but they are not and so it cannot.

Despite the loss of users, likely expected by Countrylink and why they did nothing, nothing will change until the new trains arrive and only then will we know if the NSW govt has tried to resolve the issue by allowing an elongated stop over.
RTT_Rules
If the issue is not the QLD government's in regard to the affected section that is in question, whose is it? Blame cannot be shirted to NSW wholly but perhaps some can be, but the procrastination north of the border of putting the issue of a new bridge is a fact of need so who pays for it? Feds, NSW government or Qld Government?

When the XPT ran into Roma St and prior to that the LTD with its half sleeper and sitting train along with motorail was doing ok, the aspect of needed extra paths owing to more people using commuter rail is a fact of life for all major capitals and Sydney along with Brisbane are unique in their own ways.  The problem is not just rail confined when one looks at the road congestion in both areas, but each state government seems more desirous of election betting on doing things for roads rather than rail. The current NSW government is heading towards a world class toll road set up as being the worlds highest charged and used toll road anywhere, motorists cannot get out of the cars as the trains are already over 100% capacity on most lines, so its the proverbial dog and tail situation.

Seems though with Brisbane and IIRC they were ones that wanted an interstate train to operate into Roma st but have they tried to work with the time table areas? Thing that works against the XPT is if its late, so every effort has to be made to get it into the area at a time that a late service wont impact other services in the QR system, fair enough at that. But, it still comes back to those who travel to Brisbane by rail are not getting a service that is really convenient to say the least, after all enduring 14 hours sitting up is not a pleasant experience and to walk around is more akin to being thrown around and against seats, on a constant basis.

So lets withdraw the service and the governments are in the clear, what they set out to do is achieved.  NSW, the old Acronym of Newcastle Sydney Wollongong is raised as they are the only places considered by the governments owing to elections and getting voted in.  Yet seriously, how far out of each of those city named places do the people travel from/to, to each location, seriously they are more than those 3 locations and while many in the bush see those areas getting great services and money spent on them, the voters in those regions all deserve a say in what they would like to get from their elected reps. The NC area around the Lismore and further up are very much swinging seats both state and Federal which gives some sort of reasoning to push for the feds to do something about a suburban bridge over a river in Brisbane.

More trains could be run into Central then do so now with a bit of work in Sydney yard, which would mean more trains could arrive and depart from there in the peak hours than do now, the boffins cannot see it because of simplicity but, they have lost some of the ground that could have been used as well, but its not beyond being able to be reclaimed even in part, if the desire is/was there.

Same with train types, how many passengers who travel on rural and interstate services are asked what they want? that includes travel times, train accomodations and facilities/services? ask the parrots in MacQuarie st and they say the listen to the people, but refuse to say who they are that they listen to. Great system.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

This current NSW government is also spending $30+ billion on a new metro system to increase rail capacity, so don't focus solely on westconnex and say this government is doing nothing for PT. This new regional fleet is a big investment and focus needs to go on where it should run and cutting the Brisbane XPT service to Casino is not a vote loser.

There is less and less need for people on the north coast line to travel to Brisbane for anything. Every major town has it's own shopping centres, fast food outlets, cinemas and other amenities and are connected by a significantly upgraded pacific highway to Brisbane, the Gold Coast and each other.

Cutting to Casino will save 6 hours on total journey time and allow easier timetabling in Sydney and will free Brisbane of the need to accommodate 1 train from Sydney a day.

Regional folk should be happy that they have train services at all. Trains in regional areas don't solve any congestion issues that the city trains solve and pensioners get 2 free tickets a year which means most of the nsw trainlink regional services barely have any actual paying customers. It is a huge loss making exercise purely to make regional folk happy. So yeah the NSW Government is looking into cutting back certain services and looking at how regional trains could be more profitable and the new fleet will represent this.
  RTT_Rules The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Dubai UAE
In the early 90's the Qld  govt wanted Sydney trains to run to Roma Street, maybe back then even in peak it wasn't a drama and rail was far more popular than today. Roma Street up until a few years back still had the motorrail unloading, so it gives you an idea on how long ago that was and hence times have changed.

Is it the Qld govts fault the XPT can no longer run into/out of Brisbane in peak? Hardly. Would you allow the XPT run reverse road across the Sydney Harbor bridge in peak, no, so why expect that in Brisbane. Sydney long ago shifted its country services out of peak, so did Brisbane NG country services. The XPT's timetable was just something not easy to change and hence it wasn't until its existence could no longer be tolerated. You could not expect the govt to fund a major upgrade of 15km of track costing billions for 1 country train a day. The issue for the delay in building the CRR is not linked to the XPT.

The fact is like every other regional service arriving in Sydney and Brisbane, it simply needs to be shifted out of peak where it belongs and the main reason they couldn't do it was because of mostly the overworked XPT timetable.

The issues with traffic into and out of Sydney Terminal in peak is more driven by bottles necks on the major arteries that get the trains to Central.  Yes Sydney Terminal yard is a mess and needs an investment to sort out the track layouts, but its not the be all to increasing interurban and regional services.

Sim's argument that people on the NC don't or don't need to access Brisbane is rubbish. The more people that live in these booming areas the more that need to go to the capital. Don't forget the NC is a retirement area and hence medical is probably a major factor to go apart from shopping, entertainment etc. Likewise same for people I know who lived at Albury, they travel to Melbourne because its closer.  

Every day there is a mostly full Tilt Train running from Bundberg to Brisbane (360km) arriving after 9AM and leaving Brisbane after 5 PM, there is no reason a train doing the same thing from Coffs Harbour (390km to Brisbane vs 530km to Sydney) would be any less uterlised if available and the run time was reasonable.

The simple answer is the NSW is cashed up and will continue to remain so as forecast for a number of years to come. NSW can very easily afford to replace the XPL and XPT fleets to one standard fleet to replace all the current services on a like for like basis AND improve the timetables in either frequency and/or practicality.  The NSW govt's biggest issue is not money, its resources to actually spend that money without wasting it on poorly researched procurement projects, ie repeat many of Qld's mistakes from the mining boom. So far most the NSW govt seems to be doing ok in this regard.

There are a few options to improve Brisbane whether its 1 service a day or 2, but lets stick the current 1.
- Run Night trains only. ie leave Sydney after PM peak, arrive Brisbane after AM peak and reverse before Brisbane PM Peak arrive Sydney before AM peak.
- Run Day service only, leave Sydney before AM peak arrive Brisbane after PM peak, depart Brisbane before AM peak and arrive Sydney after PM peak.  

Both services require 6-8hr layover in Brisbane, but this currently occurs with Grafton XPT and NW XPL so if you have the rolling stock, so what?

Once you get into the options like now trying to go up and back with a 1hr turnaround you have timetabling issues like now and end up with stupid arrival/depart times.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

Where is the XPT going to stable for 6-8 hours in Roma street RTT? The XPT can only stay for 1 hour because that is all that is possible before that platform is needed for something else. Your solution therefore is not possible. Roma street is not a major terminus station like Central is. In fact I think it only has 1 terminus platform looking at it on Google Earth.

For medical most towns on the north coast have their own hospitals and if they do need to head to a major hospital across the border it is to the gold coast and not Brisbane. The car travel time is that short now that youngsters will drive for work. Helicopters and planes mean that patients can be flown to Newcastle or Sydney if necessary.

In regards to the fleet it isn't about can NSW afford it because we can of course. It is about how are we going to use them and if we do buy them then how long before the rigours of the Vic NE destroy the trains and we need to buy more new trains. The new equipment being installed on the XPT's for monitoring will play a large role in determining what happens. The NSW Government isn't going to spend money on a new fleet if the ARTC aren't going to fix all the mud holes in their track.
  BDA Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
I think you'd find that ARTC may have an issue with CL/NSW Trains whatever treating the NCL like they can claim a path from one end to the other as they please . CL is not the majority user and its access fees wouldn't come close to what the freight operators combined pay .

Um another thing , if NSW is so cashed up why are they not paying squillions to have the NCL better than the steam/stone age alignment disgrace it is ?

Maybe state elections need to be more frequent ...
  RTT_Rules The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Dubai UAE
Where is the XPT going to stable for 6-8 hours in Roma street RTT? The XPT can only stay for 1 hour because that is all that is possible before that platform is needed for something else. Your solution therefore is not possible. Roma street is not a major terminus station like Central is. In fact I think it only has 1 terminus platform looking at it on Google Earth.

For medical most towns on the north coast have their own hospitals and if they do need to head to a major hospital across the border it is to the gold coast and not Brisbane. The car travel time is that short now that youngsters will drive for work. Helicopters and planes mean that patients can be flown to Newcastle or Sydney if necessary.

In regards to the fleet it isn't about can NSW afford it because we can of course. It is about how are we going to use them and if we do buy them then how long before the rigours of the Vic NE destroy the trains and we need to buy more new trains. The new equipment being installed on the XPT's for monitoring will play a large role in determining what happens. The NSW Government isn't going to spend money on a new fleet if the ARTC aren't going to fix all the mud holes in their track.
simstrain
Have you ever even been to Roma Street Station? If you have you will know that the station is currently used by 3 trains a day, weekdays only nominally (unless things have changed).
1) XPT
2) Just 1 x Doomben service, I'm trying to find out when this actually occurs and why it needs Platform 2.
3) Rocky Tilt train, I believe the 9am'ish arrival, makes sense to use the long distance travel facilities of Platform 2 and prevents a cross path move to get into Platform 10, its usual home.

Also note Platform 2 is very long, from the cross over points for the RTT to enter is 340m to end of platform, the RTT is around 150m long, leaving 190m.

The XPT length I think is 24m per car + 18m for the loco, so 1+6+1 = 180m, however the loco doesn't need the platform and the track has 40-50m past the platform before in conflicts with the line from platform 2 (also rarely used and mostly by trains to/from the airport the other direction) and overall about 440m from the cross overs at the lead of the platform to the 1st set of points that lead to the main line and another 50m to the 2nd set of points. And ironically both the XPT and RTT approach and leave by the opposite direction so they won't foul each other and Plat 2 could be extended to the southern end.

whats your next statement, send the XPT to Plat 1?

So please don't tell me my solution may not work when you don't even know the basics.

You really do not know anything about the medical needs of the elderly or those with complications like Cancer and their needs. The only way you end up in a plane or chopper is if you are seriously in trouble and they go to nearest hospital and not one driven by a political boundry. The Gold Coast hospital is good, but a number of my relatives (elderly and previously Kidney patient) travelled from the Gold Coast to Brisbane which like Sydney's big hospitals has the specialised care. My own hip surgery and my wfe;s knee rebuild was in Brisbane, not the Gold Coast because thats were the specialist worked from, despite being based closer to GC.

You don't drive from Grafton to Brisbane for work daily and who said it was commuter.

Stop trying to dictate the reasons why NSW NC people would want to go to BRisbane and why they shouldn't, let people get on with their own lives for their own reasons.

The NSW tracks and XPT suffered far more under the NSW govt that the Vic NE will ever do. The ARTC is in control of the tracks from Brisbane to Melbourne outside Sydney on the main, the funding to fix the ills of the Vic rail network will take time, like NSW did.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

How did you get to Brisbane for your surgery? Did you drive or take the train?
  RTT_Rules The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Dubai UAE
How did you get to Brisbane for your surgery? Did you drive or take the train?
simstrain
I caught the train down from Gladstone...

You cannot squash yourself into a EC commuter flight seat when you are 6'4" all legs with a torn hip cartilage. Take 60min to sit down and 2hr to stand up again.
  RTT_Rules The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Dubai UAE
I think you'd find that ARTC may have an issue with CL/NSW Trains whatever treating the NCL like they can claim a path from one end to the other as they please . CL is not the majority user and its access fees wouldn't come close to what the freight operators combined pay .

Um another thing , if NSW is so cashed up why are they not paying squillions to have the NCL better than the steam/stone age alignment disgrace it is ?

Maybe state elections need to be more frequent ...
BDA
NSW off-shored its responsibility on the NCL and South main and Hunter when they leased it to the feds. And as they have yet to spend $1 on the interurban lines that they do own and control and get used by 1000 x more than the XPT and are within the bounds of N-S-W, why on earth do you think they would spend $1 on the NCL?
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

How did you get to Brisbane for your surgery? Did you drive or take the train?
I caught the train down from Gladstone...

You cannot squash yourself into a EC commuter flight seat when you are 6'4" all legs with a torn hip cartilage. Take 60min to sit down and 2hr to stand up again.
RTT_Rules

So your talking about north coast QLD and not north coast NSW.

How long is the train trip from Gladstone in time?
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

NSW off-shored its responsibility on the NCL and South main and Hunter when they leased it to the feds. And as they have yet to spend $1 on the interurban lines that they do own and control and get used by 1000 x more than the XPT and are within the bounds of N-S-W, why on earth do you think they would spend $1 on the NCL?
RTT_Rules

The interurban lines get money spent on them. They have track work just like the rest of the Sydney system does. They have had station upgrades and level crossing removals. Gosford has had some upgrades to improve freight movements and their is a plan for a fassifern to hexham freight corridor using old coal lines corridors.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

The fact that we are even talking about a new regional fleet is proof that something is going to be done. The XPT has these new sensors being installed to see exactly the sort of suspension that will be needed for the poor track quality conditions it will have to run on. The planners are just trying to figure out what it is that will be needed. A new intercity fleet has been ordered and should be on the tracks soon as well.
  RTT_Rules The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Dubai UAE
How did you get to Brisbane for your surgery? Did you drive or take the train?
I caught the train down from Gladstone...

You cannot squash yourself into a EC commuter flight seat when you are 6'4" all legs with a torn hip cartilage. Take 60min to sit down and 2hr to stand up again.

So your talking about north coast QLD and not north coast NSW.

How long is the train trip from Gladstone in time?
simstrain
Yes,
Because my city of 30k people didn't have a suitable Dr at the time and 100km up the road Rockhampton with 100k had a 3mth waiting list for the only Dr. Meanwhile in Brisbane the choice was significant and the chosen surgeon only works on hips and knees as his specialty with many Bronco players regular clients. Thats why country people often travel to the big smoke, choice and time.... Note my wife traveled back from India (where we worked in 2010) to have a knee recon with same Dr.

Google is normally a good friend for the 2nd question, however back then was ~6hr, I think its 6.25 now. I travelled in BC, single seat. My wife drove down 2 days later with the dog and new kid and we stayed on the GC hinterland and drove home to Gladstone a week later with same dog and new kid + one mother in law. She drove because the train doesn't take dogs and taxi's are not good for 3month old regarding baby capsule. Any more questions?
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

Google earth didn't give the train travel time.

Was your operation in the public system or private?
  RTT_Rules The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Dubai UAE
Google earth didn't give the train travel time.

Was your operation in the public system or private?
simstrain
Google does

What does it matter? Take a guess from reading my previous post.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

Regardless the NSW government doesn't have to provide a rail service to Brisbane and with Brisbane so close to these north coast towns, why doesn't QR get some SG rolling stock and provide services into northern NSW? Why hasn't the federal government put pressure on the QLD government into converting to SG and running services into northern NSW?

The Gold coast line and the lines around the inland rail should all be converted to SG and NG removed completely.
  RTT_Rules The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Dubai UAE
Why

1.there is no finacial justification to convert Qld to SG. Only a handful of services would benefit

2. They are hard up doing Vic which operates less as an island than Qld

3. Even then conversion of Mel was never on the cards and conversion of Adelaide has died the right full death.

4.Qld pays NSW to run SG trains. How could Qld do it efficency?

5. Yes there would be significant benefits operationally if countrylink was not state based operator.

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