50 level crossings to be removed

 
  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: Trapped in a meeting with Rhonda and Karsten
The Carrum stabling relocation doesn't preclude or even delay the need for a planned Baxter stabling & maintenance depot.

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  HardWorkingMan Chief Commissioner

Location: Echuca
As a Seaford resident, I received a NoSkyRail flyer last week that claimed that everyone wanted to keep the stabling and that moving it to Kananook would "cost 100s of jobs in Carrum and see 7 businesses go under".  Not sure how those numbers work, but ok.
Reading their ongoing protest rants.

What their on about Is the new train stabling depot that Is to be built at Wells Road Seaford, will see the compulsory acquisition of about 7 Industrial / Commercial businesses that must employ around 100 workers.

Now the 7 effected businesses would be be well compensated and likely to be offered relocation reestablishment assistance.

The protesters think that the current Carrum train stabling yard can be relocated to Baxter, and there Is Federal funding just sitting there In a pot waiting to be spent.
But the Baxter extension project Is still something like 10 years away, with no mention of any serious funding to make It happen.

So as usual plenty of misinformation and spin to appease their agenda.

Ah, I see.  None of that was obvious on the flyer (though they did mention Baxter), but I only give it a skim before binning it...  

I had assumed they thought it was going to kill off 7 businesses in Carrum.
Adogs
That's what they hope people will do.  It's common for protest groups (and some politicians - professional or amateur) to do this so they can say what they like without being held responsible. There are several such scare campaigns running at the moment on all sorts of issues not just 'SkyRail'
  True Believers Chief Commissioner

Currently $2 billion dollars being spent on Frankston rail line level crossing removals, the anti-skyrail group should be grateful that all that money is being spent in their area for better transport connections and they want to build Baxter stabling and electrification. Excuse me I think an extension of the Werribee line to Wydnham Vale + Melton electrification would be welcome for the west. All we are getting is a expensive toll road bypass + couple of crossing removals that are scheduled later. Honestly the west is mostly lacking in some rail investment compared to the rest. You see Ballarat and Geelong lines are taking most of the metro services in the west, we need this to change very soon, http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/regional-rail-link-creates-more-woes-for-vline-passengers-20170809-gxsgcr.html.
  loopy Locomotive Driver

Going through some of the sky rail areas today and it got me to thinking, when was the last time a 'sky rail' occurred? The 3 other types of crossing removals have occurred in my lifetime, but not that.

Trench Rail: Burke Rd - Glen Waverley line [2016]
Trench Road: Anderson Rd - Sunbury line [2014]
Sky Road: Kororoit Creek Rd - Werribee line  [2010]
Sky Rail: ???
  Adogs Chief Train Controller

Going through some of the sky rail areas today and it got me to thinking, when was the last time a 'sky rail' occurred? The 3 other types of crossing removals have occurred in my lifetime, but not that.

Trench Rail: Burke Rd - Glen Waverley line [2016]
Trench Road: Anderson Rd - Sunbury line [2014]
Sky Road: Kororoit Creek Rd - Werribee line  [2010]
Sky Rail: ???
loopy

Cranbourne Rd in Narre Warren probably, about 10 years ago?  Not really a Skyrail viaduct, but they dropped the road a bit and raised the railway.  EDIT: just checked - it was in 2004, so 13 years ago, but was at least partly a VicRoads project together with duplicating the road.
  True Believers Chief Commissioner

Going through some of the sky rail areas today and it got me to thinking, when was the last time a 'sky rail' occurred? The 3 other types of crossing removals have occurred in my lifetime, but not that.

Trench Rail: Burke Rd - Glen Waverley line [2016]
Trench Road: Anderson Rd - Sunbury line [2014]
Sky Road: Kororoit Creek Rd - Werribee line  [2010]
Sky Rail: ???
loopy
Sky Rail: Expansion to the Flinder street Viaduct [1978]

  Crossover Train Controller

Location: St. Albans Victoria
Going through some of the sky rail areas today and it got me to thinking, when was the last time a 'sky rail' occurred? The 3 other types of crossing removals have occurred in my lifetime, but not that.

Trench Rail: Burke Rd - Glen Waverley line [2016]
Trench Road: Anderson Rd - Sunbury line [2014]
Sky Road: Kororoit Creek Rd - Werribee line  [2010]
Sky Rail: ???
Sky Rail: Expansion to the Flinder street Viaduct [1978]

James974
"Skyrail "is a stupid name in my opinion any way .
Are the kilometres  of elevated freeways in Melbourne ever called "Skyroads "and compared to the current rail projects they are huge in scale .
  True Believers Chief Commissioner

Going through some of the sky rail areas today and it got me to thinking, when was the last time a 'sky rail' occurred? The 3 other types of crossing removals have occurred in my lifetime, but not that.

Trench Rail: Burke Rd - Glen Waverley line [2016]
Trench Road: Anderson Rd - Sunbury line [2014]
Sky Road: Kororoit Creek Rd - Werribee line  [2010]
Sky Rail: ???
Sky Rail: Expansion to the Flinder street Viaduct [1978]

"Skyrail "is a stupid name in my opinion any way .
Are the kilometres  of elevated freeways in Melbourne ever called "Skyroads "and compared to the current rail projects they are huge in scale .
Crossover
"Rail bridge" or "Elevated rail" is more suitable name. Skyrail is just used so often in the news that kind of sticks in your mind.
  Gauntlet Chief Commissioner

Location:
Going through some of the sky rail areas today and it got me to thinking, when was the last time a 'sky rail' occurred? The 3 other types of crossing removals have occurred in my lifetime, but not that.

Trench Rail: Burke Rd - Glen Waverley line [2016]
Trench Road: Anderson Rd - Sunbury line [2014]
Sky Road: Kororoit Creek Rd - Werribee line  [2010]
Sky Rail: ???
loopy
I think the last LX removed by raising the rails was at Ashley Street Tottenham in 1981.
The crossing at Narre Warren was removed using the hybrid method - just like Canterbury in 1971, and it'll happen at Seaford reasonably soon.

Also, does the City Loop viaduct count since no level crossings were removed when it was constructed - if so, maybe we should count the underpass at Officer, the RRL bridges, or Christies Road Caroline Springs.
  Adogs Chief Train Controller

Maybe a side-note, but the NoSkyRailers don't seem to be making too much of a dent in the ALP in the Sandbelt seats - Labor still ahead in all four Frankston line seats of Bentleigh, Mordialloc, Carrum and Frankston.  Granted, only the latter two of those have rail-over crossings, but I thought it particularly notable that Carrum is still leaning to the ALP, and even slightly moreso than it did in 2014.

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/victoria/labor-claws-ahead-of-liberals-in-melbournes-sandbelt-seats-after-lobster-saga-20170813-gxv4wy.html
  Heihachi_73 Chief Commissioner

Location: Terminating at Ringwood
Sky Rail: Expansion to the Flinder street Viaduct [1978]
"James974"
Half the population still had black and white TVs back then, that's more than a lifetime ago for a good percentage of people on this forum. Also, it's the year Space Invaders took over Planet Earth.

That and the fact that the Flinders Street viaduct was already there, it was only made wider and used modern construction methods. If anything, the nearby tram line could have been considered skyrail until they pulled it down and made Flinders Street flat again.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Going through some of the sky rail areas today and it got me to thinking, when was the last time a 'sky rail' occurred? The 3 other types of crossing removals have occurred in my lifetime, but not that.

Trench Rail: Burke Rd - Glen Waverley line [2016]
Trench Road: Anderson Rd - Sunbury line [2014]
Sky Road: Kororoit Creek Rd - Werribee line  [2010]
Sky Rail: ???

Cranbourne Rd in Narre Warren probably, about 10 years ago?  Not really a Skyrail viaduct, but they dropped the road a bit and raised the railway.  EDIT: just checked - it was in 2004, so 13 years ago, but was at least partly a VicRoads project together with duplicating the road.
Adogs
I don't recall the railway been raised at all !

The bridge span was constructed beside the railway (with the road detoured clear of the construction site) bridge foundations were put In (during shutdowns) than during a shutdown the new bridge span was jacked across Into place.


There has been a number of road under rail new build grade separations as part of VicRoads highway upgrade projects.

Also RRL had a new build elevated rail over Bulban Road at Manor.
  Adogs Chief Train Controller

Going through some of the sky rail areas today and it got me to thinking, when was the last time a 'sky rail' occurred? The 3 other types of crossing removals have occurred in my lifetime, but not that.

Trench Rail: Burke Rd - Glen Waverley line [2016]
Trench Road: Anderson Rd - Sunbury line [2014]
Sky Road: Kororoit Creek Rd - Werribee line  [2010]
Sky Rail: ???

Cranbourne Rd in Narre Warren probably, about 10 years ago?  Not really a Skyrail viaduct, but they dropped the road a bit and raised the railway.  EDIT: just checked - it was in 2004, so 13 years ago, but was at least partly a VicRoads project together with duplicating the road.
I don't recall the railway been raised at all !

The bridge span was constructed beside the railway (with the road detoured clear of the construction site) bridge foundations were put In (during shutdowns) than during a shutdown the new bridge span was jacked across Into place.


There has been a number of road under rail new build grade separations as part of VicRoads highway upgrade projects.

Also RRL had a new build elevated rail over Bulban Road at Manor.
Nightfire

True, I hadn't thought about regional crossings.  Even things like the Hume Freeway Craigieburn Bypass going under the rail line about ten or twelve years ago.
  HardWorkingMan Chief Commissioner

Location: Echuca
Is it really level crossing removal when a new rail line or road is built without level crossings?  EG the Craigieburn bypass never had a level crossing to be removed. It was initially built with the overpasses
  loopy Locomotive Driver

The answer to your post HardWorkingMan is no. The South Morang to Mernda extension [for example] is falsely advertised as crossing removals and Sky Rail - yes it will be built without crossings but will not be classified as crossing removal due to no crossings to be removed. Same happened when building RRL
  True Believers Chief Commissioner

I made a special youtube video summing up most of what LXRA has done with level crossing removals + I quickly explain about the controversial skyrail stuff. Hope you like it, took me awhile to get the video together.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OYwO6RWycE
  Myrtone Chief Commissioner

Location: North Carlton, Melbourne, Victoria
Many posters on here are just savvy enough to understand what is likely to happen. Mainly by following the information that is released by the relevant bodies and ignoring the grand standing by irrelevant local government.
Gman_86

How are they supposed to know what's relavent here?

You were told repeatedly that it was going to be a case of road under rail for Buckley St, and you were given solid reasons for it, yet you thought you and the local council (who are again in case you forgot, irrelevant) knew better than everyone else.
Gman_86

The council has given solid reason for rail under, taking into account long term consequens into account. That they are being ignored doesn't change the fact.

No comment on the rest. Sometimes, I get the impression being savvy enough to know things like that is like picking up tone and body language in that it supposedly involves extrasensory perception.
  glenhope Beginner

re: Alamein line. The 2 crossings are either side of Riversdale station. One of them is a tram/rail crossing. Wasn't removing all the tram/train crossings a priority at some stage? Removing both Alamein crossings could be done at once by rebuilding riversdale station in a trench.
  712M Chief Commissioner

The Level Crossing Authority takes into account safety risks as well as congestion problems when ranking level crossings in the removal priority list. Whilst it is important that the Riversdale Rd level crossing is removed, Riversdale is on a short line with a relatively low peak frequency meaning that there are other crossings that are in much greater need of removal first.
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

The 3 remaining tram crossings are manned.
  Myrtone Chief Commissioner

Location: North Carlton, Melbourne, Victoria
The Level Crossing Authority takes into account safety risks as well as congestion problems when ranking level crossings in the removal priority list. Whilst it is important that the Riversdale Rd level crossing is removed, Riversdale is on a short line with a relatively low peak frequency meaning that there are other crossings that are in much greater need of removal first.
712M
On the whole, it is important that all level crossings are either closed or grade separated. But there are some out there who see them as road projects.
  True Believers Chief Commissioner

I've heard that the level crossing near the North Williamstown station, Kororoit Creek road/Fergusson street would be a rail under road solution can anyone confirm this?
  Heihachi_73 Chief Commissioner

Location: Terminating at Ringwood
re: Alamein line. The 2 crossings are either side of Riversdale station. One of them is a tram/rail crossing. Wasn't removing all the tram/train crossings a priority at some stage? Removing both Alamein crossings could be done at once by rebuilding riversdale station in a trench.
"glenhope"

But turning the Alamein line into a "route 73" or something is so much cheaper than having to do all that. Smile
  Myrtone Chief Commissioner

Location: North Carlton, Melbourne, Victoria
I've heard that the level crossing near the North Williamstown station, Kororoit Creek road/Fergusson street would be a rail under road solution can anyone confirm this?
James974
Remeber that is it a low lying area. Are they really planning for a section of railway track below sea level?
  reubstar6 Chief Train Controller

They'll probably do a hybrid of sorts.

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