SDS Models web update mk2

 
  comtrain Chief Commissioner

Location: Near Albury Wodonga
Terry, I expect you inspected the track, and found it was indeed dirty?
My thoughts on lighting, is that you install capacitors to get rid of flicker?  flicker can be caused by dirty track as you say, but it can also be caused by faulty pickups (which it appears to be the case from further posts) or dead frogs and various other reasons.
My experience over 50 years of running on many club layouts, with good clean track giving good operations, until suddenly dirty wheels can bring a train to a stand. Where does the dirt come from? My guess others running on the layout bring rolling stock with contaminated wheels and share it around.
My reference to AC was purely to do with the fact that the AC  power (is rectified by the chip) could not be as easily reversed for lighting control as it can be with DC operated trains, thus the need for a switch (or DCC chip) to operate correctly in the other direction.

my supposition that  a well designed circuit would operate well, and a badly designed circuit would need improvements, was more directed at the Chinese, rather than SDS.

And indeed, my order has not yet turned up, as I stated, and I was only trying to help in any case.

My super capacitors arrived from China in several physical sizes and denominations and were pretty cheap ($9 US for 30 in  2012)

In future I will keep all of my experiences to myself and leave all assistance offered to more highly educated types like you.
What on earth is your problem?
Do you know something? Highly educated engineers can design a real locomotive, but have no idea how to operate  them in service. I takes dopes like me to operate them in service. Experience over education any day in the real world.
Cheers
Rod Young

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  dthead Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Ladies and Gentlemen,
No further accursations please. I have deleted one post, do not want to remove any more. Not wishing to point out anyone, we're all in the hobby, remember.

I like the desire to help other, not try to shut people up myself.  As the facts and models come in, of course people will get more real world data.  


Understood, everyone ?
  standard gauge Station Master

I purchased two JHGs.
The lights on the first one worked fine. No flicker in either direction.
The second one the lights didn't work at all.
Unscrewed the bogies and cleaned all the contact points, axles,wipers and screw.
Reassembled and now works like the first one. No flickering noticed on either one.

NCE DCC
  Booly Junior Train Controller

Purchased a JHG & UHG today , got them home , CLEANED the track and the marker lights did not work on either of them . R&R the axle pick-ups and cleaned  them . The JHG marker lights worked but the UHG still wouldn't. Removed the body and found 1 of the contact pads on the board had fallen off. Resoldered and tested by placing the contact pads across the track to test it worked before reassembly which it did . Refitted the body & bogies placed it on the track , all working as it should . Shame we have to do these things to new models out of the box . The body is easily removed by gently prying out the sides with your thumb nail , no need to remove couplers.

Booly
  NSWRcars Chief Train Controller

Interestingly the tail lighting circuits have a flicker free effect, but have trouble staying on, as though there is an intermittent break in the circuit. (Yes, the track and wheels are clean, I checked.)  Watching the end of the train going around the layout is amusing with the lights going on and off (slowly), but not prototypical.  Any ideas why?

Additionally on DC, with only partial voltage applied (to stop the train travelling at 100mph) the tail lights are fairly dim, not bright.  Lighting brightness is good on DCC, but still with the on/off variance effect in play.  One touch I do like is that the tail lighting level (when working correctly) is at a prototypical level, and not over bright like spot or ditch lights as is typical of many other models.
c3526blue
This weekend I took delivery of a JHG and have tested it on a DC layout. The lighting behaves exactly as described by c3526blue – ie at lower voltages the lights dim or extinguish, and the flicker-free circuit exacerbates the problem. Just as a test, I ran at a high(ish) speed and quickly cut the power; locomotive stopped immediately while the JHG lights slowly faded for a couple of seconds after the stop. As described by others, the lights look really nice when working, but in my opinion the circuit is next to useless for DC running, and is a gimmick. If I persist with lighting I will be removing the bogie pick-ups altogether and installing a reliable battery powered circuit.



In every other respect the van is beautiful (if that’s possible for a JHG), and thanks SDS for another top model.
  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

Location: In front of a computer most of the time.


Just a few more containers to choose from Smile Details at http://www.sdsmodels.com.au/40foot1.htm
  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

Location: In front of a computer most of the time.

http://sdsmodels.com.au/latenews.htm updated 4/6/17.
  Parkeston Station Staff

From the SDS Models "Coming Soon" page:

"The first half of the 40ft container production has arrived and the other half will be here in August."

Looking forward to receiving mine. Smile

Ian
  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

Location: In front of a computer most of the time.

"Our Austrains NEO SO/SOC concentrate car models are expected just in time for the AMRA Vic exhibiton at Caulfield Racecourse Aug 26 & 27" - more samples posted to https://www.facebook.com/SdsModels/
  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

Location: In front of a computer most of the time.
engineering sample of 6 variations of VR IZ 4 wheelers (including all rivetted body version, part rivetted/part welded body version and an all welded body version) and VR Bitumen RTC - via https://www.facebook.com/SdsModels
  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

Location: In front of a computer most of the time.

SO / SOC Concentrate Wagon product page and order forms now online
http://sdsmodels.com.au/aussoc.htm
  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

Location: In front of a computer most of the time.
More

SDS "Neo" CCA carriage. improvements will be made on the original Austrains versikn as noted at https://www.facebook.com/SdsModels/photos/a.369409706509610.1073741826.319134508203797/1431807873603116/?type=3&theater
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
Somehow I can not see those SAR SOC type wagons being a real seller unless of course you model SAR/ANR standard gauge that is. As they were captive to that gauge almost and very rarely seen anywhere else in South Aust. Yes I know some ere used into NSW as well. but still why it was ever chosen by Austrains in the first place as a SAR model to make, escapes a lot of people. It was not a what you would call a good choice of SAR/ANR wagon to make though.

Commonwealth Railways /ANR had similar wagons as well and I wonder if they will ever get done though as it might help sell a few more in the long term!

Here is a link to a CR one.

http://www.comrails.com/pic_blc/blc_db_29_n.html
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
Somehow I can not see those SAR SOC type wagons being a real seller unless of course you model SAR/ANR standard gauge that is. As they were captive to that gauge almost and very rarely seen anywhere else in South Aust. Yes I know some ere used into NSW as well. but still why it was ever chosen by Austrains in the first place as a SAR model to make, escapes a lot of people. It was not a what you would call a good choice of SAR/ANR wagon to make though.

Commonwealth Railways /ANR had similar wagons as well and I wonder if they will ever get done though as it might help sell a few more in the long term!

Here is a link to a CR one.

http://www.comrails.com/pic_blc/blc_db_29_n.html
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
Somehow I can not see those SAR SOC type wagons being a real seller unless of course you model SAR/ANR standard gauge that is. As they were captive to that gauge almost and very rarely seen anywhere else in South Aust. Yes I know some were used into NSW as well. but still why it was ever chosen by Austrains in the first place as a SAR model to make, escapes a lot of people. It was not a what you would call a good choice of SAR/ANR wagon to make though.

Commonwealth Railways /ANR had similar wagons as well and I wonder if they will ever get done though as it might help sell a few more in the long term!

Here is a link to a CR one.

http://www.comrails.com/pic_blc/blc_db_29_n.html
  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

Location: In front of a computer most of the time.


Coming soon from SDS Models in HO scale, the WA WGX,WOAX and other variations on the theme. This is a preproduction model displayed at Caulfield exhibition today.
  SA_trains Deputy Commissioner

Location: ACT
Somehow I can not see those SAR SOC type wagons being a real seller unless of course you model SAR/ANR standard gauge that is. As they were captive to that gauge almost and very rarely seen anywhere else in South Aust. Yes I know some ere used into NSW as well. but still why it was ever chosen by Austrains in the first place as a SAR model to make, escapes a lot of people. It was not a what you would call a good choice of SAR/ANR wagon to make though.

Commonwealth Railways /ANR had similar wagons as well and I wonder if they will ever get done though as it might help sell a few more in the long term!

Here is a link to a CR one.

http://www.comrails.com/pic_blc/blc_db_29_n.html
David Peters

Hey David,

Sure, maybe, but how about trying to put a positive spin on someone making rolling stock for the South Australian modeler???? I know that I intend to get five packs for my ore train.

Irrespective, it is a commercial decision by SDS and I'm pretty happy that they are.

Regards,

Dan
  a6et Minister for Railways

Somehow I can not see those SAR SOC type wagons being a real seller unless of course you model SAR/ANR standard gauge that is. As they were captive to that gauge almost and very rarely seen anywhere else in South Aust. Yes I know some ere used into NSW as well. but still why it was ever chosen by Austrains in the first place as a SAR model to make, escapes a lot of people. It was not a what you would call a good choice of SAR/ANR wagon to make though.

Commonwealth Railways /ANR had similar wagons as well and I wonder if they will ever get done though as it might help sell a few more in the long term!

Here is a link to a CR one.

http://www.comrails.com/pic_blc/blc_db_29_n.html

Hey David,

Sure, maybe, but how about trying to put a positive spin on someone making rolling stock for the South Australian modeler???? I know that I intend to get five packs for my ore train.

Irrespective, it is a commercial decision by SDS and I'm pretty happy that they are.

Regards,

Dan
SA_trains
My take on this & I am a 50's era NSW modeller is that it shows that there is a company who is prepared to take a risk on producing a model that may not be a huge seller and fits a prospective small or nitch market.

For too long many models that are made of small prototype, numbers wise R/S has been neglected in RTR format, rather left to the old and what is left of the cottage industry which is mostly kits, many of which while having good detail are a bit of pain to assemble, and in many cases a more expensive that RTR models.

Even in the modern era or early modern era more wagons were built that ran every day on block/unit trains with a lot in yards waiting for the next roster so can be used for that purpose if desired.  My R/S roster is at its limit but there are still some models that I am looking forward to arriving and being produced that will be purchased in an unknown quantity, primarily to add variety to the consists.

So I actually applaud SDS for taking a bit of a risk (perhaps) in this regard.
  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

Location: In front of a computer most of the time.

WGX artwork from the "coming soon" page.
  DJPeters Assistant Commissioner

Somehow I can not see those SAR SOC type wagons being a real seller unless of course you model SAR/ANR standard gauge that is. As they were captive to that gauge almost and very rarely seen anywhere else in South Aust. Yes I know some ere used into NSW as well. but still why it was ever chosen by Austrains in the first place as a SAR model to make, escapes a lot of people. It was not a what you would call a good choice of SAR/ANR wagon to make though.

Commonwealth Railways /ANR had similar wagons as well and I wonder if they will ever get done though as it might help sell a few more in the long term!

Here is a link to a CR one.

http://www.comrails.com/pic_blc/blc_db_29_n.html

Hey David,

Sure, maybe, but how about trying to put a positive spin on someone making rolling stock for the South Australian modeler???? I know that I intend to get five packs for my ore train.

Irrespective, it is a commercial decision by SDS and I'm pretty happy that they are.

Regards,

Dan
SA_trains
What I was trying to get across was that here in South Australia at least they were virtually captive to the standard gauge ore trains and not widely seen elsewhere there were exceptions of course some were used in salt traffic later I think it was. But in general they were only seen on the Peterborough division and not everyone that I know of models the standard gauge ore services let alone that division. Some ran on the old Peterborough narrow gauge for a while as well.

Not putting a manufacturer down for making a SAR model but there would be a lot of other wagons that could be made to cover both SG and BG though. A decent model of a LX louvre van might have been a better one to do, or SGMX wagons or even FBX, or SGX wagons for that matter and there were a few others that come to mind! Also Austrains developed this project but I do not think they ever released a model for sale simply passing it on to SDS to finally put out.

Yes I have a 5 pack of SAR yellow ones just to say I have some and so I could model a BG Peterborough train if I want to delivering a few new or recently repaired ones back to Peterborough for use again. One other minor little problem is that they have very little weight in the wagons but a strip of brass glued into the bottom of them with a plastic sheet over the brass to simulate a new floor would do the trick nicely!

But as I have said though they have very limited  geographical scope to be used on other than a SG ore train. They could not be used for other things like a open wagon could though you could put a container or containers in open wagons if needed and it was done as well for a while. But because of their design they were only suitable for the the ore coming from Broken Hill and some salt work on the Whyalla line I think it was for a while! All right if you model up that way but using them on say a layout of a South line station would be a fair stretch of the imagination a lot. Just saying though!

I should also point out at this time that Orient Express Reproductions is not interested in doing any of the SAR rollingstock after say 1960 or there abouts, they want to concentrate on the Webb era stuff only at this time so another manufacture doing say LX louvre vans is not going to tread on their toes at the moment. I asked Fred at Orient Express one day about doing some more modern stuff and he said as above!
  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

Location: In front of a computer most of the time.
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But as I have said though they have very limited  geographical scope to be used on other than a SG ore train. They could not be used for other things like a open wagon could though you could put a container or containers in open wagons if needed and it was done as well for a while. But because of their design they were only suitable for the the ore coming from Broken Hill and some salt work on the Whyalla line I think it was for a while! All right if you model up that way but using them on say a layout of a South line station would be a fair stretch of the imagination a lot. Just saying though!
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DJPeters


PN have used ROQF's with lids removed on steel trains between Whyalla & Port Kembla. Evidence viewable at http://wagonfreak.blogspot.com.au/2011/05/
  Baleena Beginner

SOC wagon coded as GQX in red available in SOC06 (ANR Pack A).
  DJPeters Assistant Commissioner

SOC wagon coded as GQX in red available in SOC06 (ANR Pack A).
Baleena
The Commonwealth Railways GQX and the SAR SOC's though were not seen much elsewhere in South Australia and just because a wagon with X as the last letter in the code does not mean it roamed everywhere over the the other systems either by bogie exchange or same gauge! It was probably some of these wagons that were later used for limited salt traffic via BG, as the X denotes they are bogie exchangeable.

What I am trying to say is they were not a common sight in regular traffic south of Port Pirie really!. Except for the ore trains and salt traffic! You would not for instance see one in Adelaide unless some were sent to Islington Railway Workshops to be rebuilt or something. They came down empty got work done on them at Islington and returned empty usually to Peterborough. When the SG finally got to Adelaide they were simply railed down but before that they were bogie exchanged onto BG to rail them down and most likely needed fender wagons each side of them as well I assume, although SAR and later ANR did have wagons suitable for bogie exchange but only within their own systems though so they may have been allowed under that. These wagons did not have X as the last letter though.
  SA_trains Deputy Commissioner

Location: ACT
Somehow I can not see those SAR SOC type wagons being a real seller unless of course you model SAR/ANR standard gauge that is. As they were captive to that gauge almost and very rarely seen anywhere else in South Aust. Yes I know some ere used into NSW as well. but still why it was ever chosen by Austrains in the first place as a SAR model to make, escapes a lot of people. It was not a what you would call a good choice of SAR/ANR wagon to make though.

Commonwealth Railways /ANR had similar wagons as well and I wonder if they will ever get done though as it might help sell a few more in the long term!

Here is a link to a CR one.

http://www.comrails.com/pic_blc/blc_db_29_n.html



......SNIP

Not putting a manufacturer down for making a SAR model but there would be a lot of other wagons that could be made to cover both SG and BG though. A decent model of a LX louvre van might have been a better one to do, or SGMX wagons or even FBX, or SGX wagons for that matter and there were a few others that come to mind! Also Austrains developed this project but I do not think they ever released a model for sale simply passing it on to SDS to finally put out.

SNIP......
DJPeters

David,

I am not disagreeing with you about where the SOC operated.... but was commenting on the negative tone aimed at SDS. In both of the posts above, you've had a negative go at SDS. Sure, you may not want to model an ore train, and maybe I'm the only one who does.... never-the-less, I'm applauding SDS for making something for the South Australian modeler. Your comments actually are putting them down.

Maybe they will do other wagons, but who knows. with comments like this, you make it tough for manufacturers to put SAR/CR on the list.

At the MRSAC a couple of weeks ago, I was having a conversation with someone who had made R-T-R models for the Australian market and claimed that the commentary made against them, that they had decided they would no longer make models for the Australian market. We, the modeling fraternity are the losers in that decision. That's the upshot of making comments like yours. That said, SDS have made a business decision and the SOC will either sell, or not... That's the risk they have chosen to make.

Just saying, don't dis a company because they are making (or not making) a particular model, because they just might stop making altogether...

My thoughts for what its worth.

Dan

(Disclaimer: no association with SDS other than as an occasional customer)
  kingfisher Chief Train Controller

Somehow I can not see those SAR SOC type wagons being a real seller unless of course you model SAR/ANR standard gauge that is. As they were captive to that gauge almost and very rarely seen anywhere else in South Aust. Yes I know some ere used into NSW as well. but still why it was ever chosen by Austrains in the first place as a SAR model to make, escapes a lot of people. It was not a what you would call a good choice of SAR/ANR wagon to make though.

Commonwealth Railways /ANR had similar wagons as well and I wonder if they will ever get done though as it might help sell a few more in the long term!

Here is a link to a CR one.

http://www.comrails.com/pic_blc/blc_db_29_n.html


......SNIP

Not putting a manufacturer down for making a SAR model but there would be a lot of other wagons that could be made to cover both SG and BG though. A decent model of a LX louvre van might have been a better one to do, or SGMX wagons or even FBX, or SGX wagons for that matter and there were a few others that come to mind! Also Austrains developed this project but I do not think they ever released a model for sale simply passing it on to SDS to finally put out.

SNIP......

David,

I am not disagreeing with you about where the SOC operated.... but was commenting on the negative tone aimed at SDS. In both of the posts above, you've had a negative go at SDS. Sure, you may not want to model an ore train, and maybe I'm the only one who does.... never-the-less, I'm applauding SDS for making something for the South Australian modeler. Your comments actually are putting them down.

Maybe they will do other wagons, but who knows. with comments like this, you make it tough for manufacturers to put SAR/CR on the list.

At the MRSAC a couple of weeks ago, I was having a conversation with someone who had made R-T-R models for the Australian market and claimed that the commentary made against them, that they had decided they would no longer make models for the Australian market. We, the modeling fraternity are the losers in that decision. That's the upshot of making comments like yours. That said, SDS have made a business decision and the SOC will either sell, or not... That's the risk they have chosen to make.

Just saying, don't dis a company because they are making (or not making) a particular model, because they just might stop making altogether...

My thoughts for what its worth.

Dan

(Disclaimer: no association with SDS other than as an occasional customer)
SA_trains
SDS should be admired for the significant number of outstanding models they have released which in themselves don't look as if they would be big sellers. If SDS didn't produce these models I'm not sure that anyone else would take the risk.

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