L class electric through the loop

 
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
has an l class ever travelled through the loop in Melbourne ?

I know 86 class have been underground in Sydney.

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  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

has an l class ever travelled through the loop in Melbourne ?

I know 86 class have been underground in Sydney.
freightgate
Don,t know about an L Class, but surprisingly an N class has by accident .  Happened in the late eighties, early 90,s in that the Midday Up Gippslanded ex Bairnsdale got wrong routed at Richmond and ended up in the City Loop .  This happened around 1600 on a Weekday, and the quick thinking Train Controller decided it would be far less disruptive to run it around the loop with passengers at low speed and sideline it at Flinders Street .  Imagine todays  Nanny State managers they would close the loop for 2 hours and disrupt the whole peak .
  skitz Chief Commissioner

has an l class ever travelled through the loop in Melbourne ?

I know 86 class have been underground in Sydney.
Don,t know about an L Class, but surprisingly an N class has by accident .  Happened in the late eighties, early 90,s in that the Midday Up Gippslanded ex Bairnsdale got wrong routed at Richmond and ended up in the City Loop .  This happened around 1600 on a Weekday, and the quick thinking Train Controller decided it would be far less disruptive to run it around the loop with passengers at low speed and sideline it at Flinders Street .  Imagine todays  Nanny State managers they would close the loop for 2 hours and disrupt the whole peak .
kuldalai
Don't know about that.   Earlier this year we went through in a Velocity.  Signal failure at Richmond preventing the setup of the ladder to the special lines.

Biggest delay was waiting for a pilot.  Other than that there were no issues, got into Spencer Street about 25 late (pointing the wrong way obviously!).
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
It seemed to be a semi-regular occurrence, the old N Class and pass cars from Gippsland being routed through the City loop.

As the City loop has now been open for 35 years, there used to be Tait trains on scheduled services running through the Loop in the early days and once with the late Tom Murray officiating, we travelled through the Loop in a DERM (Diesel Electric Rail Motor) and stopping at Flagstaff for a significant time on Platform 3 early one evening.

The diesel fumes seemed to dissipate ok and this was obviously a time before Platform 3 was a very busy place.

Mike.
  Bogong Chief Commissioner

Location: Essendon Aerodrome circa 1980
What's the gradient from Flagstaff up to Spencer Street?

While I have no doubt that the Velocitys could do anything, even a 1 in 30 grade, I've seen N class really struggling on 1 in 50s with fairly modest loads and I suspect that section is a lot steeper than country mainlines.
  bisnana Station Staff

The question is how will the get the Maryvale goods out if it takes a wrong turn at Richmond.
  tazzer96 Deputy Commissioner

The question is how will the get the Maryvale goods out if it takes a wrong turn at Richmond.
bisnana
Probably would hit full service brakes and stop before it got to a point of needing a tow out.  It doesn't travel overly fast through there anyway
  Bullucked Assistant Commissioner

I went through the Loop very many years ago behind a GM on the way to (I think) Echuca, via Toolamba as part of a tour. More recently an N and N set were 'stranded' at North Melbourne platform 1 when there was an occo taken out from there to Southern Cross, i think as part of the RRL project. In the end it was decided it was quicker and easier to send the train around the loop rather than setting back, all this long after the passengers had been booted off. I can't find my records of the actual date and loco involved.
  apw5910 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Location: Location.
Steam loco 5461 was once given the road that would have gone into Sydney's City Circle (1986 or so?). The volunteer fitters on the engine were all for it, but the driver wouldn't do it. Instead he gave the LOUDEST whistle ever to get the signalbox's attention. I heard it in Neutral Bay! This was long before train radios.
  Daryl Junior Train Controller

Location: Carrum Downs
I didn't see it but I was told about a pair of L class and a load of bricquettes in GYs went around the loop.
Apparently dut to a mixup in the middle of the day when the loop changes direction.
I wondered what the authorities would do with a bicquette train at Spencer Street facing the wrong direction.
If this was true and not an urban myth I imagine there might be a bricquette or two still in the loop.

In spite of assurances a Tait train occasionally went through the loop. I rode in one that turned up. The authorities were concerned of burning Taits in the loop. This was in the first few weeks of the loop opening.

The loop stations have a ventillator fast mode to cope with the occasional diesel, I wes once on a tour through the loop behind T320, I dimly recall an evening DERM tour.

I recall the loop doesn't accommodate express running, every train has to stop at every station.
  Bogong Chief Commissioner

Location: Essendon Aerodrome circa 1980
I'd be interested to know what they used to test the tracks and overhead wiring before the loop was opened. Presumably something that wasn't being used elsewhere... maybe an ancient E class electric locomotive?

Seeing a photo of an E class pootling around the loop would really make my day. Very Happy
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Steam loco 5461 was once given the road that would have gone into Sydney's City Circle (1986 or so?). The volunteer fitters on the engine were all for it, but the driver wouldn't do it. Instead he gave the LOUDEST whistle ever to get the signalbox's attention. I heard it in Neutral Bay! This was long before train radios.
apw5910
About that time just about everything was capable of going through the Sydney Underground - even at least one Brisbane Superfreighter. That was all before the nanny state of course.
  historian Deputy Commissioner

When the loop was designed, the Department was conscious that the occasional misrouting of diesels into the loop was a possibility. The ventilation system was designed with a 'high flow' setting to deal with the exhaust fumes in this situation. This is controllable from Metrol.

I have a vague memory of going through the loop in the mid '80s in an ARHS rail tour consisting of two DERMs and a trailer.
  historian Deputy Commissioner

What's the gradient from Flagstaff up to Spencer Street?

While I have no doubt that the Velocitys could do anything, even a 1 in 30 grade, I've seen N class really struggling on 1 in 50s with fairly modest loads and I suspect that section is a lot steeper than country mainlines.
Bogong

1 in 38 on the Caulfield Loop. It's 1 in 40 rising from Melbourne Central to Flagstaff, and there is another 1 in 38 rising grade approaching Parliament.
  Frank Jones Station Staff

Location: Geelong, Victoria
has an l class ever travelled through the loop in Melbourne ?

I know 86 class have been underground in Sydney.
freightgate
The Rail Tourist Association ran a tour to Warragul and Lalor on 20/9/98 and ran L1162 via the loop:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/railtourist/36377163600/in/dateposted-public/
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
Great photo Frank.

Was this the only L class as 1162 I think was restored to run tours post 1998?

The loco has not been seen on the tracks for a while.
  neillfarmer Chief Train Controller

Steam loco 5461 was once given the road that would have gone into Sydney's City Circle (1986 or so?). The volunteer fitters on the engine were all for it, but the driver wouldn't do it. Instead he gave the LOUDEST whistle ever to get the signalbox's attention. I heard it in Neutral Bay! This was long before train radios.
About that time just about everything was capable of going through the Sydney Underground - even at least one Brisbane Superfreighter. That was all before the nanny state of course.
YM-Mundrabilla
At that time it was the practice to divert the Brisbane superfeighters over the North Shore when the Main North was closed for maintenance. I saw several cross the harbour bridge. On one occasion I attempted to get photos by chasing it but the train beat me. They were diesel hauled, mostly (all?) by triple 442s.
Neill Farmer
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
There are photos on Railpage of IEV102 sandwiched between T373 and T377 running through the loop from 3 or 4 years ago.

Also, while not in the same league, a few weeks ago, I was at Melbourne Central while the Clifton Hill loop tunnel was closed and saw a fleet of hi-rail trucks running through. Now obviously they aren't going to throw out as many nasty fumes as an N but there will still be something that needs to be dealt with.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Norda Fittazroy
I'm glad to see the photo of 1162. I was sure I knew about an L in the loop, and was going nuts trawling through memorabilia trying to find the evidence.
  GeoffreyHansen Minister for Railways

Location: In a FAM sleeper
I think the XPTs and Explorers have used the Sydney underground and Harbour bridge.
  Bullucked Assistant Commissioner

 DarylJunior Train Controller
I recall the loop doesn't accommodate express running, every train has to stop at every station.

Incorrect, empty cars regularly run through.

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