Premier Dan announces Western Distributor off Westgate AND a new tunnel

 
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  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
http://www.premier.vic.gov.au/new-project-to-reduce-congestion-on-west-gate-bridge-progresses

Thursday 30 April 2015

Premier Daniel Andrews today joined Minister for Roads, Luke Donnellan, to announce that the Western Distributor – an innovative new road project proposed by Transurban – has progressed to Stage Three of the Government’s Market-led Proposals Guideline.

The Transurban proposal would connect the West Gate Freeway to CityLink via a tunnel, a second river crossing and an elevated freeway along Footscray Road, and would relieve pressure on the West Gate Bridge, improve truck access to the Port of Melbourne and significantly reduce truck numbers in the inner west.

Transurban estimates that the project would generate 3,500 new construction jobs, cost $5-5.5 billion and have a cost benefit ratio of 1.6. If agreed to by the Government, it would start at the end of this year and be completed by 2020.
The new proposal is being assessed by the Department of Treasury and Finance and reviewed by external consultants. The assessment process to date has been reviewed by an independent panel of Dr Kerry Schott and Tony Canavan, who support the Stage Two assessment findings and the recommendation to proceed to Stage Three.
The Panel notes that the proposal has the potential to add strong long-term strategic value to Melbourne’s future. The proposal will be assessed against other Government plans, including the West Gate Distributor.

The Department of Treasury and Finance will undertake a thorough assessment of the project through the Stage Three process. The Government will then decide whether to proceed with Transurban’s proposal, modify it, or opt for another option.
The Government’s consideration of this proposal will be predicated on the Victorian taxpayer getting value for money.
The Andrews Labor Government promised to be open and transparent on all new projects, and the project is being disclosed as a requirement of progression under the new Market-led Proposal Interim Guideline.

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  QSB6.7 Chief Train Controller

Location: Going off the rails on a crazy train.
Is there a map for this West-East link?  *EDIT* map here http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/planning-and-projects/melbourne-road-projects/west-gate-distributor


Just wondering how Dodgey intends to appease the very influential residents of Yarraville.
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
West-East link
QSB6.7
This phrase sums it all up for me. A reworked, shortened East West Link.
  trainbrain Assistant Commissioner

true Mickey Mouse project that will dump traffic at Docklands with nowhere to go, oh and it is a Tollway, typical LABOR, not costed and may be shovel ready somewhere in time............
  JoppaJunction Chief Train Controller

Location: Banned
true Mickey Mouse project that will dump traffic at Docklands with nowhere to go, oh and it is a Tollway, typical LABOR, not costed and may be shovel ready somewhere in time............
trainbrain

Here we go again!

The trucking magnates have got to him already.
  lkernan Chief Train Controller

Location: Melbourne
Is there a map for this West-East link?  *EDIT* map here http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/planning-and-projects/melbourne-road-projects/west-gate-distributor


Just wondering how Dodgey intends to appease the very influential residents of Yarraville.
QSB6.7

That map is for the previous West Gate - port connector road project, the new one is Transurban's proposal that there aren't any detailed maps for yet.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
The project Is more to get the trucks off Yarraville's residential streets, as Yarraville Is transforming from a dirty contaminated (River side been considered as the most polluted In the country) Industrial suburb Into an Increasing density residential suburb.

One thing, will trucks want to pay $13 for a tip on the road ? (that's $26 for a round trip)

A lot of the owner operator port shuttle truck drivers are running off the smell of an oily rag (they use the streets of Yarraville to avid paying tolls on the Citylink to get to the West Gate.

Citylink has a licence to print money In Melbourne !
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
The project Is more to get the trucks off Yarraville's residential streets, as Yarraville Is transforming from a dirty contaminated (River side been considered as the most polluted In the country) Industrial suburb Into an Increasing density residential suburb.

One thing, will trucks want to pay $13 for a tip on the road ? (that's $26 for a round trip)

A lot of the owner operator port shuttle truck drivers are running off the smell of an oily rag (they use the streets of Yarraville to avid paying tolls on the Citylink to get to the West Gate.

Citylink has a licence to print money In Melbourne !
Nightfire
Surely then the best thing to do would be to improve public transport, getting cars off the West Gate, in conjunction with axing tolls to get the trucks to use it?
  QSB6.7 Chief Train Controller

Location: Going off the rails on a crazy train.
The project Is more to get the trucks off Yarraville's residential streets, as Yarraville Is transforming from a dirty contaminated (River side been considered as the most polluted In the country) Industrial suburb Into an Increasing density residential suburb.

One thing, will trucks want to pay $13 for a tip on the road ? (that's $26 for a round trip)

A lot of the owner operator port shuttle truck drivers are running off the smell of an oily rag (they use the streets of Yarraville to avid paying tolls on the Citylink to get to the West Gate.

Citylink has a licence to print money In Melbourne !
Nightfire
When they are paid $20 to move a container from one yard to another, $13 is a huge part of that.
  QSB6.7 Chief Train Controller

Location: Going off the rails on a crazy train.
That map is for the previous West Gate - port connector road project, the new one is Transurban's proposal that there aren't any detailed maps for yet.
lkernan
Thanks.

I was wondering why it didn't really match the descriptions.  No surprises really.  Listening to the talking heads today getting grilled on talk back radio, I wonder if it will get up anyway.
  Donald Deputy Commissioner

Location: Donald. Duck country.
Thanks.

I was wondering why it didn't really match the descriptions.  No surprises really.  Listening to the talking heads today getting grilled on talk back radio, I wonder if it will get up anyway.
QSB6.7
Surely not another Labor white elephant?
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
It appears the naysayers in this thread were more than content with the lack of inertia and progress from the Baillieu/Napthine former government.

Obviously the sum of three new railway stations, a few trains (delayed introduction) and a litany of broken transport promises were quite sufficient to have you all appeased.

Mike.
  QSB6.7 Chief Train Controller

Location: Going off the rails on a crazy train.
It appears the naysayers in this thread were more than content with the lack of inertia and progress from the Baillieu/Napthine former government.

Obviously the sum of three new railway stations, a few trains (delayed introduction) and a litany of broken transport promises were quite sufficient to have you all appeased.

Mike.
The Vinelander
It should not be about playing the man/team.  It is about the ideas that are presented by a corporation to extend it's grasp on Melbourne for a bit longer, by using half baked ideas.

The trucks won't use the bridge now because they are charged $5, do you think they will pay $13 to take a different way?
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
The trucks won't use the bridge now because they are charged $5, do you think they will pay $13 to take a different way?
QSB6.7
Citylink's plan would see It win what ever way the dice Is rolled, ells they wouldn't be proposing this plan !
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
The trucks won't use the bridge now because they are charged $5, do you think they will pay $13 to take a different way?
QSB6.7


The trucks will pay whatever gives them a faster journey time and if that means less traffic lights and consequently way less stop/start...they'll be paying.

You know all the trucks that are obviously happy to pay to use the Monash and the Burnley tunnel...we aren't seeing these same trucks plying Dandenong Road every day.

As much as I hate to accept it and some of you idealists will have to realise, particularly for short-haul, and in the bigger freight task in general... governments have supported the trucks to win.

Mike.
  QSB6.7 Chief Train Controller

Location: Going off the rails on a crazy train.
The trucks will pay whatever gives them a faster journey time and if that means less traffic lights and consequently way less stop/start...they'll be paying.

You know all the trucks that are obviously happy to pay to use the Monash and the Burnley tunnel...we aren't seeing these same trucks plying Dandenong Road every day.

As much as I hate to accept it and some of you idealists will have to realise, particularly for short-haul, and in the bigger freight task in general... governments have supported the trucks to win.

Mike.
The Vinelander
I work within the port/intermodal industry.  A fair chunk of the short move containers in and around the port areas are sole operators who are paid per container.  These movements don't use the the Monash or Burnley.  They run from container storage parks to the port, using the back roads of Yarraville and Footscray.  As stated above, they get paid $20 to move a container, i doubt they will want to pay $13 for a one way trip.  They won't pay $5 to use the bridge, rather using a further journey.  It may be false economy, but that is how they operate.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Citylink's devel In the detail would be that the back roads around Yarraville would be closed off to to trucks (without a local access permit) to force most container shuttle trucks to use the new link and pay the toll (char ching char ching)

In a fair economy the $20 shuttle rate would become $33, but things don't always work that way !

As the powers would claim the new link would Improve turnaround times, making port shuttle trucks more productive !

The reality would be, owner drivers will more so become the working poor !
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Citylink's devel In the detail would be that the back roads around Yarraville would be closed off to to trucks (without a local access permit) to force most container shuttle trucks to use the new link and pay the toll (char ching char ching)

In a fair economy the $20 shuttle rate would become $33, but things don't always work that way !

As the powers would claim the new link would Improve turnaround times, making port shuttle trucks more productive !

The reality would be, owner drivers will more so become the working poor !
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
What is the solution ? It is highly unlikely this proposal will allow these container movements to be economically viable.

Do we need container parka on rail shuttles ?  You can move more containers faster that way.

How is thuan problem addressed in other countries with large ports ?
  ZH836301 Chief Commissioner

Location: BleakCity
The West Gate will have truck tolls from the Princes Fwy interchange to the bridge to fund the additional two lanes in each direction.

The entire truck trip toll will be $13 - indicating a toll of roughly $6 from the ports to Williamstown Rd and $7 on the West Gate.

Trucks aren't going to go out of their way to avoid a $6 toll.
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
The consultation period for this project has commenced with a large number of papers submitted even from Yarra Trams.  The Greens have made a template available to send your own submission into the process.

http://thetollroadwontwork.org.au/greatermelb/
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Are we seeing some desperation seeping into the Government over westgate tunnel project being savaged through the consultation process?

  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
Are we seeing some desperation seeping into the Government over westgate tunnel project being savaged through the consultation process?

bevans
We are seeing desperation from Transurban.
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
Entire project is a complete waste of taxpayers money (and yes we have been spending money to try and get this up) and only benefits Transurban.  Is terrible for the environment and is a project with little or no payback and may even be worse than East West Link which was bad.

This project ignores what is really required which is an efficient rail network connection the port like Sydney and Adelaide have.

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