50 level crossings to be removed

 
  reubstar6 Locomotive Fireman

They'll probably do a hybrid of sorts.

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  James974 Deputy Commissioner

They'll probably do a hybrid of sorts.
reubstar6
I've been told that a hybrid option for the North Williamstown crossing was ruled out due to how close the road junctions were, which meant that if it were done hybrid they would close off the local roads which the LXRA found was an unacceptable outcome.

Someone I know was told by the LXRA that due to lack of room of diverting the rail line, that it would require a full shutdown of the rail line. It will involve a new station, the roundabout replaced with traffic lights and a few km of trench with provision of high density residential, where the current high density currently is.

There is nothing announced officially or on the website. He showed me the plans, but not sure whether I could trust him or the internet. Normally the internet can turn out to have some biased stuff, but I really not sure whether my friend would make this elaborate plan to make myself look like a fool on the internet by posting this.
  reubstar6 Locomotive Fireman

Okay, but I can only see rail over really. I just think they wouldn't waste money on drainage costs.
  Altona Loopy Station Staff

Apologies for posting this on a similar thread and if already posted here (posting at work, no time to look), but noticed for the first time this morning that work sites have been established with plenty of activity at the Kororoit Creek Rd crossing near Altona Junction. Project off and running.
  Tony M. Station Master

They'll probably do a hybrid of sorts.
I've been told that a hybrid option for the North Williamstown crossing was ruled out due to how close the road junctions were, which meant that if it were done hybrid they would close off the local roads which the LXRA found was an unacceptable outcome.

Someone I know was told by the LXRA that due to lack of room of diverting the rail line, that it would require a full shutdown of the rail line. It will involve a new station, the roundabout replaced with traffic lights and a few km of trench with provision of high density residential, where the current high density currently is.

There is nothing announced officially or on the website. He showed me the plans, but not sure whether I could trust him or the internet. Normally the internet can turn out to have some biased stuff, but I really not sure whether my friend would make this elaborate plan to make myself look like a fool on the internet by posting this.
James974
Whatever they do there, it's going to be a massive job. As mentioned, there's well-used side roads running off both sides of the crossing so putting the road underneath isn't really feasible, and going rail over road would stir up the usual excessive outrage (which probably wouldn't be worth it for a single crossing). How long would digging a trench put the line out of operation? North Williamstown is a pretty busy station at peak times, though the trip to Newport isn't far by bus.
  James974 Deputy Commissioner

Apologies for posting this on a similar thread and if already posted here (posting at work, no time to look), but noticed for the first time this morning that work sites have been established with plenty of activity at the Kororoit Creek Rd crossing near Altona Junction. Project off and running.
Altona Loopy
Hey Altona Loopy I made a dedicated video of the early works at the Altona site



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clg_EKEpWC8
  Altona Loopy Station Staff

Apologies for posting this on a similar thread and if already posted here (posting at work, no time to look), but noticed for the first time this morning that work sites have been established with plenty of activity at the Kororoit Creek Rd crossing near Altona Junction. Project off and running.
Hey Altona Loopy I made a dedicated video of the early works at the Altona site



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clg_EKEpWC8
James974
Very good James, the artist's impression of the finished project makes that area look very, very nice and not shabby and unappealing as in real life..........
  reubstar6 Locomotive Fireman

Does the partial Altona Loop duplication include grade separation of the junction with the Werribee line (near Newport)? By the looks of things on the Level Crossing Removal sight it doesn't. Pretty stupid if it does not. What a great opportunity to, while they are building rail bridges over the road, build another for the line to fly over the Werribee.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Does the partial Altona Loop duplication include grade separation of the junction with the Werribee line (near Newport)? By the looks of things on the Level Crossing Removal sight it doesn't. Pretty stupid if it does not. What a great opportunity to, while they are building rail bridges over the road, build another for the line to fly over the Werribee.
reubstar6
No It doesn't Include a grade separated junction.

Metro 2 will probably reorganize the rail network around this area, with the Werribee (direct line) going Into a tunnel towards Fishermen's Bend and the Williamstown and Laverton (via Altona) becoming local lines.
  James974 Deputy Commissioner

LXRA made a summary of the works video what's going on so far. Good work so far.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7dnT3-MGdo
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
  James974 Deputy Commissioner

This is worth discussion, found this video about the consultants investigating options to remove level crossing at Croydon. Worth a watch. Hopefully this planning done will be implemented by the government and LXRA.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WKSDCMU7GU
  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: Trapped in a meeting with Rhonda and Karsten
This is worth discussion, found this video about the consultants investigating options to remove level crossing at Croydon.
James974
The consultants have sketched out a very good plan and I daresay that the council might actually have got their money's worth if they only shelled out $40k to 'engage' them. Tinkering around the edges is really all that's needed.
I think that there should be only minimal extra parking spaces added as part of the level crossing removal and a much greater emphasis placed on pedestrian links through the area. In particular I think that the proposed Pierson Dr - Wicklow Ave connections under the railway line should be car-free. Turning one crappy level crossing into a grade separated arterial road (Kent Ave/Wicklow Ave  Main St/Lacey St), a pedestrian/bike crossing (Wicklow Ave  end of Pierson Dr), a bus + bike crossing (Toorak/Wicklow Aves  Pierson Dr) and a lower traffic local road crossing (Wicklow Ave  Devon St) should be entirely sufficient.
  James974 Deputy Commissioner

This is worth discussion, found this video about the consultants investigating options to remove level crossing at Croydon.
The consultants have sketched out a very good plan and I daresay that the council might actually have got their money's worth if they only shelled out $40k to 'engage' them. Tinkering around the edges is really all that's needed.
I think that there should be only minimal extra parking spaces added as part of the level crossing removal and a much greater emphasis placed on pedestrian links through the area. In particular I think that the proposed Pierson Dr - Wicklow Ave connections under the railway line should be car-free. Turning one crappy level crossing into a grade separated arterial road (Kent Ave/Wicklow Ave  Main St/Lacey St), a pedestrian/bike crossing (Wicklow Ave  end of Pierson Dr), a bus + bike crossing (Toorak/Wicklow Aves  Pierson Dr) and a lower traffic local road crossing (Wicklow Ave  Devon St) should be entirely sufficient.
LancedDendrite
I think there is an issue with the car parking, if you noticed carefully the LXRA has always tries to make sure there is "no net loss of car parking" like it was policy to not reduce car parking in every instance.

https://wongm.com/2016/01/level-crossings-removals-and-car-parking/
  Myrtone Chief Commissioner

Location: North Carlton, Melbourne, Victoria
If we make non-car transport options more attractive, the demand for car parking will lower, and so there can be a net loss of car parking and still an abundance of parking spaces relative to demand.

In particular I think that the proposed Pierson Dr - Wicklow Ave connections under the railway line should be car-free. Turning one crappy level crossing into a grade separated arterial road (Kent Ave/Wicklow Ave  Main St/Lacey St), a pedestrian/bike crossing (Wicklow Ave  end of Pierson Dr), a bus + bike crossing (Toorak/Wicklow Aves  Pierson Dr) and a lower traffic local road crossing (Wicklow Ave  Devon St) should be entirely sufficient.
LancedDendrite

I don't fully understand this but certainly a dedicated pedestrian and bike crossing, preferably with seperate paths for bikes and pedestrians, will make walking and cycling more attractive. More bikes and pedestrians and fewer cars. Wouldn't it be great to include walkways on the same bridge as the railway. And I think walkways attatched to rail overbridges would be a good idea in many other places too.
  AJW Train Controller

Location: Melbourne
So Murrumbeena station is reopened after months of closure. LXRA are closing Carnegie and Hughesdale stations.  Carnegie for a month (this time) and Hughesdale until "mid 2018".

This reflects badly on LXRA's lack of community consultation. It is still surprising that they don't tell the travelling public about these BIG changes much earlier.
  steve195 Train Controller

So Murrumbeena station is reopened after months of closure. LXRA are closing Carnegie and Hughesdale stations.  Carnegie for a month (this time) and Hughesdale until "mid 2018".

This reflects badly on LXRA's lack of community consultation. It is still surprising that they don't tell the travelling public about these BIG changes much earlier.
AJW
Does it really make much of a difference if we are told one month in advance or six months in advance?
  jdekorte Assistant Commissioner

Location: Near Caulfield Station
So Murrumbeena station is reopened after months of closure. LXRA are closing Carnegie and Hughesdale stations.  Carnegie for a month (this time) and Hughesdale until "mid 2018".

This reflects badly on LXRA's lack of community consultation. It is still surprising that they don't tell the travelling public about these BIG changes much earlier.
AJW
Hughesdale in its current form was bound to close eventually for demolition and subsequent construction of the ramp, it was only a matter of time, I think most of the people who use the station would've expect this. So the announcements probably came as no surprise. While naysayers might criticise LXRA's way of doing things, they seem to forget that they are able to look online, and read posters pinned up at stations. I'm sure everyone realises that it's a bit hard to keep Hughesdale open when they are about to build support piers in the middle of where the platform currently is. So Hughesdale won't reopen in its current form and when it does reopen it will be on the west side of Poath Rd and elevated.
  duttonbay Minister for Railways

Why on the west side of Poath Road?
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Why on the west side of Poath Road?
duttonbay
Because the ramp will start of the East side of Poath Road (they would want stations to be on level track)
  duttonbay Minister for Railways

Why on the west side of Poath Road?
Because the ramp will start of the East side of Poath Road (they would want stations to be on level track)
Nightfire
The ramp down to Oakleigh? Of course, that makes sense.  Thanks.
  John.Z Junior Train Controller

Why on the west side of Poath Road?
Because the ramp will start of the East side of Poath Road (they would want stations to be on level track)
The ramp down to Oakleigh? Of course, that makes sense.  Thanks.
duttonbay
It's also an Island Station, and Pylons for a station would go about where the tracks are now, so the station would have to be demolished anyway and the level crossing rebuilt to allow two tracks centred.
  duttonbay Minister for Railways

Why on the west side of Poath Road?
Because the ramp will start of the East side of Poath Road (they would want stations to be on level track)
The ramp down to Oakleigh? Of course, that makes sense.  Thanks.
It's also an Island Station, and Pylons for a station would go about where the tracks are now, so the station would have to be demolished anyway and the level crossing rebuilt to allow two tracks centred.
John.Z
That wasn't the question, and demolishing the station to remove the island platform doesn't by itself affect whether the station is west, east or centred above Poath Road.
  John.Z Junior Train Controller

Why on the west side of Poath Road?
Because the ramp will start of the East side of Poath Road (they would want stations to be on level track)
The ramp down to Oakleigh? Of course, that makes sense.  Thanks.
It's also an Island Station, and Pylons for a station would go about where the tracks are now, so the station would have to be demolished anyway and the level crossing rebuilt to allow two tracks centred.
That wasn't the question, and demolishing the station to remove the island platform doesn't by itself affect whether the station is west, east or centred above Poath Road.
duttonbay
So you agree that the pylons for a station east of poath road could go through the sleepers and that the realignment of the tracks was no consideration of where the new station was placed?

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