V-Set replacement contract announced

 
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

I don't really know how wide these new trains are supposed to be but I would suggest they are more likely to be 3 metres and not 3.1 metres since that would make them wider then an S set and as wide as old single deck trains. Oscars are 3.034m wide like waratahs and mbugs and the tangara's are actually 3 metres wide and one of these widths makes more sense.

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  SydneyCider Junior Train Controller

Another article:-

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/too-wide-and-long-work-starts-next-year-to-make-line-big-enough-for-new-trains-20170809-gxsana.html

Sydney Trains have also posted a video on their facebook (Aug 9) about the changes which will need to be made to bring the Blue Mountains line west of Springwood in line with rest of the system.

I guess this was inevitable really...once the V-sets would be retired this was going to have to happen unless new trains were built to the narrower specs similar to the V-sets. I think the general thought process is that this particular bottleneck should not impact/limit the train design either now or into the future, especially when the other 2 intercity lines (south coast and central coast/newcastle) have no issue with the wider trains, which do bring advantages such as wider/larger vestibules to reduce narrow choke points, larger toilet blocks, etc and are much more friendly for the disabled.

I guess another question is whether services in the region will be bolstered through "local runs" using suburban stock such as Waratahs? Something like a Penrith-Katoomba or Springwood-Lithgow type run?

Furthermore, will all Oscars be "suburbanised" as the Tangara G sets were or will some be kept with their toilets intact to help "make up the numbers" and bolster services with the new intercity trains?

Will be interesting to see what comes of all this.
  Transtopic Train Controller

According to yesterday's SMH, the new IU trains are 3.1m (10' 2") wide and are too wide for most of the Blue Mountains.

The extra width may allow for 2+3 seating in stead of 2+2 seating.
awsgc24
I doubt that's correct.  More likely to be closer to 3m similar to Oscars, but still too wide for a limited number of pinch points between Springwood and Lithgow.  The specs clearly state, supported by visual graphics, that the Intercity trains will have fixed 2+2 seating.
  SydneyCider Junior Train Controller

Fears over lengthy delays to track work to Blue Mountains line

http://www.lithgowmercury.com.au/story/4858357/service-up-in-air/
  GeoffreyHansen Minister for Railways

Location: In a FAM sleeper
None of the online information seems to say anything about Mount Victoria station. Does it need any work done?

Mount Victoria is a curved through platform can an Oscar like train actually fit through it?
  Throughwestmail Train Controller

Mt Victoria requires the most work to bring it up to standard. It has to be almost completely rebuilt( the track not the station).
  SydneyCider Junior Train Controller

Local MP to debate Transport Minister Constance on new intercity fleet contract

http://www.bluemountainsgazette.com.au/story/4923461/transport-minister-accepts-labor-challenge/
  RTT_Rules The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Dubai UAE
Central Coast was done I think in the 80's.

It will be good for NSW trains to have all three corridors on the same page, much easier for scheduling.
  SydneyCider Junior Train Controller

Central Coast was done I think in the 80's.

It will be good for NSW trains to have all three corridors on the same page, much easier for scheduling.
RTT_Rules

I take it with wider bodied stock allowed to proceed all the way to Lithgow, wouldn't that also allow "local" runs in between the intercity runs - something like a Penrith to Katoomba type run? If they were to do this though would they use suburban trains such as Waratahs or Tangaras?
  Transtopic Train Controller

Local MP to debate Transport Minister Constance on new intercity fleet contract

http://www.bluemountainsgazette.com.au/story/4923461/transport-minister-accepts-labor-challenge/
SydneyCider
What a beat-up!  Labor has to do better than that.  They'd be doing the same thing if they were in power.  I don't agree with everything the Coalition does with transport, but with regard to this issue, they're on the money.  It's inevitable and when you're replacing the whole Intercity Train fleet, it's the time to do it.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

They might have something on the reversible seating but seriously the widening needs to happen.
  djf01 Chief Commissioner

Central Coast was done I think in the 80's.

It will be good for NSW trains to have all three corridors on the same page, much easier for scheduling.
RTT_Rules
+1

It needs to happen.
  SydneyCider Junior Train Controller

Kangy Angy Maintenance site for new intercity trains approved (Newcastle and Central Coast line)

http://www.theherald.com.au/story/4926661/kangy-angy-railroaded/
  SydneyCider Junior Train Controller

I'm actually curious, if the new intercity trains replace all oscars and they are moved to suburban duties, what will happen to the Gosford and Wyong services via the North Shore Line? Will the new intercity trains be travelling through the city subway to Hornsby? or will they keep a couple of Oscars for outer suburban/shorter intercity runs such as this? I guess the further question is, prior to the introduction of the first outer suburban trains (Tangara G sets), I take it all Wyong services were to and from Sydney Terminal via Strathfield/Epping only in days of the U and V sets?
  tazzer96 Deputy Commissioner

I'm actually curious, if the new intercity trains replace all oscars and they are moved to suburban duties, what will happen to the Gosford and Wyong services via the North Shore Line? Will the new intercity trains be travelling through the city subway to Hornsby? or will they keep a couple of Oscars for outer suburban/shorter intercity runs such as this? I guess the further question is, prior to the introduction of the first outer suburban trains (Tangara G sets), I take it all Wyong services were to and from Sydney Terminal via Strathfield/Epping only in days of the U and V sets?
SydneyCider
No, they will be done with the new sets.   Wyong and gosford services via the shore have been done with v sets in the past.   The issue with V sets is that each car is approx 4m longer than a normal suburban car.  So an 8 car v set train is roughly 32m longer than an 8 car oscar or waratah.  Because of this extra length, an 8 car v sets can't fit into the eastern suburbs railway, the city circle and any north shore stations.  
Previosuly they just ran 4 and 6 car v sets via the shore so it wasn't an issue, but now you can't do that, nor do you want to for capacity reasons.

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