Should Same Sex Marriage be legal in Australia?

 
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
According to the evening news of the day he was wearing a VOTE YES badge when he attacked Abbott.  He later came OUT and advised this attack was not related to the YES campaign.  No violence is acceptable regardless of who or where.

Sent my vote back today.

NO problems.
x31

It seems you are OK with swastikas and people throwing rocks through windows - what an interesting individual you are.

Nice to NO

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-09-25/same-sex-marriage-swastika-southern-brisbane/8984768

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  Brianr Assistant Commissioner

Location: Dunedin, New Zealand
This whole affair fills me with disgust and newspaper headlines prove my worst fears. My cousin (suffering from schizoid paranoia and in her late 80's) voted No because the nice pastor told her she would be forced to marry same-sex persons. My sister (her official carer) tried to tell her the pastor was a liar. However this cousin only votes for people with Anglo-Saxon names in normal elections and believes anyone born overseas should be deported.  
I am so glad I moved to NZ in 2010 and became a Kiwi last year. We do things in the civilised way over here. I have considered ripping up my Australian passport, I only use it to enter and leave Australia to visit relatives. And by the way I could become a member of parliament over here, despite my dual citizenship.
  MetroFemme Assistant Commissioner

Any violence obviously not acceptable but people should be able to have their own views which seems to be a problem for the yes camp. You get the vibe the yes group are now getting desperate. Forget the nazi crap which is a sideline issue. People from both sides of the campaign seem to have a problem with the views of the other side and this has lead to vandalism and graffiti on both sides. Abbott being attacked was simply not acceptable and I for one moment do not believe it was for any other reason that his views on the vote.

This is still a free country and you can have your view. Let's not try and throw muck at others who comment on campaign events.
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
Any violence obviously not acceptable but people should be able to have their own views which seems to be a problem for the yes camp. You get the vibe the yes group are now getting desperate. Forget the nazi crap which is a sideline issue. People from both sides of the campaign seem to have a problem with the views of the other side and this has lead to vandalism and graffiti on both sides. Abbott being attacked was simply not acceptable and I for one moment do not believe it was for any other reason that his views on the vote.

This is still a free country and you can have your view. Let's not try and throw muck at others who comment on campaign events.
MetroFemme

Another mixed up cookie.

"Any violence is not acceptable" vs "the nazi crap is a sideline issues" vs "I for one moment do not believe it was for any other reason that his views on the vote."

I think we NO where you stand Razz
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Norda Fittazroy
MetroFemme - there are only two valid views: Yes and No.

All the rest of the argy bargy that you and others seem to like or dislike in equal measure is generated by hysteria, red herrings, lies, incorrect information and so on.

I repeat what I have said since day 1; it's a simple question. . .  do you want equal rights for people or not?  The behaviour of idiots, bigots, homophobics, religious cranks et al is completely irrelevant to the point at issue.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
MetroFemme - there are only two valid views: Yes and No.
Valvegear
Actually, only one valid view, yes.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Any violence obviously not acceptable but people should be able to have their own views which seems to be a problem for the yes camp.
MetroFemme
Surely what you meant to say was: "Any discrimination is obviously not acceptable and all people should be able to have equal rights which seems to be a problem for the no camp."

You get the vibe the yes group are now getting desperate.
MetroFemme

Again, surely you mean: "You get the vibe the no group are getting desperate."

This is still a free country and you can have your view. Let's not try and throw muck at others who comment on campaign events.
MetroFemme
My last correction: "This is a country that shouldn't support those holding a view towards discrimination. Let's just bring about some equality on this issue."
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

Any violence obviously not acceptable but people should be able to have their own views which seems to be a problem for the yes camp.     .....................
MetroFemme

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-07-07/alan-joyce-pie-thrower-tony-overheu-fined-for-qantas-boss-attack/8688666
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Actually, only one valid view, yes.
"Aaron"
Both views are valid, but the No view is misguided and riddled with errors.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
No Valvegear, we will have to agree to disagree, on a question allowing inequality and discrimination ‘no’ is always going to be invalid.

Definitions of invalid specifically mention contravening regulation or law, and views, statements etc based on erroneous information or unsound reasoning.

No is simply not a valid response to this question.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Valvegear speak with forked tongue stuck firmly in cheek.
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

@MetroFemme. The Yes campaign do have their radicals but it is nowhere near the filth from some of the No campaign and I for one are sick and tired of them playing the victim.

The ads are full of red herrings. Discussing about safe schools. Well that has nothing to do with SSM.  That freedoms are being eroded in countries that have legalised SSM. That is a blatant lie and has not been proven. Some in the no camp are peddling crap to spread fear. As I have mentioned earlier you are entitled to say no, but there is no need to spread lies and baseless rumours.

So to put it as plainly as I can because some of the posters do not understand.  The question is

SHOULD SAME SEX MARRIAGE BE LEGAL IN AUSTRALIA?

Michael
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
The ALP demonstrating their support for democracy and free speech in the news yesterday

Tas ALP Senator Helen P_____? a catholic and personally No voter but does not promote the No vote, only states if asked (apparently). Told by ALP leadership publicly she must "pretend" to support the Yes vote and been given hard time by staffers and others within the party.

Bill Shorten going on record that even if the No vote gets up, he will introduce the bill into the house anyway.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line

Bill Shorten going on record that even if the No vote gets up, he will introduce the bill into the house anyway.
RTT_Rules

Which is moot.

The 'NO' vote has a snowflakes chance of succeeding and according to recent polling is even weaker than the NO vote cast in Ireland.

Mike.
  gordon_s1942 Chief Commissioner

Location: Central Tablelands of NSW
As usual the question being asked isnt going to illicit the answer most people would prefer and despite the real likely hood that the 'YES' vote will win by a substantial majority (look a dill if it dont, eh? ) This is not the end of the debate by a long shot.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE

Bill Shorten going on record that even if the No vote gets up, he will introduce the bill into the house anyway.
Which is moot.

The 'NO' vote has a snowflakes chance of succeeding and according to recent polling is even weaker than the NO vote cast in Ireland.

Mike.
The Vinelander
Agree, but why say it then? Why tell people despite what the people vote, you will ignore them anyway? Have they not learnt anything from Gillard's no CO2 tax backflip?

Also why place pressure on your own MP's to support something that has already been announced will be a conscious vote? Other ALP MP's are also against the Proposal but keep silent worried about repercussions.  We all know the far left of the ALP oppose democracy and would prefer a Nth Korean style ballet instead, but Billy should be keeping his party in line with community expectations.
  Myrtone Chief Commissioner

Location: North Carlton, Melbourne, Victoria
I voted yes but I see it for what it is, not giving homosexual people a civil right that heterosexual people already have, simply giving everyone the right to marry a consenting adult of the same sex.
  Clyde Goodwin2 Chief Train Controller

I have also voted YES as it realy is the only fair and just thing to do.
These Homophobic religious ratbags that tried every possible dirty smear tricks to get people to vote no deserve nothing but our utter contempt.

It all boils down in my book to the simple fact that with ss marriage if one partner dies then the other is able to claim on the deceased partners Super,Life Insurance Property and such like things just the same as a wife can claim her husbands financials at the current time.

It is a no brainer as it will not change the world,the devil will not rise,plagues will not infest the earth etc etc.

As for the totaly insane types of comments that ss marriages fail well guess what so do many male female ones.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
I have also voted YES as it realy is the only fair and just thing to do.
These Homophobic religious ratbags that tried every possible dirty smear tricks to get people to vote no deserve nothing but our utter contempt.

It all boils down in my book to the simple fact that with ss marriage if one partner dies then the other is able to claim on the deceased partners Super,Life Insurance Property and such like things just the same as a wife can claim her husbands financials at the current time.

It is a no brainer as it will not change the world,the devil will not rise,plagues will not infest the earth etc etc.

As for the totaly insane types of comments that ss marriages fail well guess what so do many male female ones.
Clyde Goodwin2
Agree and support.

I'm not sure how related this is but it just seems there is alot of extremism in this gender crap going on.

- Almost every week I read about another school in the "should girls be forced to wear a dress/skirt" debate. Parents claiming the skirts are too short, they cannot play like boys. I doubt there is a school around that deliberately made the skirts so short the girls are flashing, but I remember my old school days when the girls raised the hem themselves. Then there is schools where girls are complaining that they now have to wear long pants like the boys no option and want an option to wear a skirt again.

My wife's view was very simple, if we had a daughter she would be wearing the school uniform and if it was a skirt (preferred) it will be a skirt because when you become an adult, the corporate world often does not avail choice in what you wear and school is preparation in to getting a job.

- Reading today a school in Sweden where there is no gender, all gender related stories have been changed and there is no boy or girl, they use a no gender reference "hen". Not sure what the toilets are called?

I mean FFS, yes some 8-9 year olds, males and females are at their most similar physically but also mentally. However little girls still aspire to be princesses and dress up and tend to be less physical and boys want to play with anything with wheels and their play is rougher. What do we do next, make them dress exactly the same and they all have one style of haircut? Toilets are just a common cubical design?

I support the yes vote, if nothing else to provide equal legal status, but is the the above going to be the norm?
  Gayspie Deputy Commissioner

Location: Adelaide, SA
Yes. Smile
  MetroFemme Assistant Commissioner

The uk census about to be undertaken has been forced to drop the question of are you male or female due to a tiny minority placing pressure on the department.

Despite there only being 2 sets of genitals available in humans apparently someone can be neither. Ideology getting in the way of common sense.

Should we expect this if the yes vote gets up?

Proudly a woman.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
The UK census has not been ‘forced’ to drop the question, they are looking into the removal of the question, they won’t, they’ll just make it non mandatory, and/or include intersex and prefer not to say options.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
The UK census has not been ‘forced’ to drop the question, they are looking into the removal of the question, they won’t, they’ll just make it non mandatory, and/or include intersex and prefer not to say options.
Aaron
And nor should they drop the question

Ok today things today are not as black and white so its simple

Gender
MALE
FEMALE
NEITHER

If you have had transgender surgery, I mean the full thing, its very clear. If you have only gone part way which many do as the surgery to convert you male bits to female or VV is from what I understand very complicated, painful and can result in full loss of sexual function. Then you associate yourself with one of the top two regardless. Neither would be for  those who in many cases  are females that have had breasts removed and don't dress or associate as either male or female etc etc

But still +99% of people are clearly male or female even if they have had full TG surgery. How can you remove a question that 99% can answer?
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
There are also those born with varying degrees of hermaphroditism. Estimates vary, but nowhere even close to a percent, more like about 0.5 permille (1/20th percent).
  petan Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting to see a zebra using a zebra crossing!
The winners would be the PR spin doctors who will make a $$$$$ fortune making the losers appear the winners! These PR companies are probably the ones that specialize in damage control.

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