Ad Met goings on -

 
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
If the railway was a priority in the project, then it would result in the North-South Motorway being sunk, the intersection between Cross Road, South Road and the motorway ramps at surface level and the railway over the top. It would be the method of least disruption for the railway, just like the bridge built over the T2T section of the NSC with just weekend works and one short shutdown for the heavy lifting. The optics are better too, it's good for motorists to see public transport cruising overhead while they are stuck in a traffic jam.
justapassenger
It's a reasonably tight-ish curve going from the level crossing into the straight towards Edwardstown station; I agree, I can't see how using the former Hills site will make much difference. I believe that the decision has already been made to sink the road for most of the distance - if that was the case then it makes your scenario with the line going above all the roads more likely.

Whatever solution they come up with it's going to be very big $$$ when the project makes its way to that area.

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  nm39 Chief Commissioner

Location: By a road taking pictures
Whatever happens, I would be extremely surprised if the railway crossed the NSC at ground level with roads both below and above. The practicality of having the Cross Road intersection at anything other than ground level rules it out.

The NSC is inevitable, but I do see it turning into a political project in terms of one major party preferring an elevated motorway while the other prefers the motorway in a trench, and the party in power at the time getting their choice of strategy. Both main parties in SA agree completely on having rail as a low priority in any respect other than shoving it out of the way for road traffic, so DPTI will have no choice but to rebuild the railway around whatever gets chosen as the headline priority for the motorway.

If the railway was a priority in the project, then it would result in the North-South Motorway being sunk, the intersection between Cross Road, South Road and the motorway ramps at surface level and the railway over the top. It would be the method of least disruption for the railway, just like the bridge built over the T2T section of the NSC with just weekend works and one short shutdown for the heavy lifting. The optics are better too, it's good for motorists to see public transport cruising overhead while they are stuck in a traffic jam.


I think it's fanciful to suggest the line will turn right after Raglan Ave to head through the former Hills site, left to straighten up and then turn right again to point towards Clarence Park station. You won't be able to make things faster by replacing two curves with three in the same space.
justapassenger
You are completely correct in all respects. My only point is that nothing is finalised yet. I included the Hills Site as an extreme concept, not a desired one. Further to arguments between the different political parties, there is also the fact the Liberal Party has always backed the mid-block route and not an "upgrade" to South Rd, so whether the Emerson Crossing is included or not in the final alignment or not remains to be seen.
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
I know this makes no sense what-so-ever, but on Friday morning a technician was servicing the level crossing boom gate motors on the closed Rosewater Loop line Grand Junction Road crossing .......... Incidentally the gates have been chained in the up position for a few years now!  Rolling Eyes
  DJPeters Deputy Commissioner

I know this makes no sense what-so-ever, but on Friday morning a technician was servicing the level crossing boom gate motors on the closed Rosewater Loop line Grand Junction Road crossing .......... Incidentally the gates have been chained in the up position for a few years now!  Rolling Eyes
Pressman
To compound that this track is no longer connected at the Gilman end as the BG freight bypassed this track over the Diver Derrick Bridges. And if the Adelaide Metro end is reconfigured it will be cut off there as well so it seems rather pointless to attend to something to something that might never get used again. But my guess is they might be going to reuse the motors and bits and pieces elsewhere.

The level crossing at Kilkenny was removed a short ago while after operating there for nearly 20 years and only about 3 years or maybe less was spent in actual service. When they resleepered the Outer Harbor line the crossing bitumen part was never actually put back in. This was a not a road crossing though but a crossing provided when a local farm machinery manufacture had factories both side's of the tracks here and rather move large pieces of farm machinery on public roads the private crossing was put in for them. The farm machinery firm now gets it all made overseas and has done so now for a good 20 years, but Adelaide Metro left it in place working for all that time doing nothing as each side was fenced off but gates were provided in the fence just in case of!

Adelaide Metro or rather DPTI are probably going to use them to upgrade a crossing somewhere so they serviced the units in situ rather than remove them and have to store them.
  normangerman Junior Train Controller

Here's a progress video for the Torrens Junction project:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJ7Hbkfb-1Q
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
I've had a drive this week past Park Tce level crossing works and along South Road - Park Terrace is coming along, no trace of the old train track left at all, interesting to see the scale of the works. Also good to get a glimpse of the excavation around Port Road/South Road and the entrance to the South Road project, lots of work done and it's interesting to see how deep the actual road will be.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

A couple of days ago I saw a 4-car 3100 consist heading through Woodlands Park station (non-stopping) towards the city at about 4:50pm.

My guess is that this would have been related to the logistics of running a DEMU service on the Belair line for 16 days without any access to the Dry Creek depot. Are they doing refuelling or basic maintenance at the Lonsdale sidings or Seaford Meadows depot?

I'd be surprised if they using those facilities for simply stabling them overnight, given that Seaford Meadows is full and there are four whole platforms at Adelaide station which could be used instead of Lonsdale.
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
Good to see that Adelaide Metro is taking advantage of the Outer Harbor/Grange line closures with the Woodville Road level crossing scheduled to be remade with a 60 hour road closure next weekend (13th to 16th October)
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Huge amounts of progress on South Road the last time I drove past, the trench is extending from Port Rd towards Torrens Rd very fast. They have put the pedestrian bridge in place at Cedar Ave and also the road bridge for Hawker Street. Excavation is happening at a great pace - I wonder if they are using the spoil for the Northern Connector?
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

Good to see that Adelaide Metro is taking advantage of the Outer Harbor/Grange line closures with the Woodville Road level crossing scheduled to be remade with a 60 hour road closure next weekend (13th to 16th October)
Pressman
Similar work has been done on the Cormack Road level crossing at Dry Creek over this weekend to take advantage of the two week Gawler line closure, the road is due to reopen tomorrow morning.

There are a whole variety of other minor works to be done on the OH/Grange lines throughout the next two months, not all of it being well publicised as not all of them will require road closures. Looks like someone has learned from the Rail Revitalisation fiasco.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

The work on the Torrens Junction site is running ahead of schedule, with the result being that the Gawler line will be handed back two days early with trains to resume from the first service on Saturday morning.

It's not a moment too soon, there was a very rough sounding 3100 Class coughing and spluttering its way up the Belair line yesterday afternoon whic could do with a visit to the maintenance depot at Dry Creek.
  trainznbuses Train Controller

Location: Seacliff Park, SA
No trains into or out of ARS at the moment - from CFSScan:

MFS: *CFSRES INC0053 12/10/17 13:59 RESPOND HEAVY RESCUE, ALARM LEVEL: 1, : @MILE END RAILWAY STN JAMES CONGDON DR MILE END,MAP:ADL 117 P12,TG C156 T186, == CALL COMMS FOR DETAILS :ADL203 ADL204 CAR20 DUTY OFFCR STM409 : AGENCY: MFS - CAR 20 DATE: 12/10/2017 2:00 PM
CFSScan

AdMet saying on their website that Belair only running Belair to Mitcham, Seaford only running from Seaford to the Showgrounds -

http://www.adelaidemetro.com.au/Announcements/Unplanned-Disruptions/Belair-trains-only-running-between-Belair-and-Mitcham-stations-due-to-incident.-Updates-to-come

http://www.adelaidemetro.com.au/Announcements/Unplanned-Disruptions/Seaford-trains-only-running-between-Seaford-and-Adelaide-Showground-stations-due-to-incident.-Updates-to-come
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

A man was hit by a train after suffering a mental health episode.

Services have resumed to/from Adelaide but are not stopping at Mile End.
  normangerman Junior Train Controller

The train driver did a great job on the way from Seaford this afternoon, he advised passengers that there was an incident ahead and that they will be terminating at Adelaide Showgrounds. They also advised of alternative services to the city. There were also announcements made at the stations themselves. They are getting better.
  patsstuffnow Junior Train Controller

I recently spoke with a gang who were servicing electricals and signage along the Rosewater loop line. The line is still open for staff training and emergency situations from at least the Outer harbor end. I had a brief chat with them about running services as I mention below and they thought it could be a good idea.

It is a pity during all these closures that Outer harbour services do not run as normal to Woodville, then use the up track to Croydon as single line working.
And Grange services could work as normal and use the down track to Croydon as a single line operation.
Buses could be used to link Croydon to the city with about a ten minute delay rather than the forty five minute fiascos being offered.

The system for parallel running already exists with this system as SteamRanger utilised it on the South line quite a few times.
It would save a lot of time for commuters and save using a lot of buses.

Passengers out this way are getting really pissed off with the way they are being treated here.

If the link through Rosewater had not been cut at Dry Creek it would have been easy to return all the rollingstock at night for refuelling and servicing.

With the proposed link to the port dock if a set or two of jumbos had been retained a new Barossa wine train could have been started , but Mullighans clowns had to dispose of the cars so no jobs could be created for south Australian rail workers.
One of the reasons the Barossa wine train could not run ( alledgedly) was conflicting schedules in the Barossa. With the Stonie long gone that is no longer a reason,
With grade separation it means you could now cross the standard gauge without track access fees.

Starting the run from the museum would add a catchment area of extra passengers.
And if the Rosewater loop is retained and a standard gauge link is added to the NATIONAL RAILWAY MUSEUM, it would provide a facility for a visit by a standard gauge train, and be a possible base for a standard gauge train service inside SA ,

In the event of the Torrens Junction duck pond filling with floodwater should the Torrens River flood at the chokepoint next to the brewery you could keep trains running via Rosewater at least temporarily.

Any increase in access to Port Dock would offer increased job opportunities for local jobs and provide a back up link.

In the days of terrorist situations what would happen to the Port of Adelaide  if the bridge was damaged or bombed?
If the link was still in place via Rosewater the port could be reopened in a very short time at minimal cost.

If the labor party wants to sell the rosewater loop land for housing. Have they done soil tests? as for many years the SAR poison train had DDT as an active ingredient.
I have seen an official can of SAR brand chemicals for treating septic tanks to "sweeten " tanks, and believe that DDT was a significant part of poison train poisons.
  patsstuffnow Junior Train Controller

Good to see that Adelaide Metro is taking advantage of the Outer Harbor/Grange line closures with the Woodville Road level crossing scheduled to be remade with a 60 hour road closure next weekend (13th to 16th October)
Pressman
It is amazing to see advances in technology and quality service.

The Woodville road crossing was resurfaced not long ago. And in SAR days a 24 hour closure was all they needed even with replacing wooden sleepers.
So now with concrete sleepers it takes 60 hours ????

Rod Hook lives on !!!
  patsstuffnow Junior Train Controller

Good to see that Adelaide Metro is taking advantage of the Outer Harbor/Grange line closures with the Woodville Road level crossing scheduled to be remade with a 60 hour road closure next weekend (13th to 16th October)
It is amazing to see advances in technology and quality service.

The Woodville road crossing was resurfaced not long ago. And in SAR days a 24 hour closure was all they needed even with replacing wooden sleepers.
So now with concrete sleepers it takes 60 hours ????

Rod Hook lives on !!!
  62430 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Metro Adelaide
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It is a pity during all these closures that Outer harbour services do not run as normal to Woodville, then use the up track to Croydon as single line working.
And Grange services could work as normal and use the down track to Croydon as a single line operation.
Buses could be used to link Croydon to the city with about a ten minute delay rather than the forty five minute fiascos being offered.

The system for parallel running already exists with this system as SteamRanger utilised it on the South line quite a few times.
It would save a lot of time for commuters and save using a lot of buses.

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patsstuffnow
Croydon station platforms are currently being rebuilt to eliminate the TSR for limited clearance.  In addition the street network around the station would not support buses running to the station.  Another problem is that the Kilkenny level crossing is not signalled for bi-directional operation.

Which section of the South line permitted bi-directional running?  The only sizeable length of track in the AdMet network signalled for bi-di that I am aware of was the Brighton - Noarlungs section which was eliminated in the 2013 resignalling.
  kipioneer Chief Commissioner

Location: Aberfoyle Park
62430Which section of the South line permitted bi-directional running? The only sizeable length of track in the AdMet network signalled for bi-di that I am aware of was the Brighton - Noarlungs section which was eliminated in the 2013 resignalling.



Until the up line was appropriated for the standard guage line the line from between Millswood and Unley Park (roughly the end of Northgate Street - the quite large concrete equipment shed is still there) and Belair was bi-directional, though perhaps not signalled for it.

I recall Steamranger organised at least one parallel run one train on each track.

The Show shuttles would also terminate at the Millswood cross-overs so there must have been signalling there, I can't recall.
  patsstuffnow Junior Train Controller

Croydon station platforms are currently being rebuilt to eliminate the TSR for limited clearance.  In addition the street network around the station would not support buses running to the station.  Another problem is that the Kilkenny level crossing is not signalled for bi-directional operation.

Which section of the South line permitted bi-directional running?  The only sizeable length of track in the AdMet network signalled for bi-di that I am aware of was the Brighton - Noarlungs section which was eliminated in the 2013 resignalling.
62430
SteamRanger ran several parallel runs from Millswood towards Belair before standardisation with the new signalling system.

Platform clearances on the Port line have been an issue since the 1920's. Large Webb engines and 900 diesels were restricted and the tight clearance between tracks made it difficult to move track in at the platforms.
Because modern railcars ( sic!) do not have piston cylinders it should not be too difficult to remove width from the platform surface to eliminate the clearance issues.
When Mile End museum was relocated to the Port one engine did not fit and was rerouted via dry Creek.


In addition SteamRanger operated a three loco parallel run between Goodwood and Mile End not long before standardisation.
It does not require resignalling, just minor reprogramming and some organisation.

The streets on the Port Road side of Croydon would be serviced much more quickly then the 45 minute delay experienced by Port line commuters from North Haven, Outer Harbor etc.

What contingency plans are in place for when the River Torrens experiences its 1 in 200 year flood and breaks its banks at the Southwark brewery area?

There are better rail services in third world countries than what is dished up for western suburbs  commuters.

Has nobody else noticed that the new electrics are just sufficient to provide the seaford/ tonsley services.
Every rail service in the world that has electrified has experienced 50 to 100% increases in patronage. But Adelaide only provided 20% more seats. Retention of the jumbos would have added 20% more.
In Steam days a seven car Marino or Brighton train provided about 500 seats, bike racks, parcels, etc
but now a three car electric has  222 seats on a maximum immoveable consist.
I understand that some key platforms have been shortened to restrict trains to less than six car sets so you can not match 70 years ago capacities.
The 5.10 to Brighton was for many years the peak loaded train on the system.
Can somebody go back and list capacities of seats in 2017, 1997, 1977, 1957 and 1937.
It would be interesting to see how much capacity has increased over that time.
Are the railways catering for demand or just running trains to suit the railways?

A six car redhen set in original configuration seated 476 with trailer cars
4000 class three car set 222 passengers
3100 class by four cars 452 seated passengers.

Can anybody see an increase in capacity?
  DJPeters Deputy Commissioner

Certain parts of Adelaide Metro (STA) tracks were indeed bi directional including the Noarlunga Centre line the signals were actually installed for it but the signal heads were turned 90 degrees to the track and covered with a bag. When the new signalling was installed this was all removed as were the emergency crossovers in a few places  a few years before that, that would have allowed trains to leap frog around a broken down or slower train. I bet they regret that now. But you must remember also that the then STA was mainly made up of bus men not rail men and it looked to most people that they were trying to run a rail system using bus principles, but alas it did not work. So when rail failed you simply called in old faithful and ran a few buses till it could be sorted out, it still happens now actually because of the same problem and because it has become standard to do it.

The Outer Harbor line was never signaled for Bi directional running and only ever had and has an up and down line.

In the older system if a train broke down the one behind it was given written permission to ease up to it couple to it and push it back to either Adelaide or a place where it could be stabled out of the way without much fuss.
  DJPeters Deputy Commissioner

Croydon station platforms are currently being rebuilt to eliminate the TSR for limited clearance.  In addition the street network around the station would not support buses running to the station.  Another problem is that the Kilkenny level crossing is not signalled for bi-directional operation.

Which section of the South line permitted bi-directional running?  The only sizeable length of track in the AdMet network signalled for bi-di that I am aware of was the Brighton - Noarlungs section which was eliminated in the 2013 resignalling.
SteamRanger ran several parallel runs from Millswood towards Belair before standardisation with the new signalling system.

Platform clearances on the Port line have been an issue since the 1920's. Large Webb engines and 900 diesels were restricted and the tight clearance between tracks made it difficult to move track in at the platforms.
Because modern railcars ( sic!) do not have piston cylinders it should not be too difficult to remove width from the platform surface to eliminate the clearance issues.
When Mile End museum was relocated to the Port one engine did not fit and was rerouted via dry Creek.


In addition SteamRanger operated a three loco parallel run between Goodwood and Mile End not long before standardisation.
It does not require resignalling, just minor reprogramming and some organisation.

The streets on the Port Road side of Croydon would be serviced much more quickly then the 45 minute delay experienced by Port line commuters from North Haven, Outer Harbor etc.

What contingency plans are in place for when the River Torrens experiences its 1 in 200 year flood and breaks its banks at the Southwark brewery area?

There are better rail services in third world countries than what is dished up for western suburbs  commuters.

Has nobody else noticed that the new electrics are just sufficient to provide the seaford/ tonsley services.
Every rail service in the world that has electrified has experienced 50 to 100% increases in patronage. But Adelaide only provided 20% more seats. Retention of the jumbos would have added 20% more.
In Steam days a seven car Marino or Brighton train provided about 500 seats, bike racks, parcels, etc
but now a three car electric has  222 seats on a maximum immoveable consist.
I understand that some key platforms have been shortened to restrict trains to less than six car sets so you can not match 70 years ago capacities.
The 5.10 to Brighton was for many years the peak loaded train on the system.
Can somebody go back and list capacities of seats in 2017, 1997, 1977, 1957 and 1937.
It would be interesting to see how much capacity has increased over that time.
Are the railways catering for demand or just running trains to suit the railways?

A six car redhen set in original configuration seated 476 with trailer cars
4000 class three car set 222 passengers
3100 class by four cars 452 seated passengers.

Can anybody see an increase in capacity?
patsstuffnow
You forget one little detail and that is today more people have a private car and in some households cars so the use of PT has dropped over the years. A lot of people like the fact that a car can take you somewhere and you can leave or stay when you like to not held up to ransom with a timetable. I still use public transport but I do not care really how long it takes to get any where just as long as I get there. If you have an appointment at the RAH say and it is for 9.30 am you have to allow extra time into any PT timetable to get there, sure the timetable says the bus gets to stop X at 9am but an accident or something can throw a timetable right out of the window even if you drive a car, so simply leave a bit earlier for that 9.30am appointment and try to get the 8.30 service into Adelaide. If you are allowed and get there early have a cup of coffee at the kiosk or whatever to while away the time. It is not rocket science to do this though.

I aim to get anywhere where I have to be at a set time early, not always possible though but being half hour early they might even see you a bit earlier than your appointed time, it does happen now and again.
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
Queen Street Level Crossing closed today for upgrade work.
Interesting to see a Hi-rail excavator parked overnight at platform 1 of Woodville station.

Trenching going gang busters around Park Terrace, and looks like concrete bridge beams stock piled on War Memorial Drive near the junction worksite
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Drove past the North Terrace/King William tram line works today and it is certainly progressing very quickly, the tracks are laid up past the Entertainment Centre now with what appears to be space for an island platform and a turn-back at the end.

Also noticed earlier this week that there's been a lot of progress on the South Road project with the trenches getting deeper and works reinforcing the walls as they go down, interesting to see how they're engineering it. I was with a work colleague at the time and we remarked on how the houses on the eastern side of the old South Road have really hit the jackpot - they used to be on a stupidly busy (and narrow) main road but once its all finished they will be facing a (comparatively) lightly used slip road.
  DJPeters Deputy Commissioner

Drove past the North Terrace/King William tram line works today and it is certainly progressing very quickly, the tracks are laid up past the Entertainment Centre now with what appears to be space for an island platform and a turn-back at the end.

Also noticed earlier this week that there's been a lot of progress on the South Road project with the trenches getting deeper and works reinforcing the walls as they go down, interesting to see how they're engineering it. I was with a work colleague at the time and we remarked on how the houses on the eastern side of the old South Road have really hit the jackpot - they used to be on a stupidly busy (and narrow) main road but once its all finished they will be facing a (comparatively) lightly used slip road.
don_dunstan
The Entertainment Centre there is actually The Festival Hall and Festival Centre the actual Adelaide Entertainment Centre is at Hindmarsh!

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