Questions about the network

 
  Ethan1395 Junior Train Controller

Location: An OSCar H Set
I have a few questions about the Sydney Trains and NSW Trainlink networks:

  • Do all stations in suburban Sydney minus the Carlingford Line have Platform Information Displays (PIDs)? I am yet to find a station without them.
  • Why did a station with low patronage like Casula get lifts before a highly patronised station? likewise, why is another lowly patronised station like Adamstown getting lifts? The lifts at these stations came / are coming with new footbridges, is there a plan to eventually put a lift at every station (including intercity)? and the new footbridges gave them the opportunity to get those stations over and done with? or do modern disability laws require the lifts? but then why did another lowly patronised station like Clyde (which is actually an interchange so would probably warrant lifts more than Casula and Adamstown) only get stair lifts?
  • Why terminate trains at Penrith and Campbelltown when Emu Plains and Macarthur are one station away? since the train is already in the area, wouldn't it make the network more consistent to terminate all trains at Emu Plains and Macarthur? It's not like Hornsby - Berowra which three has intermediate stations, I can understand why trains terminate at Hornsby.
  • Why are only Tangaras (and the occasional OSCar) used on the T4 Illawarra Line? is there not enough other rolling stock available? but then wouldn't it be best to deploy a variety on all lined rather than just having Tangaras to Sutherland and Waratahs to Richmond for, once again, consistency? although I can doing this could potentially increase maintenance costs. Also, is there any reason in particular that Tangaras don't normally operate on lines that use the City Circle? or is this just coincidental?
  • Why with the current timetable and map, do we have trains terminating at Homebush but few trains serving Homebush as an intermediate station? It's crazy that Flemington is the station after Homebush, yet requires one to catch two trains to reach, good thing this is changing soon.
  • Why do South Coast Line services which use Central's intercity platforms also stop at Redfern (I can understand why the services using the Eastern Suburbs Line do), it's the station after Central and these are express services that should aim to leave the city as quickly as possible. Wouldn't Sydenham be a better stop as it would allow connections with the T3 Bankstown Line?
  • Why do 8 carriage trains service the T7 Olympic Park Line yet only 4 carriage trains service the T5 Cumberland Line? I'm not sure about patronage but the Cumberland Line certainly has a higher catchment than the Olympic Park Line.

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  tazzer96 Deputy Commissioner

I have a few questions about the Sydney Trains and NSW Trainlink networks:

  • Do all stations in suburban Sydney minus the Carlingford Line have Platform Information Displays (PIDs)? I am yet to find a station without them.
  • Why did a station with low patronage like Casula get lifts before a highly patronised station? likewise, why is another lowly patronised station like Adamstown getting lifts? The lifts at these stations came / are coming with new footbridges, is there a plan to eventually put a lift at every station (including intercity)? and the new footbridges gave them the opportunity to get those stations over and done with? or do modern disability laws require the lifts? but then why did another lowly patronised station like Clyde (which is actually an interchange so would probably warrant lifts more than Casula and Adamstown) only get stair lifts?
  • Why terminate trains at Penrith and Campbelltown when Emu Plains and Macarthur are one station away? since the train is already in the area, wouldn't it make the network more consistent to terminate all trains at Emu Plains and Macarthur? It's not like Hornsby - Berowra which three has intermediate stations, I can understand why trains terminate at Hornsby.
  • Why are only Tangaras (and the occasional OSCar) used on the T4 Illawarra Line? is there not enough other rolling stock available? but then wouldn't it be best to deploy a variety on all lined rather than just having Tangaras to Sutherland and Waratahs to Richmond for, once again, consistency? although I can doing this could potentially increase maintenance costs. Also, is there any reason in particular that Tangaras don't normally operate on lines that use the City Circle? or is this just coincidental?
  • Why with the current timetable and map, do we have trains terminating at Homebush but few trains serving Homebush as an intermediate station? It's crazy that Flemington is the station after Homebush, yet requires one to catch two trains to reach, good thing this is changing soon.
  • Why do South Coast Line services which use Central's intercity platforms also stop at Redfern (I can understand why the services using the Eastern Suburbs Line do), it's the station after Central and these are express services that should aim to leave the city as quickly as possible. Wouldn't Sydenham be a better stop as it would allow connections with the T3 Bankstown Line?
  • Why do 8 carriage trains service the T7 Olympic Park Line yet only 4 carriage trains service the T5 Cumberland Line? I'm not sure about patronage but the Cumberland Line certainly has a higher catchment than the Olympic Park Line.
Ethan1395
1.   I don't know.  I think they all have at least a bare minimum display.
2. Because these decisions are made by bureaucrat's which logic doesn't make sense to them.   Very long term all stations will eventually get lifts because of disablility laws.
3. Many reasons, one is track capacity.   Penrith, macarthur and campbelltown have 3 platforms, with 1 side platform dedicated for terminating services.  This allows the running lines to remain clear for other traffic to pass.  Another reason is history, emu plains wasn't a suburban station and macarthur is a fairly new station.  Another is crewing related.  
4. they moved the T4 to only have tangara's to have consistency in the line but also remove tangaras from other lines.  Currently the main maintenance depot for tangaras is also at mortdale.  Its just the current timetable means that tangaras don't go through the city circle, there isn't a reasons for why they can't and occasionally do run through. Another reason is due to where the waratahs are maintained.  It just makes more sense to run waratah's on the western, south and bankstown lines.  
5. I have no reason why this is and I think it should be changed.  
6.  while I am unaware of what the exact reason why, possible reasons include that all South coast services are only 160m at most and all services can use redfern, this is not the case for newcastle or blue mountains services. Redfern allows interchange from all the lines going west along the main suburban line, along with limited number of BM and Newcastle services.  Has always confused me why sydenham isn't a regular stop.  It also allows the interchange of people wanting to go into the cbd, taking away strain off central which can get quite crowded.
7.  8 car trains on olympic park is likely just so they don't have to screw everything around when some event is on and would require an 8 car set.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

1. Yes
2. Casula got lifts as part of the southern sydney freight line upgrade and in general eventually every station on the suburban network will get lifts.
3. Penrith and Campbelltown have stabling yards and neither macarthur or emu plains do is why trains terminate at those stations and not at the other.
4. T4 hasn't had the big wire setup with the extra amperage to operate Waratahs and Milleniums.
5. This will change with the new timetable.
6. Redfern is close to Sydney university for students.
7. Olympic park services vary in size between 4 and 8 cars depending on the time of day and if any sporting events are on. Cumberland line has 8 cars in the peak.
  seb2351 Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
Nearly all these questions can be answered simply by politics. Overlap a map of marginal seats and voting preferences and you will see why.
  s3_gunzel Not a gunzel developer

Location: Western Sydney, AU
Cumberland line has 8 cars in the peak.
simstrain
Bull. Go read the SWTT again. Cumberland is 4 car trains all day.
  cityrail-rulez Chief Train Controller

I have a few questions about the Sydney Trains and NSW Trainlink networks:

  • Do all stations in suburban Sydney minus the Carlingford Line have Platform Information Displays (PIDs)? I am yet to find a station without them.
  • Why did a station with low patronage like Casula get lifts before a highly patronised station? likewise, why is another lowly patronised station like Adamstown getting lifts? The lifts at these stations came / are coming with new footbridges, is there a plan to eventually put a lift at every station (including intercity)? and the new footbridges gave them the opportunity to get those stations over and done with? or do modern disability laws require the lifts? but then why did another lowly patronised station like Clyde (which is actually an interchange so would probably warrant lifts more than Casula and Adamstown) only get stair lifts?
  • Why terminate trains at Penrith and Campbelltown when Emu Plains and Macarthur are one station away? since the train is already in the area, wouldn't it make the network more consistent to terminate all trains at Emu Plains and Macarthur? It's not like Hornsby - Berowra which three has intermediate stations, I can understand why trains terminate at Hornsby.
  • Why are only Tangaras (and the occasional OSCar) used on the T4 Illawarra Line? is there not enough other rolling stock available? but then wouldn't it be best to deploy a variety on all lined rather than just having Tangaras to Sutherland and Waratahs to Richmond for, once again, consistency? although I can doing this could potentially increase maintenance costs. Also, is there any reason in particular that Tangaras don't normally operate on lines that use the City Circle? or is this just coincidental?
  • Why with the current timetable and map, do we have trains terminating at Homebush but few trains serving Homebush as an intermediate station? It's crazy that Flemington is the station after Homebush, yet requires one to catch two trains to reach, good thing this is changing soon.
  • Why do South Coast Line services which use Central's intercity platforms also stop at Redfern (I can understand why the services using the Eastern Suburbs Line do), it's the station after Central and these are express services that should aim to leave the city as quickly as possible. Wouldn't Sydenham be a better stop as it would allow connections with the T3 Bankstown Line?
  • Why do 8 carriage trains service the T7 Olympic Park Line yet only 4 carriage trains service the T5 Cumberland Line? I'm not sure about patronage but the Cumberland Line certainly has a higher catchment than the Olympic Park Line.
Ethan1395
1) NOT all stations are fitted with Platform Information Displays. Many stations on the Southern Highlands, Northern and Hunter lines has none!

2) Has already been stated 'part of the upgrade with the South Sydney Freight Line'

3) already stated above

4) Tangara trains has operated on the City Circle line and of course still do, not sure now I haven't been to Sydney much these days

5) Homebush used to be a terminus for LOCAL trains, Macdonaldtown all stations to Strathfield and then Homebush
Why do you think that 6 sets of tracks END at Homebush? and continue as 4 sets of tracks (5) if you with to include the track linking to the Northern line!

Personally it would have been better if the local lines continued to Granville

6) Well you can forget about that idea! It would be great to have seen Sydenham to be used as a DROP off station only for the XPT/Xplorer services Sydney to Melbourne, Canberra and Griffith vise-versa, it would of allowed passengers to change for a train service to Wolli Creek and to the Airport line which would have cost much cheaper then going into Sydney terminal and change for a train to the Airport line costing each passenger more

I have suggested this to the transport minister once, NEVER got a responce! At that time it was Gladys Berejiklian

7) already been stated.
  awsgc24 Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney

  • Do all stations in suburban Sydney minus the Carlingford Line have Platform Information Displays (PIDs)? I am yet to find a station without them.

    Need to check Asquith, Mt Colah and Mr Ku-ring-gai. (Berowra does has them).
Ethan1395
  ivahri Train Controller

In terms of the Melbourne XPT Sydenham only makes sense as a pick up or set down stop for Bankstown line passengers. For anyone going to stations on the Illawarra or the old East Hills line a set down stop at Revesby would be much more sensible. From Revesby there are non-stop services to Wolli Creek from where every Illawarra line stops. There are 4 stops between Central and Sydenham, count the number from Revesby to Wolli Creek... more passengers would benefit from having Revesby used as an XPT stop.


Richard
  Clyde Goodwin2 Chief Train Controller

In terms of the Melbourne XPT Sydenham only makes sense as a pick up or set down stop for Bankstown line passengers. For anyone going to stations on the Illawarra or the old East Hills line a set down stop at Revesby would be much more sensible. From Revesby there are non-stop services to Wolli Creek from where every Illawarra line stops. There are 4 stops between Central and Sydenham, count the number from Revesby to Wolli Creek... more passengers would benefit from having Revesby used as an XPT stop.


Richard
ivahri
Both ideas for stops are totaly useless as Passengers can easily change trains at Campbelltown and get a onwards service without needing to leave the Platform they arrived on.
  ivahri Train Controller

In terms of the Melbourne XPT Sydenham only makes sense as a pick up or set down stop for Bankstown line passengers. For anyone going to stations on the Illawarra or the old East Hills line a set down stop at Revesby would be much more sensible. From Revesby there are non-stop services to Wolli Creek from where every Illawarra line stops. There are 4 stops between Central and Sydenham, count the number from Revesby to Wolli Creek... more passengers would benefit from having Revesby used as an XPT stop.


Richard
Both ideas for stops are totaly useless as Passengers can easily change trains at Campbelltown and get a onwards service without needing to leave the Platform they arrived on.
Clyde Goodwin2
Precisely the same at Revesby... to think that a short stop would actually be a convenience for passengers! No, that couldn't make sense... Revesby will be the major interchange station under the new timetable- Macarthur services will no longer stop between Wolli/Sydenham & Revesby so why make people with luggage travel to Central or Campbelltown? Nuts...

ps. I also forgot to point out that Revesby is also the point at which the XPT almost always starts to catch the slow Macarthur service in front of it. As a result the extra stop will have no impact on the arrival time in Campbelltown.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

ivahari does have a point except that the XPT doesn't slow at Revesby but at Glenfield. Any trains that would hold the XPT up now get held at revesby to allow the XPT to pass. The southern highlands and Canberra Xplorer services also suffer with slowdown between Glenfield and Campbelltown. 4 tracks is desperately needed between Glenfield and Campbelltown.

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