It's the economy, stupid!

 
  Clyde Goodwin2 Chief Train Controller

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You are still being a Racist.

I have known several Muslims who enjoyed an occasional drink yet still practised their faith,not to mention the hundreds of them who go to Europe to have some fun and relax away from the very strict rules they live by and good on them for doing so.

I have also known many SO CALLED Christians who had no problems with Adultery,Theft ETC yet still went to church and did all of the i am a good Christian BS.

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  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
according to that logic there aren't many 'real' Christians in this world as I believe many thing frowned upon in that book the love that Christians do. e.g. though shall naught commit adultery
Dangersdan707
But most Muslims you meet (yes, I have personally known a few in my time) take that one very, very seriously. Alcohol is a big no-no, they don't like anything that intoxicates. Although it's also true that like Christians you can say a little prayer and ask for forgiveness.

All religions are just silly delusions.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
I have known several Muslims who enjoyed an occasional drink yet still practised their faith,not to mention the hundreds of them who go to Europe to have some fun and relax away from the very strict rules they live by and good on them for doing so.
Clyde Goodwin2
NO! They are not Muslims according the majority - the Koran is quite specific regarding alcohol, you are not able to drink any alcohol if you are an observant Muslim.
You are still being a Racist.
Clyde Goodwin2
Like a lot of people in this country you don't understand what that word means.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Selling of Australian farmland....
I will interject here with the observation that the only reason that farmland is sold to offshore interests is because The. Vendor. Sells. It. To. Them.
DirtyBallast
When Abbott was elected in 2013 I recall watching his victory speech where he said that "Australia is open for business" and one of my old Labor Party stalwart friends commented immediately "He means that everything is up for sale". Bang on. In retrospect, the plan was to keep kicking the can down the road by making large scale foreign purchases of things previously off-limits (S. Kidman, The Port of Darwin - at one stage the entire electricity grid of NSW before an ASIO report put a stop to it) so the we could desperately keep the flow of foreign capital into the country thus averting a currency crash. It's all about maintaining the illusion of prosperity.

Also interesting to note that the NSW Treasury has been collecting data on "foreign or absentee" owners of NSW residential property for a couple of years now but Premier Gladys Berejiklian is refusing to release the data into the public domain. Why? Is she worried that the NSW public would be outraged to learn that foreigners buy up 25% of all new NSW homes and 11% of all established properties (Financial Review 11/10/17). Again, this flow of foreign cash is what's holding up the AU$; without it our dollar would be in the toilet - where it probably belongs.

Kicking the can down the road... but for how much longer?
  fugazi Beginner

When Abbott was elected in 2013 I recall watching his victory speech where he said that "Australia is open for business" and one of my old Labor Party stalwart friends commented immediately "He means that everything is up for sale". Bang on. In retrospect, the plan was to keep kicking the can down the road by making large scale foreign purchases of things previously off-limits (S. Kidman, The Port of Darwin - at one stage the entire electricity grid of NSW before an ASIO report put a stop to it) so the we could desperately keep the flow of foreign capital into the country thus averting a currency crash. It's all about maintaining the illusion of prosperity. Also interesting to note that the NSW Treasury has been collecting data on "foreign or absentee" owners of NSW residential property for a couple of years now but Premier Gladys Berejiklian is refusing to release the data into the public domain. Why? Is she worried that the NSW public would be outraged to learn that foreigners buy up 25% of all new NSW homes and 11% of all established properties (Financial Review 11/10/17). Again, this flow of foreign cash is what's holding up the AU$; without it our dollar would be in the toilet - where it probably belongs. Kicking the can down the road... but for how much longer?
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  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Being wrongfully thrown in jail isn't enough for you?
don_dunstan
 Good God; enough for what? That qualifies her to be a politician? That proves she has guts? That proves nothing except that reasonable doubt was subsequently found. She's the only one who has experienced this in living memory?  Don; you really are besotted with this woman, and unfortunately are blind to the fact that she is pig-ignorant and bigoted.
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

Pauline is a far more polished politician this time around than her previous attempt. Not really a compliment she was utterly atrocious last time.Very Happy
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Pauline is more about pining for an Australia that never really existed, and if it did it was only in certain places.

I think her party is a shambles with no real direction.  Just a bunch of reactionaries...

I do agree we need ways to limit foreign investment so it provides short and long term benefits to Australia though, instead of being a land bank or survivalist cave for the wealthy in other nations.
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: I was here first. You're only visiting.
Selling of Australian farmland....
I will interject here with the observation that the only reason that farmland is sold to offshore interests is because The. Vendor. Sells. It. To. Them.


Is she worried that the NSW public would be outraged to learn that foreigners buy up 25% of all new NSW homes and 11% of all established properties (Financial Review 11/10/17).
don_dunstan
My point was that the focus should be placed on the vendor, not the purchaser. If people are outraged at foreign ownership, they should be outraged instead at the 1 in 4 who sell to them.

Just goes to prove that everyone has their price.
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: I was here first. You're only visiting.
I have known several Muslims who enjoyed an occasional drink yet still practised their faith,not to mention the hundreds of them who go to Europe to have some fun and relax away from the very strict rules they live by and good on them for doing so.
NO! They are not Muslims according the majority - the Koran is quite specific regarding alcohol, you are not able to drink any alcohol if you are an observant Muslim.
don_dunstan
It is well known that Dastyari is a non-practicing Muslim. The vast majority of Christians are non-practicing too; why aren't they being picked on???
  Carnot Minister for Railways

I have known several Muslims who enjoyed an occasional drink yet still practised their faith,not to mention the hundreds of them who go to Europe to have some fun and relax away from the very strict rules they live by and good on them for doing so.
NO! They are not Muslims according the majority - the Koran is quite specific regarding alcohol, you are not able to drink any alcohol if you are an observant Muslim.
It is well known that Dastyari is a non-practicing Muslim. The vast majority of Christians are non-practicing too; why aren't they being picked on???
DirtyBallast
Nominalism is common in both.  It depends on the context - Dastyari would probably cop it from strict Salafist Muslims in downtown Lakemba for his drinking habits.

The wackos that abused him the other day are a fringe bunch of nationalist wingnuts.
  wobert Chief Commissioner

Location: Half way between Propodolla and Kinimakatka
This might make Dons head explode, https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/11/consultants-ride-nsw-privatisation-gravy-train/
  wobert Chief Commissioner

Location: Half way between Propodolla and Kinimakatka
Sorry Don
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
It is well known that Dastyari is a non-practicing Muslim. The vast majority of Christians are non-practicing too; why aren't they being picked on???
DirtyBallast
Actually earlier this year on Q&A he furiously denied Pauline Hanson's suggestions that somehow he wasn't a real Muslim; sometimes he is, sometimes he isn't. Maybe he thinks its the sort of thing he can keep in the wardrobe and wear every now and again but otherwise not bother. It's been fun talking about Pauline, it's also bought people out of the woodwork - but I think I've said enough on this topic and that if you want to know where I'm coming from then listen to what she says herself.

Pauline was asked about the vilification Sam Dastyari got in that pub last week she said that she felt it was nothing at all to do with his race or religion and everything to do with the fact that people know he's crooked and that he takes money from Chinese government agents. She also said that politicians don't automatically get respect from the public and that they have earn respect; again I find myself in agreement with her. Dastyari still doesn't get that he hopelessly compromised himself and his public office by accepting money from a foreign government agent; he should really have been dis-endorsed by his party for his selfish stupid actions.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Sorry Don
wobert
Yes, wobert, you know what pushes my buttons don't you!

What the frig do the taxpayers of NSW do once their government has flogged absolutely everything off in order to pay for recurrent spending and their hideously expensive infrastructure program? As observed in that report, it's all to basically pay for new schools and recurrent spending - Sydney is the number one destination for international migrants and the NSW government can't actually afford to pay for the services and infrastructure to fund it all. What happens when there's literally nothing left to flog, when the residents of NSW can't pay for their expensive privatised services?
  wobert Chief Commissioner

Location: Half way between Propodolla and Kinimakatka
Don't worry Don,your not alone. I was a Barnaby Joyce colour  red by the time I finished reading the article.
  Clarke Hudswell Junior Train Controller
  Carnot Minister for Railways

For those on here who think One Nation is in any way a 'fix' for the current political turmoil: https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/one-nation-down-a-senator-after-fraser-anning-quits-an-hour-after-being-sworn-in/ar-BBESWGz?ocid=spartanntp
Clarke Hudswell
As I said, One Nation are a shambles.  Parliament is a shambles.  Interesting to see that Fraser Anning seems to be siding with Cory B and David L....
  Clarke Hudswell Junior Train Controller

Isn't there one common denominator in the shambles of Australian politics since 2009? Maybe it will revert to normal (just mildly shambolic) once he leaves the political scene? Maybe we are being too negative? We are better off than that country we slavishly follow, we haven't got a ridiculous president.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
For those on here who think One Nation is in any way a 'fix' for the current political turmoil: https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/one-nation-down-a-senator-after-fraser-anning-quits-an-hour-after-being-sworn-in/ar-BBESWGz?ocid=spartanntp
As I said, One Nation are a shambles.  Parliament is a shambles.  Interesting to see that Fraser Anning seems to be siding with Cory B and David L....
Carnot
Got talked into it by one of Malcolm Roberts' staffers according to Pauline - what's the bet he joins Bernardi's party. It's a big gamble though, if there's a double dissolution soon then he will almost certainly not be re-elected.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

For those on here who think One Nation is in any way a 'fix' for the current political turmoil: https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/one-nation-down-a-senator-after-fraser-anning-quits-an-hour-after-being-sworn-in/ar-BBESWGz?ocid=spartanntp
As I said, One Nation are a shambles.  Parliament is a shambles.  Interesting to see that Fraser Anning seems to be siding with Cory B and David L....
Got talked into it by one of Malcolm Roberts' staffers according to Pauline - what's the bet he joins Bernardi's party. It's a big gamble though, if there's a double dissolution soon then he will almost certainly not be re-elected.
don_dunstan
A very good chance he'll join Cory's crowd IMO.

Perhaps in all the chaos we could ask Sir Peter Cosgrove to be our benevolent dictator to straighten things out (I'm not being serious though).
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
A very good chance he'll join Cory's crowd IMO.

Perhaps in all the chaos we could ask Sir Peter Cosgrove to be our benevolent dictator to straighten things out (I'm not being serious though).
Carnot
Cosgrove could ask Truffles if he has the numbers to be able to pass legislation and if not he would advise the Queen to dismiss parliament for a DD. In all seriousness, we don't actually have a government right now - Kerr sacked Whitlam over an obstructed Senate but Truffles has neither house, the situation is far worse.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

A very good chance he'll join Cory's crowd IMO.

Perhaps in all the chaos we could ask Sir Peter Cosgrove to be our benevolent dictator to straighten things out (I'm not being serious though).
Cosgrove could ask Truffles if he has the numbers to be able to pass legislation and if not he would advise the Queen to dismiss parliament for a DD. In all seriousness, we don't actually have a government right now - Kerr sacked Whitlam over an obstructed Senate but Truffles has neither house, the situation is far worse.
don_dunstan
Bill Shorten would probably like a DD right now, going by Newspoll today.  In reality it's Bob Katter who will provide supply or not for Truffles in the Lower House.  He'd probably prefer to maintain his bargaining power than give Bill carte-blanche.  Unless of course Truffles refuses to negotiate at all with Katter (probably on the basis of protecting his banking buddies at all costs).
  Groundrelay Chief Commissioner

Location: Surrounded by Trolls!
...You keep talking about her like she's going to sew yellow stars on the coats of people she doesn't like - it's hysterical and not true. ...
don_dunstan
Don, I detect some reactionary nastiness creeping into your posts in defence of this person.
Personally, I think your wishful thinking is boxing you into a corner.

From my observations, it’s the same woman but a bit more politically savvy - until someone puts her on the spot. Press a button and that ugliness oozes out.

...And again - whose fault it is really that the major parties have a declining primary vote? Is that Pauline's fault or is it the fault of the major parties who don't offer the public something they can vote for? ...
don_dunstan
Sure she’s attracting LNP voting extremists who’d never vote Labor anyway, and sucking Labor votes by playing the battler card whilst Labor is MIA. However One Nation is far from mainstream and doesn’t represent the vast majority of people who vote for someone else.  

Voters are consumers and their choices aren’t always rational. Being disgruntled or emotional is hardly rational thought.

...Her horrible spiteful agenda - like making Exxon Mobil pay tax? Like trying to save what's left of manufacturing? ... We have to do something urgently to stop this madness, this stupid belief in 'trade agreements' and 'free markets' that are really just about more off-shoring, more unemployment and less opportunity for the bottom half...
don_dunstan
At best it's simplistic to think she is going to change those things. She’s extremely conservative and will promptly drop any economic change opposed by those influential people who back that side of politics, such as Gina.
Any doubts, go through her voting record in the senate and what if any concessions/deals the Government provided.
  wobert Chief Commissioner

Location: Half way between Propodolla and Kinimakatka
Don't worry Don,your not alone. I was a Barnaby Joyce colour  red by the time I finished reading the article.
wobert
Righto, which one of you lot disagreed that I was a Barnaby Joyce red colour?
How would ya know?

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