Another huge SSR lash up over Ardglen

 
  Bevan Wall Deputy Commissioner

Today’s huge SSR lash up was brought to you by locomotives 44206, 4904, 48s35, 48s34, 8049, BRM001, C509, 4911 & 4917.
Enjoy,
BW


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhRMgqlMLME

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  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
now thats a big grain train!
  4206 Chief Commissioner

Location: Dorrigo yard
Thank you for sharing

If you don't mind me asking, how many wagons ???
  Bevan Wall Deputy Commissioner

I'm getting lots of questions about the consist of this train. There was a total of 59 wagons weighing in at 4484 tonnes. Total length, including locos, was 1030 metres. It was not an exceptionally long or heavy train. However, the larger, heavier locos can not travel out to Merrywinebone so "little" engines are needed, with the big locos being left at Narrabri. If this train had loaded at one of the mainline silos only four "big" locos would be up front. SSR have a permanent TOC WAIVER permitting more than four locos to be powering on these northwest grain trains.
BW
  SinickleBird Assistant Commissioner

Location: Qantas Club at Mudgee International Airport
Brilliant! The drone scenes are sensational. Thanks for sharing.
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
now thats a big grain train!
Dangersdan707

Agreed!
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

Why doesn't ssr have the small trains run the wagons into Narrabri and then use the big loco's for over the mountain?
  Bevan Wall Deputy Commissioner

Why doesn't ssr have the small trains run the wagons into Narrabri and then use the big loco's for over the mountain?
simstrain
At this stage their loco fleet is not large enough to allow them the luxury of leaving the smaller locos  sitting around out in the boondocks waiting for an occasional run, but what you are suggesting is what would have been done by the NSWGR back in the day. Back then this train would probably have been worked by quad 48s between Merrywinebone and Narrabri or Werris Creek, with triple, or perhaps quad, 81s taking over for the remainder of the trip, and still being banked over Ardglen.
BW
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
Why doesn't ssr have the small trains run the wagons into Narrabri and then use the big loco's for over the mountain?
At this stage their loco fleet is not large enough to allow them the luxury of leaving the smaller locos  sitting around out in the boondocks waiting for an occasional run, but what you are suggesting is what would have been done by the NSWGR back in the day. Back then this train would probably have been worked by quad 48s between Merrywinebone and Narrabri or Werris Creek, with triple, or perhaps quad, 81s taking over for the remainder of the trip, and still being banked over Ardglen.
BW
Bevan Wall
Back in the NSWGR days it would have been little more than half the length of this train Razz

I made two visits to Werris Creek in 1991 and 1993 and back then it was never more than 2 x 81s or 3 x 44s on the front of a grain train.

The loaded train was 4484T.
  Bevan Wall Deputy Commissioner

Why doesn't ssr have the small trains run the wagons into Narrabri and then use the big loco's for over the mountain?
At this stage their loco fleet is not large enough to allow them the luxury of leaving the smaller locos  sitting around out in the boondocks waiting for an occasional run, but what you are suggesting is what would have been done by the NSWGR back in the day. Back then this train would probably have been worked by quad 48s between Merrywinebone and Narrabri or Werris Creek, with triple, or perhaps quad, 81s taking over for the remainder of the trip, and still being banked over Ardglen.
BW
Back in the NSWGR days it would have been little more than half the length of this train Razz

I made two visits to Werris Creek in 1991 and 1993 and back then it was never more than 2 x 81s or 3 x 44s on the front of a grain train.

The loaded train was 4484T.
bingley hall
My mistake with the load. What I originally quoted was the empty weight. That will teach me to read things more carefully.
I probably should have referenced the FreightCorp era instead of going back as far as the days on the NSWGR. I've got quite a bit of footage from the late 1990s of quad 81s on grain trains being banked by triple 442s or 80s over Ardglen.
BW
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
Thats got to be a lot of diesel burning that may not need to burn....
  mikesyd Chief Commissioner

Location: Lurking
Thats got to be a lot of diesel burning that may not need to burn....
james.au
ARTC has looked into the alternatives to allow less fuel to be used around Ardglen, but until the line capacity is reached I doubt things will change.

https://www.artc.com.au/2007/01/18/2007-01-17-152055/

In the meantime, we get treated to daily doses of colourful railway action, some more so than others, and Bevan and other people are good enough to record that and share it with those of us who are unable to view the show with the naked eye. Even if one is not into taking photos, a trip up there to watch the show is well worth the effort.
  Junction box Chief Commissioner

Location: newy
Looks like a practical joke, surely not, seven on the front?
  YM-Mundrabilla The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Thanks, as always, BW.
  Bevan Wall Deputy Commissioner

Looks like a practical joke, surely not, seven on the front?
Junction box
I think this was the second time that rake has run with seven locos up front. Later this week it is loading at Cryon, thus "little" locos are not needed, so at this stage it will have five larger locos up front, but it will still need to be banked over Ardglen by the two 48s.
BW
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

Thats got to be a lot of diesel burning that may not need to burn....
james.au
The 3 x branch liners only equate to a 3000 hp mainliner so its 5 mainliners, even less considering 2 of the mainliners are only 1800 hp each. No big deal.
  M636C Minister for Railways

The standard load for a PN grain train on the Main South, where the ruling grade is 1 in 66 is 40 NGPF or NGKF. These wagons have maximum load of 84 tonnes, so the gross trailing load is 3360 tonnes, just less than three quarters of the SSR load.

With the easier grades, these trains are hauled by two 81 class. These trains are clearly the maximum load for two 81 class as can be seen at the top bridge on Cullerin bank.

Last Saturday's 3930 had triple 81 class for 40 NGPF/NGKF, and its speed upgrade was noticeably faster. The grain trains have to be managed to keep them from delaying faster trains (which are pretty much everything else).

The proportion of load to gross would be better for the PN train since the NGKF is a aluminium wagon, while the SSR wagons are steel former coal wagons designed for a heavier load of coal.

But the two 81s and 40 NGPF/NGKF have been the standard grain train on the south for the last thirty years. The extra load on the SSR train shows how efficient the standard PN train has been.

Peter
  M636C Minister for Railways

Thats got to be a lot of diesel burning that may not need to burn....
The 3 x branch liners only equate to a 3000 hp mainliner so its 5 mainliners, even less considering 2 of the mainliners are only 1800 hp each. No big deal.
nswtrains
It was interesting that the two 48 class were taken off the front and put on the back...

Presumably they stayed on the north side of Ardglen.

The 49 class must be regarded as more suitable for the longer run to Carrington. In theory they use more fuel than the 48 class.

Peter
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
Thats got to be a lot of diesel burning that may not need to burn....
The 3 x branch liners only equate to a 3000 hp mainliner so its 5 mainliners, even less considering 2 of the mainliners are only 1800 hp each. No big deal.
It was interesting that the two 48 class were taken off the front and put on the back...

Presumably they stayed on the north side of Ardglen.

The 49 class must be regarded as more suitable for the longer run to Carrington. In theory they use more fuel than the 48 class.

Peter
M636C

The 49s have been at Werris Creek for a week or two. They were required back in Newcastle for servicing.

Simples!
  2LaGrange Chief Train Controller

Fuel consumption of a 48 compared to a 49 is very similar. Mk1 48s however have a much smaller fuel tank compared to 49 so that’s the main reason they do longer trips.
Also as a fuel saving measure crews generally shut down middle small engines or at least take them off line once the Liverpool range has been climbed as they are not required for any more of the grades encountered further south.
  Junction box Chief Commissioner

Location: newy
Where are their G and C class?
Flogging 49 would nearly be pointless.
  M636C Minister for Railways

Fuel consumption of a 48 compared to a 49 is very similar. Mk1 48s however have a much smaller fuel tank compared to 49 so that’s the main reason they do longer trips.
Also as a fuel saving measure crews generally shut down middle small engines or at least take them off line once the Liverpool range has been climbed as they are not required for any more of the grades encountered further south.
2LaGrange
I think the two units on the train were actually 830s numbered in the Silverton 48s series, and would have had the small fuel tank.

Peter
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
Where are their G and C class?
Flogging 49 would nearly be pointless.
Junction box

As would flogging a dead horse.

When SSR advertise for a loco roster clerk I can see they are going to be overwhelmed with applications straight from people's armchairs Razz
  firefox Station Master

Fuel consumption of a 48 compared to a 49 is very similar. Mk1 48s however have a much smaller fuel tank compared to 49 so that’s the main reason they do longer trips.
Also as a fuel saving measure crews generally shut down middle small engines or at least take them off line once the Liverpool range has been climbed as they are not required for any more of the grades encountered further south.
I think the two units on the train were actually 830s numbered in the Silverton 48s series, and would have had the small fuel tank.

Peter
M636C

48s34 is ex 4815

48s35 is ex 4843
  a6et Minister for Railways

Why doesn't ssr have the small trains run the wagons into Narrabri and then use the big loco's for over the mountain?
At this stage their loco fleet is not large enough to allow them the luxury of leaving the smaller locos  sitting around out in the boondocks waiting for an occasional run, but what you are suggesting is what would have been done by the NSWGR back in the day. Back then this train would probably have been worked by quad 48s between Merrywinebone and Narrabri or Werris Creek, with triple, or perhaps quad, 81s taking over for the remainder of the trip, and still being banked over Ardglen.
BW
Bevan Wall
With the mix of loco's on that train its quite an archaic roster in many respects, and certainly flies in the face of old rules and said capacity of old Generation diesels where the maximum number of engines coupled and worked through the jumpers were 4 engines, was said the electrical aspect was below what could be worked.

Quad 48's on the branch and to WCK were restricted to 3260 tonnes with 39 WTY wagons.  I did the test loads for that load behind 2x81's with two over the range, the next upgrade to loading before I finished end of 88 was 4200 tonnes of coal with 2x81's through to BMD from GDH assisted from Willow Tree by two more.

Considering the individual loads allowed per loco over the range was 48/49 400T each, 442 615T, 80 700T, no idea about a Cclass though.

Allowing a diesel to sit at any of the out depots, generally meant a saving in fuel, and the engine spare could have been used on other trains.  As time went on at Moree and NBRI West Vandalism increased in the open access locations and staff reductions.

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