Three Hi-Rail vehicles spotted parked on former Webb Dock rail line

 
  RailroadRider Beginner

I was riding through the area yesterday and I noticed an array of trucks parked on the long abandoned track, me being me, I pulled over and took some photos. What do you all think is happening on that line? There's been talk of light or even freight rail there for years but nothing has been done. Now *someone* has brought in a contractor to actually do something about it. Seems preliminary at best, nothing has been done to the track, but this could be the start of something big. Wikipedia page for the line for those who haven't heard of it.

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  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Probably removal of the remaining sections of track ?

The former line has been cut In so many places.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
hmm...
  RailroadRider Beginner

@Nightfire, I don't thing they'd need hi-rail trucks and cherry pickers to remove the in situ rail, that could be accomplished with a standard set of construction equiptment. This more gives me the impression of a survey team than anything meant to make immediate changes to the railway.
  RustyRick Chief Commissioner

Location: South West Vic
Interesting.... The orange tank and hoses are probably a vacuum system for cleaning drainage pits.

Edit: Light rail is a possibility to the new university .

Rick
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
It's all incorrect I think.
A track maintenance company lives there in Lorimer Street opposite and just parks their vehicles on the old line.
This has been the case for most of 2017 to the best of my knowledge.
  Clyde Goodwin2 Chief Train Controller

It's all incorrect I think.
A track maintenance company lives there in Lorimer Street opposite and just parks their vehicles on the old line.
This has been the case for most of 2017 to the best of my knowledge.
YM-Mundrabilla
YM
Nicely said and good information.

Beats the OP,s normal being all foamer i saw something so i will jump to a conclusion thats for certain.
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
I can confirm what YM has said, they have been parked there all year (2017).
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
I can confirm what YM has said, they have been parked there all year (2017).
Gman_86
Hi
Clarification please.

Parking there all year, ie coming and going, or PARKED up all year and not moving.

If the former I was going to say, does the street have limited or paid parking?
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
I can confirm what YM has said, they have been parked there all year (2017).
Hi
Clarification please.

Parking there all year, ie coming and going, or PARKED up all year and not moving.

If the former I was going to say, does the street have limited or paid parking?
RTT_Rules
I only see them at weekends so they may well come and go during the week.

Lorimer Street is a divided road with two running lanes each way plus theoretical on street parking. It is used by many heavy vehicles carting containers to/from Webb Dock.

In my view it makes absolute good sense (uncommon in Victoria these days) to stow these road-rail type vehicles on the old BG Webb Dock line where they are totally out of the way and not a nuisance or obstruction to anyone. For good measure they are parked under trees which makes them less visually intrusive.

In fact, the arrangement is so sensible that I am amazed that some petty bureaucrat has not invoked some stupid/obscure law to force them to obstruct the road. Rolling Eyes

Common sense and win, win situations are not encouraged in Victoria.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Couldn't open picture from OP at work but just noticed in pics that the vehicles are parked on ROW nOT the rails as in driving on rails.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Question on the Web Dock Railway.

For a line built in 1986 and pretty much abandoned and closed within a decade, why was it a failure?
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Question on the Web Dock Railway.

For a line built in 1986 and pretty much abandoned and closed within a decade, why was it a failure?
RTT_Rules
Probably had more to do with the line's operator, that they didn't want to use It !

The Kennett Government were pushing a heavy road freight agenda back when they came to office back In 1992.

The dock line was built with provision for dual gauge at most of the paved area's It crossed (Including the whole wharf area)

So had SG been connected to the line (along with dual gauging) the line just might of survived with the opening of the SG route to Western Victoria and beyond In 1995 ?

By saying that, It took until the year 2000 to get any SG to the Melbourne docks (with the opening of dual gauge to Appleton Dock)

The property developers obviously did't like the Idea of a freight line passing past Victoria Harbour, but you probably could of made It work with clever design work.
  billjohnston Station Master

My recollection was the trucking companies were price gouging the terminal at Webb dock so the dock persuaded the Government to spend tax dollars building a railway line. The dock negotiated a reduced rate with the railways for hauling containers, but once that contract ran out the truckers offered a matching rate and the railway ceased running. I think it had ceased being used very much when the development at Victoria harbour started. I suppose it was difficult to spend money replacing it when it was so little used. Surely the development of Webb dock in the future will require a railway and a connection to Appleton dock is the logical connection.
Bill Johnston
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Money. Everything in Victoria is money.
The line originated in the Canal/Cowper Street area of the Melbourne Yard and the government, the AFL and developers etc saw big $$$s in selling the area. They got their way with Docklands/Etihad Stadium (whatever it is called today) and the other multitude of developments in the old Victoria Dock area being the result.
  ElliotProvis Junior Train Controller

Location: Melbourne, Victoria
And what a great success D*cklands has been. Not really a criticism of any g'b'rment either, just a reflection on how dodgy both flavours of politics have been for the past 40 or so years (if not longer!).
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Ok thanks for those comments.

I didn't know where the Wed  Dock line was until this post and did some googling and then Street View. I remember a few times in early to late 90's driving over the Gatetway looking at the line and it was unused if I recall or looked similar.

Now today if you look at the former corridor through the city and Docklands, you sort of open your eyes a bit and think they built a freight railway here, in the mid 1980's, basically prime river front land when similar lines elsewhere were being removed, Seriously!!!! The fact it had very tight curves again built in the 80's is another eye opener.

I suppose back then  where was Webdock's customer base? was it all Melbourne Surburban?

i suppose my point is I can sort of see why the unloved line was closed and removed on the sections it was and I think it would have been messy to keep it, but yes it could have been done. But obviously today times have changed and it needs to be returned but obviously this is more complex than probably the original line.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
But obviously today times have changed and it needs to be returned but obviously this is more complex than probably the original line.
RTT_Rules
The Government just has to stand up tall and tell the local boaters that their putting In a stylish bascule bridge over the Yarra River parallel with the Boltie Bridge.

A tram bascule bridge Is planed a little bit upstream too.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
IIRC there were plans a few years back to reopen the web dock line via old and new alignment with a bridge roughly parallel to the bolte bridge. The figure was around 1 billion in 2012 iirc
  mikesyd Chief Commissioner

Location: Lurking
Is the pedestrian bridge on the downstream side of the Charles Grimes Bridge the former railway bridge (though chopped off on the southern end)?
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Is the pedestrian bridge on the downstream side of the Charles Grimes Bridge the former railway bridge (though chopped off on the southern end)?
mikesyd
Yes

That's why It's called "Webb Bridge" and they designed It to have a spider webb like canopy over the top.

I remember seeing this bridge back In 2000 when the Southern section had just been hacked off and the piles In the river still remained.

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