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      Ardglen Junior Train Controller

    Hi all,

    I have just finished watching "The Ghan" on SBS. I thoroughly enjoyed the program and have a newfound respect for the NR class. I was hoping someone could outline the controls of the NR class to me, in particular the 2 handles on the left of the drivers position. In all the cab shots neither of these appear to be used by the driver (except as an arm rest).

    I suppose it is a sign of the time that we live in, I am asking this out of genuine curiosity and nothing more sinister Sad.

    Thanks in advance.

    Regards

    Andrew
    Posted: 14 Jan 2018 20:47

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      ozibob Assistant Commissioner

    Location: Parkes Australia
    Train Brake Handle (Top) and locomotive brake handle (Bottom)
    Posted: 14 Jan 2018 21:38
      Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

    Location: On a Thing with Internet
    TBH my inner gunzel would rather they still use GM and CL locos, now that is unlikely
    Posted: 15 Jan 2018 13:31
      YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

    Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
    TBH my inner gunzel would rather they still use GM and CL locos, now that is unlikely
    Dangersdan707
    EMD of any sort at least. Smile
    Posted: 15 Jan 2018 15:45
      Junction box Chief Commissioner

    Location: newy
    Train Brake Handle (Top) and locomotive brake handle (Bottom)
    ozibob
    Isn't the red handle the engine brake?
    Watched a fair bit of it too, needed more commentry
    Posted: 16 Jan 2018 09:04
      griz Station Master

    Train Brake Handle (Top) and locomotive brake handle (Bottom)
    Isn't the red handle the engine brake?
    Watched a fair bit of it too, needed more commentry
    Junction box
    No..
    Posted: 22 Jan 2018 22:29
      ANR Junior Train Controller

    I would rather see EL or AN class personally ... in AN livery. The doco was compulsory viewing though. A great idea.
    Posted: 08 May 2018 14:22

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      Typhon Assistant Commissioner

    Location: I'm that freight train tearing through the sky in the clouds.
    In all the cab shots neither of these appear to be used by the driver (except as an arm rest).
    You can get away with using these handles quite frequently on the passenger trains, much more so than on a regular freight. In fact doing so is encouraged to keep the train stretched and ensure a smoother ride for the passengers.
    Posted: 10 May 2018 09:14
      greasyrhys Chief Commissioner

    Location: MacDonald Park, SA
    I hear nr’s 18, 84 & 85 are set to be repainted into PN stars. So far 25, 26, 27, 28, 29 & 86 have IP logos
    Posted: 17 May 2018 10:09
      meh Chief Commissioner

    Location: Sydney
    I hear nr’s 18, 84 & 85 are set to be repainted into PN stars. So far 25, 26, 27, 28, 29 & 86 have IP logos
    greasyrhys
    That rumour has been floating around for over a month now (even longer for 84 and 85); when it first appeared on one of the Facebook groups the foamers were saying things like 'i heard they are on their way to Melbourne for repainting!!!!' Still hasn't happened.

    My issue with this is there is never any verification; and when asked the source it is always along the lines of 'my friend knows somebody who works at PN and they told them!!'

    So methinks it's foamer excitement; will believe it when I see it.
    Posted: 17 May 2018 11:45
      GS4 Junior Train Controller

    So thats 6 in Indian Pacific colours.  I'm surprised they have not added any to the Ghan colours, and no, I have not heard any rumours.

    As far as foamers and rumours go I have known at least 2 QR employees that have openly said they like starting rumours just to see how far they will go. Some of those foamers have probably repeated in good faith what they were told without exaggeration.

    Its best to just wait and see ......
    Posted: 18 May 2018 10:02
      justapassenger Chief Commissioner

    So thats 6 in Indian Pacific colours.  I'm surprised they have not added any to the Ghan colours, and no, I have not heard any rumours.
    GS4
    Reduced advertising potential for GSR (Ghan doesn't travel through any city larger than Adelaide) means it won't be worth them paying to have as many in those colours.

    As far as foamers and rumours go I have known at least 2 QR employees that have openly said they like starting rumours just to see how far they will go. Some of those foamers have probably repeated in good faith what they were told without exaggeration.

    Its best to just wait and see ......
    GS4
    I heard from a PN manager a few years back that they told a couple of staff different versions of a rumour to flush out who had been breaching the company social media policy.

    One of them did put it out there, and was fired as he had been warned a number of times previously.
    Posted: 22 May 2018 14:30

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      M636C Minister for Railways

    On Saturday, NR 70 was in Goulburn yard near the station with the centre axle on the lead bogie on a carrying trolley.

    I'd assume a traction motor failure as the most likely cause.

    They've changed bogies there before...

    Peter
    Posted: 22 May 2018 14:37
      ANR Junior Train Controller

    What is the top speed of NR v 93 class locos. Weren't the latter built to run at higher speeds? Wiki has them both at 115k/h.
    Posted: 21 Oct 2018 19:09
      M636C Minister for Railways

    What is the top speed of NR v 93 class locos. Weren't the latter built to run at higher speeds? Wiki has them both at 115k/h.
    ANR
    115 km/h is the maximum permitted speed for locomotives.
    93 class have to have 7400l or less fuel to be allowed to 115km/h to keep the mass down to 134t.

    The AC motors of a 93 may be able to run faster than at 115km/h.
    But AC motors turn at a speed governed by the frequency of the current fed to them.
    The inverters would have to be set to give such a frequency to allow speeds above 115km/h


    The DC motors of an NR might have problems above 115km/h given the more complex structure of the armature.
    Series wound DC motors have their speed controlled by the voltage applied to them.
    An NR would have to supply a higher voltage to the motors to exceed 115km/h.
    This might involve running the diesel engine faster.

    Locomotives don't go faster by trying to push the controller beyond Notch 8

    Peter
    Posted: 22 Oct 2018 09:43

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      YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

    Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
    The early GMs were publicised when they were new as being capable of 90 mph (~ 145 km/h).
    The ELs were supposedly good for 140 km/h (?).

    Is this solely to do with the gear ratios? I know that the ELs were re-geared but don't know about the GMs (early or late).
    Posted: 22 Oct 2018 10:06

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