SA Election 2018 transport promises -

 
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Because of the limited number of Railpagers this affects I thought a short thread about the SA election under "South Australia" would be a good idea. March 17 is our state election (in case you didn't already know) and the transport promises for SA have been rolled out: Premier Jay launched his re-election platform today (ABC) which included the following level crossings to be removed in the Adelaide metro area:

Marion and Cross roads, Plympton Park
Goodwood Road, Goodwood
Cross Road, Westbourne Park
Brighton Road, Hove
Trimmer Parade/Tapleys Hill Road, Seaton
Park Terrace, Salisbury
Torrens Road, Ovingham

There were also promises to extend the tram network but the article didn't specify where - apparently it was on Channel 9 tonight but I missed it and I can't be bothered wading through the ads to find out! Jay also wants a new deep water port.

I don't think there's any news from either NXT or the Liberals about specific transport promises - apart from a new carpark at Paradise Interchange which is bipartisan policy now (apparently). The Liberal Party has a "first 100 days" manifesto but as in 2014 there's not much specifically on rail or transport there. I'm aware of that policy to divert the railway line north and a new freight airport at Murray Bridge - does anyone know if that is official Liberal policy or just an un-costed pipe dream?

If anyone has any other specific transport promises from any side I'd be interested to know -

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  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
divert the railway line north
Don_dunstan
to where may I ask or was it unspecified by the media. I presume you mean the western standard gauge to Melbourne.
  allan Chief Commissioner

We all know the worth of election promises. Just let me know when the work has started, and then when it's finished...
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
divert the railway line north
to where may I ask or was it unspecified by the media. I presume you mean the western standard gauge to Melbourne.
Dangersdan707
Commonly know as the Adelaide Hill Bypass, the idea has been around for many years.
(Was touted by a couple of suburban councils (who didn't want to pay for it), but studies showed it wasn't worth the cost at present) (ARTC Not interested in it)


Also Melbourne is South EAST of Adelaide! You'll get rather wet if you go more than a few kilometres to the west of the city
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

Looks like we finally know why nothing was announced about the future of the present Warradale station when the Oaklands grade separation was announced, the government knew they'd be announcing a policy necessitating a new Warrahove/Hovadale station.


I've done the number on the electoral districts which get level crossing removals, with reference to the sitting MP and the notional 2PP after the redistribution which takes effect at this election:

Marion/Cross Roads: situated on the boundary of Badcoe (replaces the electoral district of Ashford, ALP sitting MP, ALP 4.2% notional 2PP) and Morphett (ex-LIB independent MP Duncan McFetridge, LIB 7.7% 2PP)

Goodwood Road: situated in Unley (LIB MP, LIB 7.7% 2PP), close to the boundaries of Badcoe (ALP MP, ALP 4.2% 2PP) and Adelaide (LIB MP, LIB 2.0% 2PP)

Cross Road: on the boundary of Unley (sitting LIB MP is Opposition transport spokesman David Pisoni, LIB 9.2% 2PP) and Elder (ALP MP, LIB 4.3% 2PP), close to Badcoe (ALP MP, ALP 4.2% 2PP). Elder has had major changes to its boundaries in the redistribution, the Cross Road LX is in the Liberal part of the seat which was previously in Waite (ex-LIB independent MP Martin Hamilton-Smith, LIB 22.8% 2PP at 2014 election)

Brighton Road: situated in Gibson (replaces Bright, LIB MP, LIB 3.2% 2PP) and of major interest to commuters from Black (replaces Mitchell, LIB MP, LIB 2.6% 2PP) - Gibson/Black basically carve up the same area which was Bright and Mitchell but with a north/south division rather than east/west.

Trimmer/Tapleys: situated in Lee (sitting ALP MP is Minister for Transport and Infrastructure Stephen Mullighan, ALP 2.6% 2PP) and close to the boundary of Cheltenham (sitting ALP MP is Premier Jay Weatherill, ALP 14.4% 2PP)

Park Terrace: situated in Ramsay (ALP MP, ALP 17.4% 2PP)

Torrens Road: on the boundary of Adelaide (LIB MP, LIB 2.0% 2PP) and Croydon (ALP MP, ALP 19.6% 2PP)

So it looks like a mixed bag - some of interest to marginal seats the government will be trying to defend, some of interest to marginal LIB seats they'll be trying to take, a couple in safe territory both ways.

There were also promises to extend the tram network but the article didn't specify where -
don_dunstan
According to the ABC website story, this will be announced at a later date. I guess it will be EastLink or ProspectLink.

EastLink could be a good one to hold back until later in the campaign, it would specifically target the seats of Dunstan (currently held by Liberal leader Steven Marshall on a 3.9% 2PP) and Hartley (held by ALP, being targeted by SA Best leader Nick Xenophon).

ProspectLink could be a good one to go for in the battle for Adelaide (LIB MP, LIB 2.0% 2PP) and as a general vote winner for the wider metro area, but has the disadvantage of being a much bigger project since the Victoria Bridge is currently in a condition that it will need remedial work before a tram line can be constructed over it.

I don't think there's any news from either NXT or the Liberals about specific transport promises - apart from a new carpark at Paradise Interchange which is bipartisan policy now (apparently).
don_dunstan
Paradise Interchange is located in the seat of Hartley, which Labor will be trying to defend against a very strong challenge from SA Best leader Nick Xenophon.

The Liberal campaign in that seat will probably be the state's most interesting local campaign to watch. Will they run dead to help Xenophon knock off a Labor seat, or will they try and make it a traditional two party campaign to keep him out?

I'm aware of that policy to divert the railway line north and a new freight airport at Murray Bridge - does anyone know if that is official Liberal policy or just an un-costed pipe dream?
don_dunstan
The policy document explicitly states that work on preparing a master plan will start after they take office, so there's nothing which can be costed yet.

The laughter from the industry and their mates in Canberra and the industry was probably not the response they were looking for.

A big component of the SA GlobeLink website is data mining - they ask for your feedback but what they really want is your data. The same goes for the Great Southern Bike Trail tourism policy they launched last week, a rough idea only and a request for your feedback.

If anyone has any other specific transport promises from any side I'd be interested to know -
don_dunstan
We're on day three of the election, I'm sure there will be more to come!
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Nothing about the re-introduction of passenger rail services to Port Augusta.

Nothing about regauging the Mount Gambier line for freight.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
It will also include building a $700 million multi-user, deep sea port in Spencer Gulf to benefit both the mining and agriculture sectors which is expected to create an extra 400 jobs during the construction phase and 100 ongoing positions.
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Any idea where this is going to be and has rail access been included in the build?
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

The topic of the day for the Premier is the level crossing removals, the plan is for the project office to get the same fancy title that the Vic one has.

It will also include building a $700 million multi-user, deep sea port in Spencer Gulf to benefit both the mining and agriculture sectors which is expected to create an extra 400 jobs during the construction phase and 100 ongoing positions.

Any idea where this is going to be and has rail access been included in the build?
bevans
No details have been confirmed yet, this is probably coming when the ALP campaign takes a trip to Eyre Peninsula.

My guess is that it will be located alongside the Iron Road Limited port at Cape Hardy (on Eyre Peninsula, between Port Neill and Tumby Bay) as this was one of the potential benefits that Iron Road was spruiking when they were trying to get the project approved by the government.

Iron Road plan to build a 148km standard gauge railway from the mine to the port, which would be for their use only. It will have a grade-separated crossing of the Cummins-Buckleboo narrow gauge line, so theoretically if a multi-use port were to be located near the Iron Road port then a ~40km narrow gauge line could be built alongside the Iron Road line to connect to the existing narrow gauge lines.

Of course, the chance of anything being built would depend on there being some demand or capability which the current ports cannot meet or cannot meet efficiently. I don't know enough about the freight situation on either side of Spencer Gulf to know if that is the case.

Long shot - could it be a port on the eastern side of Spencer Gulf as a deepwater replacement for Port Pirie?
  DJPeters Assistant Commissioner

Nothing about the re-introduction of passenger rail services to Port Augusta.

Nothing about regauging the Mount Gambier line for freight.
bevans
Bevans the SA govt does  not have any involvement with either of them as back in the real Don Dunstan's day all the country services freight or passenger and railway lines were sold to the Federal Govt and ANR/AN was thus created. So I doubt whether any state pollie of any group would really want to take that back on, passenger services to Port Augusta would not pay for the service to run and anyway both the IP and the Ghan services it I think, even if the paying passenger has to buy a ticket to the nearest station that is used to calculate fares from.

All the SA govt own in the way of passenger train movements is what is run around the metro area the rest though is not their problem. It was sold off because it made a loss and was costly to maintain as well. Of course the state Government own the land below the railway lines here but only if the line is officially closed and everything removed from above the ground, which could be why G&W for instance have not removed redundant rail lines. They are supposed to be able to run a train with two weeks notice on the company but I doubt you could run a ganger's quad along most of them now let alone a train. Nature in most place s has taken the lines back as have local landholders who have leased sections of lines and fenced them off at level crossings to use for grazing of sheep and cattle. Also local councils have removed entirely level crossing and in some cases simply just bitumen-ed over the existing track.

The Mount Gambier line is dead I would say permanently now more so with the local council in Mt Gambier saying they do not want the trains in the town and also building at huge cost a park on what was formerly the Mt Gambier railway station yard. A easement is supposed to have been left through this development but I doubt it would ever get used though.
  DJPeters Assistant Commissioner

I have to say this though with all these works and they have had 16 years to do it all , they leave it till the last moment before an election to do or announce these plans. Most of it should have been done ages ago to tell the truth. But they like to have these projects fresh in the mind of the gullible that will then vote for them hopefully. I just hope though that SA voters are not that stupid.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Haven't been able to find the link but did anyone see that Nick Xenophon has mumbled something about a high-speed rail line between Adelaide CBD and Mt Barker... Getting the Gawler line fully electrified would be a start before we set off on such grand schemes. Anyway, isn't the long term plan supposed to be to keep development out of the water catchments?
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
Haven't been able to find the link but did anyone see that Nick Xenophon has mumbled something about a high-speed rail line between Adelaide CBD and Mt Barker... Getting the Gawler line fully electrified would be a start before we set off on such grand schemes. Anyway, isn't the long term plan supposed to be to keep development out of the water catchments?
don_dunstan
Not sure exactly when I heard it (on radio) but there was a snippet about someone wanting the Mount Barker area to be a major new housing area. The figure mentioned was a 300% increase in the current population. The current freeway wouldn't be able to handle that kind of increase.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
I've had a barrage of stuff from the ALP in my letterbox and last night a 15 second visit from my local (Labor) member telling me that public transport fares would be slashed if Labor is returned. I have a glossy souvenir of that visit that promises an average 20% or so slashing of fares - reminds me of when I was living in Victoria and Labor slashed V/line fares by an across-the-board 20%.

It's not going to change my vote incidentally.
  DJPeters Assistant Commissioner

They will promise you anything before an election to vote for them whoever they are but after being elected they all seem to suffer from mass amnesia and they cannot remember election promises made before getting elected. They are all the same unfortunately!
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
'One thing I was hoping to see was consideration of funding for the standardisation of Pinnaroo to Murrayville.  Removing that ~20km of BG would remove 2 breaks of gauge and give a potential new traffic route for the NW of Victoria and Pinnaroo regions.  This would also help port competition....'

Probably why it remains.

SG was opposed for many years in Victoria as it could lead to legitimate competition.
  dthead Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Thread open,  pleas e note a fair chink on the MtGambier Line and the Freight trains through the Hill has been split into it's own thread :

https://www.railpage.com.au/f-p2094042.htm#2094042
  kipioneer Chief Commissioner

Location: Aberfoyle Park
The ALP is promising grade separation at a number of level crossings including the 2 tram crossings at Plympton, Marion Road and Cross Road, and Torrens Road at Ovingham.

I seem to recall that Cross Road Unley Park was included too.

Grade separating the latter two, if it happens, will be the longest between a proposal and its execution in a long while for this was proposed back in the 1970s and land was acquired along Torrens Road for the Ovingham overpass.

About the only thing I can think of that took longer to achieve was the Alice Springs to Darwin railway which took over 70 years.
  DJPeters Assistant Commissioner

Yes all that those vacant land blocks at Ovingham are still waiting for the bridge over the railway line to be built, it almost got done until some fool wanted a bridge to their nice new land development on Hindmarsh Island at Goolwa and so the govt built the Bridge to no where as it is called  at Goolwa and the bridge at Ovingham then got deferred due to lack of funds, the empty land has been sitting around the proposed bridge area  at Ovingham for a long time now though and we are still waiting for it to be built, but any sensible person would not hold their breath over it!
  allan Chief Commissioner

It's quite the opposite problem at Cross Rd at Hawthorn/ Unley Park. The railway is already on a pretty steep upgrade, so the road will have to move - either over or under the railway, and with a busy intersection just a couple of hundred metres East. Not a lot of room to move...
  kipioneer Chief Commissioner

Location: Aberfoyle Park
It's quite the opposite problem at Cross Rd at Hawthorn/ Unley Park. The railway is already on a pretty steep upgrade, so the road will have to move - either over or under the railway, and with a busy intersection just a couple of hundred metres East. Not a lot of room to move...
allan
Agreed.

The Goodwood Junction upgrade has made a big difference to the time a freight train takes to cross Cross Road, but up trains stopping at Unley Park station can hold traffic up for quite a while.

Cross Road is very busy through most of the daylight hours and the juxtaposition of the Victoria Avenue/Hilda Terrace intersection and the railway crossing can and does complicate the flow of traffic particularly if the Victoria Ave queue tails back beyond the railway crossing, which is signaled to stop traffic entering that section of road if the queue is too long.

The cost of land resumptions in that area doesn't bear thinking about Smile
  allan Chief Commissioner

So, are you suggesting that moving the up platform to the other side of Cross Rd might settle most of the problems at somewhat less cost?
  kipioneer Chief Commissioner

Location: Aberfoyle Park
So, are you suggesting that moving the up platform to the other side of Cross Rd might settle most of the problems at somewhat less cost?
allan
There is only one platform used by both up and down trains.

Adjusting the signalling so that the train driver would need to activate the crossing before moving would help.   It might add 15 or 20 seconds, the time it takes for the arms to come down, to an up train's time.

Emerson and Clarence Park are another couple of stations near a crossing.   Trains leaving those stations toward the road travel dead slow until they reach the crossing anyway.
  allan Chief Commissioner

"There is only one platform used by both up and down trains." Of course! I'm living in the past... and having a platform each side of the road would just confuse the punters. Better to spend countless millions, and save the confusion.
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

It's quite the opposite problem at Cross Rd at Hawthorn/ Unley Park. The railway is already on a pretty steep upgrade, so the road will have to move - either over or under the railway, and with a busy intersection just a couple of hundred metres East. Not a lot of room to move...
allan
It's 1 in 85 at Cross Road.

When you consider that the Hilda Tce level crossing is on quite a high hump, it should be possible to do rail under Cross Road (possibly with a modest hump on the road) and a grade of about 1 in 60 or so from there to Hilda Tce (rebuild the crossing on the flat or even in a small dip) and a slight easing of the grade from there to rejoin the current profile just before Angas Road.

This is 2018, not 1918. Modern traction will easily charge through that arrangement, especially non-stop freight which would be able to gain a bit of additional momentum between Millswood and the underpass (this part would be flattened) which would be handy for getting up the short section of steep ramp after the underpass.

However, I think there's a real possibility that Cross Road is in the pledge as a 'freebie' which can be quietly dropped when it's found to be too hard. There are other more deserving level crossings around the place, mostly in safe seats though.

Adjusting the signalling so that the train driver would need to activate the crossing before moving would help.   It might add 15 or 20 seconds, the time it takes for the arms to come down, to an up train's time.
kipioneer
It just needs the level crossing sequence to be retimed so the lights first come on as the train arrives in the platform, not the addition of a beg button.

Retiming would have the risk of maybe adding time to the road closure time in the event of the train having a longer than usual dwell time in the platform, but road users having their run to the next red light delayed by a few seconds (which might only happen a couple of times per day) is better than delaying every train by 20 seconds.

Emerson and Clarence Park are another couple of stations near a crossing.   Trains leaving those stations toward the road travel dead slow until they reach the crossing anyway.
kipioneer
This is due to corners being cut on the ETCS infrastructure component.

Until the train crosses the next Eurobalise just before the signal, the ETCS onboard component restricts the speed according to the last movement authority it had received. If infill loops were added, the updated movement authority would be received by the stationary train as soon as the signal clears and the crawl to the next balise eliminated.

This sort of improvement to rail signalling would assist both rail users and road users, what's not to love? Oh, we're in the election thread so I guess we need to consider the rather low sexiness of the ribbon cutting ceremony.
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
One thing I was hoping to see was consideration of funding for the standardisation of Pinnaroo to Murrayville.  Removing that ~20km of BG would remove 2 breaks of gauge and give a potential new traffic route for the NW of Victoria and Pinnaroo regions.  This would also help port competition....


Just dropping this back into this thread as it doesnt belong with the split one.  YM has already commented

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