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      james.au Minister for Railways

    Location: Sydney, NSW
    https://www.smh.com.au/national/duped-at-the-dump-recycling-rort-as-the-truth-is-buried-20180219-p4z0v7.html

    Thousands of tonnes of New South Wales waste sent each week to south-east Queensland to be recycled is trucked straight to landfill without any processing, a Fairfax Media investigation has found.
    In what industry insiders admit is a “rort” that has been going on for at least three years, waste companies are using Queensland recycling facilities to obtain paperwork exempting them from NSW rules limiting the transport of metropolitan waste by road more than 150 kilometres from its source.


    Continuing on from the Victorian Rubbish Crisis thread.  Posted here to give more detail on the issue and note the daily volumes heading north.  30 B doubles and a stack of containers by rail.....
    Posted: 27 Feb 2018 10:35

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      bevans Site Admin

    Location: Melbourne, Australia
    Good pickup James.
    Posted: 27 Feb 2018 10:44
      michaelgm Chief Commissioner

    QLD, should just apply the going rate or NSW equivalent for waste disposal.
    Problem solved by the stroke of a pen.
    Posted: 27 Feb 2018 11:25
      freightgate Minister for Railways

    Location: Albury, New South Wales
    Are these daily volumes ?
    Posted: 27 Feb 2018 13:26
      fzr560 Chief Train Controller

    QLD, should just apply the going rate or NSW equivalent for waste disposal.
    Problem solved by the stroke of a pen.
    michaelgm
    What problem? Is this not a market economy doing it's thing? Economic activity is drawn to low tax environments.
    Posted: 27 Feb 2018 13:50
      simstrain Chief Commissioner

    QLD, should just apply the going rate or NSW equivalent for waste disposal.
    Problem solved by the stroke of a pen.
    What problem? Is this not a market economy doing it's thing? Economic activity is drawn to low tax environments.
    fzr560

    The problem is that this material is supposed to be recycled and not land filled.
    Posted: 27 Feb 2018 14:03
      RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

    Location: Dubai UAE
    QLD, should just apply the going rate or NSW equivalent for waste disposal.
    Problem solved by the stroke of a pen.
    What problem? Is this not a market economy doing it's thing? Economic activity is drawn to low tax environments.

    The problem is that this material is supposed to be recycled and not land filled.
    simstrain
    Yes, agree but "Market Economy" etc etc.
    Posted: 27 Feb 2018 14:51
      simstrain Chief Commissioner

    This has nothing to do with market economy. What is happening is circumvention of the law by technicality.
    Posted: 28 Feb 2018 22:05
      allan Chief Commissioner

    The most interesting part of the report, for me, is at the end. It's the table of "waste generated and recycled, by state."  There's plenty to debate in those figures...

    As an example, the low rate of recycling in Qld I would presume to be a conseqence of a decentralised population, but, is it? Or is it a consequence of a lot of holes just waiting to be filled in?
    Posted: 01 Mar 2018 00:46
      RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

    Location: Dubai UAE
    This has nothing to do with market economy. What is happening is circumvention of the law by technicality.
    simstrain
    and why are they making that choice, because they make more money, back to Market Economy!
    Posted: 01 Mar 2018 14:14
      RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

    Location: Dubai UAE
    The most interesting part of the report, for me, is at the end. It's the table of "waste generated and recycled, by state."  There's plenty to debate in those figures...

    As an example, the low rate of recycling in Qld I would presume to be a conseqence of a decentralised population, but, is it? Or is it a consequence of a lot of holes just waiting to be filled in?
    allan
    Qld's not that de-centralised as its often made out as, the vast majority live in the SE corner which is where the bulk of new Queenslanders move to with the 2nd largest group around the Mackay-Townville- Cairns centre. The bulk of the rest is isolated and small, even the Rocky-Gladstone centre is barely around 150k.
    Posted: 01 Mar 2018 14:19
      gordon_s1942 Chief Commissioner

    Location: Central Tablelands of NSW
    Firstly, nobody wants any sort of Garbage Dump or Recycling Facility ITBY (In Their Back Yard) and there is no value in scrap.

    Its not until they catch fire do we see the huge stacks of paper waiting to be 'recycled' but heaven know when they ever will be.
    Aluminium cans are no better as the value has gone out of them too it seems.

    This is blatantly evident from the Days when everybody and his Dog was collecting and returning Aluminium cans but not now.
    Posted: 03 Mar 2018 17:03
      RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

    Location: Dubai UAE
    Firstly, nobody wants any sort of Garbage Dump or Recycling Facility ITBY (In Their Back Yard) and there is no value in scrap.

    Its not until they catch fire do we see the huge stacks of paper waiting to be 'recycled' but heaven know when they ever will be.
    Aluminium cans are no better as the value has gone out of them too it seems.

    This is blatantly evident from the Days when everybody and his Dog was collecting and returning Aluminium cans but not now.
    gordon_s1942
    In the early 80's aluminium can collection was worth around 60-70c/kg, then it declined to 40c/kg in late 80's with inflation rising 10%pa and I pretty much gave it away then and so did my cousins and that point.

    Today with primary aluminium at A$2800/t its around $2.80/kg - minus collection, transport and recycling cost, but the supply chain has evaporated as people "do the right thing" and its returned for free.

    Primary aluminium is however going down in price with time against inflation.
    http://inflationmonkey.blogspot.ae/2012/05/aluminium-metal-that-has-never-been-so.html
    Posted: 03 Mar 2018 20:59
      cuthbert Train Controller

    Notwithstanding all that has been said in this post - Why are Waste businesses in NSW charging the NSW waste levi to locals and still are able to send that same waste to QLD by rail instead of road transport to bypass the NSW $130 odd per tone levi (clear profit) to dump it it in QLD? SIMPLE QUESTION and no one knows the answer or is game to utter the real answer for fear of their life!
    Posted: 12 Mar 2018 15:23

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