Reopening the Mt Gambier Line, and consequences for the Hills

 
  kipioneer Chief Commissioner

Location: Aberfoyle Park
The Liberals in particular want the freight line moved.
They want to talk about it (they need to take back Waite) but whether they actually want to do it is a completely separate question.
justapassenger
Given that the line is owned by a federal government company that government would need to be on side.

I wouldn't mind betting that, should they come into power, the Liberals will observe something like "there isn't as much in the kitty as we were led to believe" and use that as an excuse not to undertake capital works.

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  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
Interesting electoral signs have appeared on Tapley's Hill Road at Seaton
They read "Vote Labor to remove this level crossing"
  patsstuffnow Junior Train Controller

Interesting about the tapleys hill road overpass / underpass.

It would need to go underground I guess because of the golf course, This would need to have a new Seaton Station built. This would mean a waste of the $210,000 station shelter recently installed.

interesting because Mullighan is promoting in his leaflets that Labor is doing these projects. Not Labor inspired use of taxpayers funds.
Grange, East Grange, Seaton, Albert Park , Woodville have new station passenger shelters that do not seem to shelter passengers.
Is labor paying for them or is it slightly misleading advertising?

And just up the road is the Port Road level crossing.
With the way the timetables operate you get two trains passing within 2 minutes or so.
There are much greater delays there than at Tapleys Hill road. Delays of ten to fifteen minutes in this area are common, So why not look at removing a much larger problem , in a much more easy project.

Another way to look at this crossing would be to double line from the old Holdens station to past Port Road.
That way trains could be programmed to cross there at the same time and reduce the number of closures by half.

and if that was implemented it would reduce the travel times on that line. And by reducing the 13 minute stop at Grange to say five minutes you could implement a fifteen minute service interval during the peak and provide double the services on the line to cater for the increased patronage being encouraged by labor as part of their free travel for pensioners.






This is in the Premiers electorate, so not a priority as he seems to think his seat is safe,
But Mullighan and his team of traffic hazard erectors ( sorry I mean electoral signs putter uppers) seem to be very worried about the result in Lee.
Mullighan has offered a roundabout at the corner of Military and Jetty roads .
He has erected a very low series of posters right on that corner which impede vision more than already exists.

If he is so worried about road safety , why does he allow signs to be erected that are traffic hazards.

I drove through Port Adelaide and Cheltenham electorates yesterday and the fewer number of posters from all parties was a better experience than the warfare in Lee.
Do these clowns really think I will vote for them as a result of the posters?


Do I really believe that transport ministers are here for public transport.

Last Week I went to the Cold Chisel after race concert on a fairly full train. Festival , car race etc.
I asked about the last train home to Grange.
Oh that will be a bus from North terrace as the line is closed tonight?"
After months and months of closure , they still need to close it again on that very busy night.
What were they doing this time?

So I caught the bus home from Grenfell street as well as a number of disgruntled people who wanted to travel by train, cause it is a better ride, faster and more comfortable.  20 minutes versus forty minutes.
  awsgc24 Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney

Nothing about regauging the Mount Gambier line for freight?

The steel sleepers on this line allow for NG, BG and SG.
  DJPeters Deputy Commissioner

Interesting about the tapleys hill road overpass / underpass.

It would need to go underground I guess because of the golf course, This would need to have a new Seaton Station built. This would mean a waste of the $210,000 station shelter recently installed.

interesting because Mullighan is promoting in his leaflets that Labor is doing these projects. Not Labor inspired use of taxpayers funds.
Grange, East Grange, Seaton, Albert Park , Woodville have new station passenger shelters that do not seem to shelter passengers.
Is labor paying for them or is it slightly misleading advertising?

And just up the road is the Port Road level crossing.
With the way the timetables operate you get two trains passing within 2 minutes or so.
There are much greater delays there than at Tapleys Hill road. Delays of ten to fifteen minutes in this area are common, So why not look at removing a much larger problem , in a much more easy project.

Another way to look at this crossing would be to double line from the old Holdens station to past Port Road.
That way trains could be programmed to cross there at the same time and reduce the number of closures by half.

and if that was implemented it would reduce the travel times on that line. And by reducing the 13 minute stop at Grange to say five minutes you could implement a fifteen minute service interval during the peak and provide double the services on the line to cater for the increased patronage being encouraged by labor as part of their free travel for pensioners.






This is in the Premiers electorate, so not a priority as he seems to think his seat is safe,
But Mullighan and his team of traffic hazard erectors ( sorry I mean electoral signs putter uppers) seem to be very worried about the result in Lee.
Mullighan has offered a roundabout at the corner of Military and Jetty roads .
He has erected a very low series of posters right on that corner which impede vision more than already exists.

If he is so worried about road safety , why does he allow signs to be erected that are traffic hazards.

I drove through Port Adelaide and Cheltenham electorates yesterday and the fewer number of posters from all parties was a better experience than the warfare in Lee.
Do these clowns really think I will vote for them as a result of the posters?


Do I really believe that transport ministers are here for public transport.

Last Week I went to the Cold Chisel after race concert on a fairly full train. Festival , car race etc.
I asked about the last train home to Grange.
Oh that will be a bus from North terrace as the line is closed tonight?"
After months and months of closure , they still need to close it again on that very busy night.
What were they doing this time?

So I caught the bus home from Grenfell street as well as a number of disgruntled people who wanted to travel by train, cause it is a better ride, faster and more comfortable.  20 minutes versus forty minutes.
patsstuffnow
They have a fair bit of concrete work to put in down the dive under in the Parklands to hide all the piles there, that can be seen now and it is better they do it the way they are doing it than shutting down the whole line for a week or more again to do it. A last train missing is not really the end of the world though, but a bus is running at night for this to Woodville where you can change into the train to complete your journey home!
  DJPeters Deputy Commissioner


Nothing about regauging the Mount Gambier line for freight?

The steel sleepers on this line allow for NG, BG and SG.
awsgc24
I doubt it will ever get done though as that much of the railway infrastructure in Mt Gambier is missing or could go missing in the future it is beyond a joke. They have gone a long while now and had no complaints that is why I say it might not happen. If it did happen it needs the line to Heywood regauged as well, but that is in Victoria well most of it and so out of the SA govt's reach and cannot be done by SA.
  Yappo Station Staff

The Mt Gambier > Wolseley line is dead, buried and cremated.

180+ KM of rail line would need to be completely rebuilt at huge expense by a state government that is pretty much broke.

The yard at Mt Gambier is gone and there would need to be a new yard built out of town for the line.

After doing all of that you would end up with a round about indirect 500km or thereabouts rail connection to Adelaide via the already congested Hills route which already sees councils in Mitcham and on "the flat" complaining constantly about train noise. By road it is 434km to Adelaide.

Re-instating MG to Heywood (around 90kms) makes way more sense as much of the freight out of the Green Triangle goes to Portland anyway but there doesn't seem to be any political will in either Vic or SA to do this

*** edit MG to Portland via Heywood is around 120km, MG to the Port of Geelong via Heywood and Maroona would be just over 400km and MG to PoM would be less than 500km, all of these options would only require a 90km line to be rebuilt as opposed to a 180km rebuild to Wolsely***

BG
Simple question

Knowing what we know now about the direction of rail freight in general since the line closed, would the like have actually survived anyway? For example, is the local traffic transhipped at the mainline onto rail and if not is the extra distance making such an impact on the likely hood of using rail in first place?
Not a simple question at all! The Mount Gambier > Wolesley Line carried a lot of traffic in it's day with freights running right through to Adelaide a couple of time a day at some stages plus passenger trains as well but clearly come the 1990s ARTC didn't want it and the SA Government couldn't afford to standardise it themselves OR didn't think it was worth the cost so I would say that it would have died a slow death even without the SG coming to town (or not as is the case for The Mount).

The Mt Gambier to Heywood line however is a very different proposition. There is a tremendous amount of traffic to be had out of the Green Triangle and IMO if the government of Victoria had been more pro-active around rail in the 1990s and 2000s then it may have been re-opened or gauge converted when Portland was which would have seen much more traffic on the SG system as a result.

There is bound to be a lot of politics between the ARTC and Victrack but with more resources being poured into the Maroona > Portland line and with the Port of Portland seemingly becoming interested in rail again it might be time to revisit it. But they won't. They'll just play the blame game.

BG
BrentonGolding

Freight rail corridor's resurrection across south-east SA and western Victoria gathers speed, ABC, 9 Sept 2020
A plan to resurrect a mothballed rail freight corridor that cuts through the south-east of South Australia and western Victoria has been lodged with a federal funding body for assessment. While the rail corridor between Heywood and Mount Gambier is unused and overgrown with weeds, plans are underway to reinstate the rail line to link it into the national network.

The Kimberly-Clark Australia tissue mill near Millicent — one of the nation's largest producers of toilet paper — has been identified as a potential user of rail freight. Regional Development Australia (RDA) Limestone Coast has lodged a report with Infrastructure Australia after commissioning a CSIRO-authored report into the proposal. The last freight train loaded with goods left the Mount Gambier railway station in 1995. The plan, estimated to cost up to $150 million, includes the establishment of a freight depot on Mount Gambier's eastern outskirts.

RDA Limestone Coast board member Scott Whicker said it "seemed crazy" the second largest city in South Australia was not connected with the national rail network. "This is the missing link in the whole transport system," he said. Mr Whicker said the former freight service at Mount Gambier had a low line speed due to poor infrastructure. "When the service shut down the line speed was only about 30-40kph in places. It wasn't competitive with road transport," he said. He said a new service would need to travel at speeds of up to 80kph.
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RDA Limestone Coast chair Peter Gandolfi said a submission had been lodged with Infrastructure Australia and talks were underway with the South Australian and Victorian state governments for funding avenues. "Hopefully we'll see it listed with Infrastructure Australia and possibly funded between three governments — being Victorian, South Australian, and federal," Mr Gandolfi said. He said it was now a decision for Federal Cabinet whether the project should be funded. "We have written to ministers and they have responded showing some interest."

The report used modelling to map the region's freight task and supply chains for major commodities including timber, livestock, dairy products, and crops.
Full article
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE

Nothing about regauging the Mount Gambier line for freight?

The steel sleepers on this line allow for NG, BG and SG.I doubt it will ever get done though as that much of the railway infrastructure in Mt Gambier is missing or could go missing in the future it is beyond a joke. They have gone a long while now and had no complaints that is why I say it might not happen. If it did happen it needs the line to Heywood regauged as well, but that is in Victoria well most of it and so out of the SA govt's reach and cannot be done by SA.
DJPeters
The proposal is to build a rail transfer hub at East Mt Gambia on outskirts of town. The remaining 90km to Heywood would be reguaged, no big deal as 100% new sleepers would be needed anyway to bring it to speed.

I don't see it being that expensive 90 km of track re-gauged, new sleepers, ballast, rated to 60km/h initially, 2 or 3 loading/unloading 1500m loops in a transfer yard. This will be a Fed job, not state.

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