New long-distance V/Line rolling stock

 
  Heihachi_73 Chief Commissioner

Location: Terminating at Ringwood
Level crossings like that are not enough to idiot-proof them, Victorian drivers also need a 6 inch thick steel wall the size of a truck to pop up out of the ground showing a huge red STOP sign when a train is about to go past.

And even then, you will still get morons driving around it on the wrong side of the road and becoming a new locomotive pilot, or stopping on top of the wall before it rises and having their car flipped when it comes out of the ground, or simply driving into the ten foot (3 metre) tall structure at 100 km/h without even seeing it. At least with the latter two it will be counted as a single vehicle collision.

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  Jack Le Lievre Chief Train Controller

Location: Moolap Station, Vic
Recent announcements from the State Government have suggested that the new Long Distance fleet will be based on the Vlocity, so that suggest to me that Push Pull is out of the equation.

Locomotive hauled trains are not immune from poorly behaved motorists and truck drivers who fail to stop at a set of flashing lights. The best outcome would be for all railway lines with regular passenger trains have every crossing upgraded to a minimum standard of Lights, Bells and Booms, with pre-crossing active warning lights at all major country road level crossings.

The lines from Waurn Ponds to Warrnambool, Wendouree to Ararat, Eaglehawk to Swan Hill, Epsom to Echuca, Seymour to Shepparton & Traralgon to Bairnsdale should be upgraded to Class 2 track with a 130km/h line speed where applicable.

On top of this, All long distance services on these lines should run as proper express services through the commuter corridors. This way (take Warrnambool for an example) A typical Down Warrnambool train would leave Southern Cross, stop to pick up at Footscray and or Sunshine, then run express at 160km/h all of the way to Geelong, then run express to Waurn Ponds, then stop all to Warrnambool running at 130km/h. It would be interesting to hear what sort of time savings that would provide, especially if the same level of service was provided for all long haul services.

It would sure give rail the upper hand over road.
Gman_86
These should be added to all High-Risk Regional Crossing;



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  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

Deadly Dan down at Warrnambool mid last year for the photo opportunity  said with  lx protection  fixed, second remote loop at Boorcan, basic CTC replacing the Train Orders, 160 kmh Southen Cross - Footscray - Geelong , then South Geelong - Waurn Ponds then SAS 130 kmh Melbourne - Warrnambool will come down to 3 hours .

First line to get V/locity will however be Bairnsdale , owing to the urgent need to reduce load stresses on aged Stratford bridge, with VL being announced along with urgent upgrade lx protection between Sale and Bairnsdale  on 14/03/18  . This would be at best 115kmh on existing Class - 3 track .
  vlocity27 Junior Train Controller

Location: Pakenham
Imagine a long distance Vlocity with the original seats (because they are the most comfortable)  from Bairnsdale stopping all stations to Moe, than express to Warragul / Drouin than express to Dandenong than stopping at Caulfield, Flinders and Southern.

How good would that be!
  duttonbay Minister for Railways

Imagine a long distance Vlocity with the original seats (because they are the most comfortable)  from Bairnsdale stopping all stations to Moe, than express to Warragul / Drouin than express to Dandenong than stopping at Caulfield, Flinders and Southern.

How good would that be!
vlocity27
That was the stopping pattern of the Gippslander in the 1960s, with the exception of Drouin (non-stop) and terminating at Flinders Street. There was no "Southern" back then. (Isn't one now either, to be pedantic) And Flinders is on the Mornington Peninsula. Smile
  DalyWaters Chief Commissioner

And travelling at 23 kmh from Dandenong to Caulfield  (the current average speed of express trains on that section).
  duttonbay Minister for Railways

And travelling at 23 kmh from Dandenong to Caulfield  (the current average speed of express trains on that section).
DalyWaters
The 1964 Gippslander was given 19 minutes from departure Dandenong to departure Caulfield, which is a bit less than 38mph or 60kmh. That's progress for you...
  n459L1150 Train Controller

Location: at sunbury on a V/line service into melbourne, waiting for thousands of impatient people to get on
May I ask what is long distance in Victoria?
simstrain
(over-reaction incoming)

Echuca to Melbourne 2-3 hours by car. 3-4 hours by train
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
May I ask what is long distance in Victoria?
(over-reaction incoming)

Echuca to Melbourne 2-3 hours by car. 3-4 hours by train
n459L1150

Melbourne to Albury
Melbourne to Echuca
Melbourne to Warrnambool
Melbourne to Bairnsdale
Melbourne to Swan Hill

I also also argue

Melbourne to Ararat
Melbourne to Shepparton?
  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
And travelling at 23 kmh from Dandenong to Caulfield  (the current average speed of express trains on that section).
The 1964 Gippslander was given 19 minutes from departure Dandenong to departure Caulfield, which is a bit less than 38mph or 60kmh. That's progress for you...
duttonbay
How many trains were in the section though?
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
May I ask what is long distance in Victoria?

No !

Long distance in Victoria, is reasonably long but not as long a distance, as in NSW.

Full Moon, on the way, is there ?

BigShunter.
  skitz Chief Commissioner

And travelling at 23 kmh from Dandenong to Caulfield  (the current average speed of express trains on that section).
The 1964 Gippslander was given 19 minutes from departure Dandenong to departure Caulfield, which is a bit less than 38mph or 60kmh. That's progress for you...
How many trains were in the section though?
speedemon08
It does not matter, slow is slow.  The opportunity to address the issue blown.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
May I ask what is long distance in Victoria?

No !

Long distance in Victoria, is reasonably long but not as long a distance, as in NSW.

Full Moon, on the way, is there ?

BigShunter.
BigShunter

Long distance in Victoria or anywhere else for that matter is no way as LONG...as long distance in Queensland.

Tuesday & Wednesday this week a 20.5 hour journey on one service (The Westlander)

Mike.
  n459L1150 Train Controller

Location: at sunbury on a V/line service into melbourne, waiting for thousands of impatient people to get on
where exactly ARE the v/locities allowed to travel at 160? I went to SCS from Echuca and back on Friday, I think they need to consider changing stopping patterns for 6-Car V/Lo's travelling long distance. I just think the long distance trains don't NEED to stop at every single station (Macedon-Sunbury for example) I think that V/Line should give the 1520 Echuca and 0720 Southern Cross from Echuca the same stopping patterns as the Swan Hill services.
  skitz Chief Commissioner

where exactly ARE the v/locities allowed to travel at 160? I went to SCS from Echuca and back on Friday, I think they need to consider changing stopping patterns for 6-Car V/Lo's travelling long distance. I just think the long distance trains don't NEED to stop at every single station (Macedon-Sunbury for example) I think that V/Line should give the 1520 Echuca and 0720 Southern Cross from Echuca the same stopping patterns as the Swan Hill services.
n459L1150
What planet are you on?  We're talking Vline here!

Where a 'service' is what counts and the numbers of stops equals the 'service'.  Pity they are slow and impractical with no vision for change in sight.
  Jack Le Lievre Chief Train Controller

Location: Moolap Station, Vic
where exactly ARE the v/locities allowed to travel at 160?
n459L1150
Between Deer Park Jct. and North Shore Wink
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
where exactly ARE the v/locities allowed to travel at 160? I went to SCS from Echuca and back on Friday, I think they need to consider changing stopping patterns for 6-Car V/Lo's travelling long distance. I just think the long distance trains don't NEED to stop at every single station (Macedon-Sunbury for example) I think that V/Line should give the 1520 Echuca and 0720 Southern Cross from Echuca the same stopping patterns as the Swan Hill services.
n459L1150
The Echuca service is a REALLY weird one. Stops all stations on the Up and the Down making it a very long trip indeed. I have never understood it, how many pax to or from Echuca / Elmore / Rochester want to travel too or from Clarkefield?!?!

This service should be express Bendigo / Castlemaine / Kyneton / Gisborne /Sunbury at the very least, perhaps even less stops. If passengers want to go elsewhere they should change for another service.

As for the first part of your post there are various 160km/h sections around Calder Park > Diggers Rest, up side of Kyneton > Taradale West / Elphi and a few others.

https://corporate.vline.com.au/CMSModules/SharePoint/CMSPages/GetSharePointFile.ashx?connectionname=VNAP&fileref=%2fNetworkServicesPlan%2fTrain+Operating+Data+-+List+of+all+V-Line+Lines%2f14+-+Sunbury+to+Bendigo+R01-2018+-+NA_NSP_02-14.pdf&cacheminutes=5&cachefilesize=1024&hash=b81000a950b48db39feedb5e0be9acb4b9c428aabe1e14daef371ba9d0924a80

BG
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
I actually wrote to the Minister about this a few years ago...amongst a few other things. It was as though they couldn't understand what I was writing about. But now the track will soon be 130 Km/h from Bendigo to Echuca, it might be worth another try and it would shave around 45 mins off the Melbourne - Echuca journey.

Mike.
  nozza99 Station Master

Location: Warrnambool, Vic
where exactly ARE the v/locities allowed to travel at 160? I went to SCS from Echuca and back on Friday, I think they need to consider changing stopping patterns for 6-Car V/Lo's travelling long distance. I just think the long distance trains don't NEED to stop at every single station (Macedon-Sunbury for example) I think that V/Line should give the 1520 Echuca and 0720 Southern Cross from Echuca the same stopping patterns as the Swan Hill services.
The Echuca service is a REALLY weird one. Stops all stations on the Up and the Down making it a very long trip indeed. I have never understood it, how many pax to or from Echuca / Elmore / Rochester want to travel too or from Clarkefield?!?!

This service should be express Bendigo / Castlemaine / Kyneton / Gisborne /Sunbury at the very least, perhaps even less stops. If passengers want to go elsewhere they should change for another service.

As for the first part of your post there are various 160km/h sections around Calder Park > Diggers Rest, up side of Kyneton > Taradale West / Elphi and a few others.

https://corporate.vline.com.au/CMSModules/SharePoint/CMSPages/GetSharePointFile.ashx?connectionname=VNAP&fileref=%2fNetworkServicesPlan%2fTrain+Operating+Data+-+List+of+all+V-Line+Lines%2f14+-+Sunbury+to+Bendigo+R01-2018+-+NA_NSP_02-14.pdf&cacheminutes=5&cachefilesize=1024&hash=b81000a950b48db39feedb5e0be9acb4b9c428aabe1e14daef371ba9d0924a80

BG
BrentonGolding


This is a problem across all V/Line long distance services AFAIK.
For example the 11:47 UP weekend Warrnambool service takes 3 hours and 36 minutes stopping ALL stations.
WCR ran this with R711 on the business end at a time of 3:13. Very competitive with car travel. It was only 53 mins from Geelong to Spencer Street.
Obviously a difference due to running via Werribee but express running through the Myki zone makes a huge difference for country passengers in both comfort (seat availability) and TIME.
  DALEK Locomotive Fireman

Warrnambool trains tend to run express from Geelong to Footscray on weekdays. On weekends however, they stop all stations meaning that the train is sometimes standing room only before it leaves Geelong.
  nozza99 Station Master

Location: Warrnambool, Vic
Warrnambool trains tend to run express from Geelong to Footscray on weekdays. On weekends however, they stop all stations meaning that the train is sometimes standing room only before it leaves Geelong.
DALEK

Correct, the new 9:24 and 5:13 weekday services introduced last year run on pretty good time only picking up at Waurn Ponds and Geelong before Footscray - How all long distance services should be run.
  n459L1150 Train Controller

Location: at sunbury on a V/line service into melbourne, waiting for thousands of impatient people to get on
I actually wrote to the Minister about this a few years ago...amongst a few other things. It was as though they couldn't understand what I was writing about. But now the track will soon be 130 Km/h from Bendigo to Echuca, it might be worth another try and it would shave around 45 mins off the Melbourne - Echuca journey.

Mike.
The Vinelander
I'll believe that when it happens
  TOQ-1 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Power Trainger
where exactly ARE the v/locities allowed to travel at 160? I went to SCS from Echuca and back on Friday, I think they need to consider changing stopping patterns for 6-Car V/Lo's travelling long distance. I just think the long distance trains don't NEED to stop at every single station (Macedon-Sunbury for example) I think that V/Line should give the 1520 Echuca and 0720 Southern Cross from Echuca the same stopping patterns as the Swan Hill services.
n459L1150
Before the last few timetable changes, the 1515 Down Echuca train used to stop all stations because every second train did, and that was just the pattern. The 1600 (or its it 1601?) seemed to be introduced to allow it to run express, however this didn't change.

The problem seems to be it runs through Sunbury and the Macedon Ranges at school finishing time, so it needs to stop to pick up students who would otherwise crowd peak services. Up until 2015 Swan Hill trains used to stop all stations, changing them to limited express (and maybe smarter loop scheduling as a result) has saved them about 10-15 minutes between Southern Cross and Bendigo.

But yes, it's absolutely ridiculous that Echuca (and Ararat and Maryborough) trains aren't formed from express runs.
  RustyRick Chief Commissioner

Location: South West Vic
Seems that Mr Purcell knows something we don't... Rolling Eyes

"Mr Purcell said the VLocity, which was the highest-speed train in the V/Line fleet, was currently being equipped with onboard canteens and seats necessary for extended regional trips. "

http://www.standard.net.au/story/5405079/faster-comfy-trains-pledge-but-when-will-it-happen/?cs=72

Rick
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
Seems that Mr Purcell knows something we don't... Rolling Eyes

"Mr Purcell said the VLocity, which was the highest-speed train in the V/Line fleet, was currently being equipped with onboard canteens and seats necessary for extended regional trips. "

http://www.standard.net.au/story/5405079/faster-comfy-trains-pledge-but-when-will-it-happen/?cs=72

Rick
RustyRick

A strange quotation in the above article, the 1980s-era diesel-hauled trains, so the new V'los must be running on Kerosene, are they Shocked what else would they be running on E10.

BigShunter.

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