Portland Action

 
  RustyRick Chief Commissioner

Location: South West Vic
G520 and BL28 are back again with another 50 or so wagons.
Rick

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  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
G520 and BL28 are back again with another 50 or so wagons.
Rick
RustyRick

Certainly getting some traffic down there.  Any news on the Portland Intermodal Terminal?
  RustyRick Chief Commissioner

Location: South West Vic
Nothing definite yet.

Porthaul are buying a large block of land on Darts Rd which is going through the planning process. There's a rumour that the old Portland Nth station site is also been looked at. The local residents are very unhappy about that.

Rick
  RustyRick Chief Commissioner

Location: South West Vic
G520 and BL28 are back again. Getting monotonous...
Rick
  Y115 Chief Train Controller

Location: Portland
Sorry for no reports, have been in hospital with no internet since March 7th.  Have been told PN grain here today possibly BL28 and G520.

Usual number of grain wagons when they're busy is between 50 and 56 but it does vary a lot and I usually don't bother to count them all.

Will be slow recovery for me but will report when I can.
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
Sorry for no reports, have been in hospital with no internet since March 7th.  Have been told PN grain here today possibly BL28 and G520.

Usual number of grain wagons when they're busy is between 50 and 56 but it does vary a lot and I usually don't bother to count them all.

Will be slow recovery for me but will report when I can.
Y115

Sorry to hear that Y115, rest up and look after ya self, RustyRick has been doing a good job, holding the fort.

BigShunter.
  mikesyd Chief Commissioner

Location: Lurking
Get well soon Y115.
  RustyRick Chief Commissioner

Location: South West Vic
I thought it was a bit odd you weren’t around Y115. Take it easy with the recovery.

Rick
  Y115 Chief Train Controller

Location: Portland
G520 and BL28 been and gone with PN grain, arrive about 0300, depart about 1405.
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
G520 and BL28 been and gone with PN grain, arrive about 0300, depart about 1405.
Y115

Y115 are they shifting Canola for the upcoming ship or grain ?

BigShunter.
  Y115 Chief Train Controller

Location: Portland
Have no idea what they're moving, haven't been out for months and it's looking like a few more months prisoner at home.  Ship is due on 28th, been put back a week.
  RustyRick Chief Commissioner

Location: South West Vic
I'd just like to report - there is no news this week...

Rick
  Y115 Chief Train Controller

Location: Portland
I'd just like to report - there is no news this week...

Rick
RustyRick

Normal for us!  Grain ship BTG EVEREST (big one) due next Friday, date keeps changing.
  footscrazy Station Master

Out of curiosity...

Does anyone know how many trains to a ship?
Let’s assume 40 wagon trains and an average sized ship?

Do the ships make multiple stops around the country or do they run point to point?
  Y115 Chief Train Controller

Location: Portland
Out of curiosity...

Does anyone know how many trains to a ship?
Let’s assume 40 wagon trains and an average sized ship?

Do the ships make multiple stops around the country or do they run point to point?
footscrazy

Approx 2000t per train of 40 wagons (50t per wagon).

How many trains would depend on how much grain the ship is loading, here it's anything from 10,000t (top up load) to 65,000t (full ship load).

Full loading goes straight to who ever ordered it, part loading is usually a top up from another port.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Approx 2000t per train of 40 wagons (50t per wagon).

How many trains would depend on how much grain the ship is loading, here it's anything from 10,000t (top up load) to 65,000t (full ship load).

Full loading goes straight to who ever ordered it, part loading is usually a top up from another port.
Y115
So just over 30 trains for a full ship load approx, I know we have discussed this before but how much grain can Portland store at the port again? ie is it a case of you recieve a full ship load and then have to halt trains waiting for the bunkers to be emptied onto the vessel or is the port able to hold 2, 3 or more shiploads?

***edit just found info at Graincorp site which I couldn't find on the Port of Portland site suggesting that capacity is 60,000 mT which would suggest they would need a couple of top up loadings while the ship is berthed (I have read that the Portland grain loader is pretty slow in comparison to some others so this shouldn't be a problem?)

IF this is correct and the next ship is due to take Canola then the storage would have to have been empty of any other grains and cleaned, does this ring true?***

BG
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
Detail for GrainCorp Portland Terminal

Vertical bins - 60,000 tonnes
Horizontal storage capacity - 80,000 tonnes
Rail receival one  hopper – up to 1000 TPH
Road receival one hopper – up to 250 TPH
Ship loader Berth 1 – up to 1400 TPH
Ship loader Berth 2 – up to 650 TPH

Ship capacity Berth 1 – 60,000 DWT

Ship capacity Berth 2 – 50,000 DWT

Berth 1 length 255m

Berth 2 length 143m

Berth 1 depth 12.5m

Berth 2 depth 11.5m

http://www.graincorp.com.au/grains/ports-and-shipping look for link to "Ports Brochure"

EDIT:- as a comparison with one of the newest grain ship loaders - Viterra's Outer Harbor terminal in Adelaide has ship out load capacity of 2,200 TPH
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
Out of curiosity...


Do the ships make multiple stops around the country or do they run point to point?
footscrazy
Because of the cost of berthing a ship, (it is rather expensive) the owners prefer to make a single stop, but sometimes it's unavoidable to make "Top Up calls"
On occasions we have seen grain transported by rail long distances to cater for "one stop loadings" for example GWA have hauled grain from Dimboola to Outer Harbor a number of times.

One other factor can not be ignored. Grain comes in a number of varieties and grades. So shipping will require a hold of a bulk carrier ship to have only one variety and grade (can't be mixed). Most bulk carriers have a number of separate holds so they can take different varieties but again they are restricted to one variety/grade per Hold.
  Y115 Chief Train Controller

Location: Portland
Not sure how old that brochure is, berth 2 hasn't been used for grain ships for ages and the 80,000t horizontal storage doesn't sound right these days.  I'll find out more when I'm well again.

The last grain ship here loaded from Berth 5 with a portable loader and trucks, first time for this I think.
  footscrazy Station Master

Interesting stuff, have been wanting an answer to that question for years!

Thank you BG, Pressman and Y115


As an aside, if...

Trains = Gunzels
Planes = Aerosexuals
Ships = ???
  Y115 Chief Train Controller

Location: Portland
We don't have fancy names for ship enthusiasts, we're just ship spotters.

No trains yet, probably won't get any more until the big ship takes some away, she's on her way, was just past Lakes Entrance last time I checked.
  RustyRick Chief Commissioner

Location: South West Vic
I'd just like to report - there is no news this week...

Rick

Normal for us!  Grain ship BTG EVEREST (big one) due next Friday, date keeps changing.
Y115
BTG Everest is currently at anchor in Portland Bay. It's due to dock at KS Anderson berth 1 tomorrow to load canola. The Port of Portland website http://www.portofportland.com.au/port-facilities/wharf-facilities-a-capacity.html says that the facilities at KSA1 can deliver 1400 somethings per hour. I assume tonnes...

The ship will then sail for Rostock in Germany on 6 April.

Rick
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
Does this mean more trains are due for loading of the ship?
  Y115 Chief Train Controller

Location: Portland
Does this mean more trains are due for loading of the ship?
x31

No, grain is already here.
  Y115 Chief Train Controller

Location: Portland
Just found out we had a grain train today, 8110 and BL30, must have arrived late.

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