V/Line Incidents/Disruptions

 
  DalyWaters Chief Commissioner



On another note - bustitutions due to "Staff Sickness" (code for "we don't have enough staff and they currently have overtime bans in place") are becoming epidemic of late.

Carnot
There are no overtime bans in place.

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  DalyWaters Chief Commissioner

If you put your cynical hat on, you might spot a deliberate crisis being created on two fronts.

Firstly, Bombardier maintain the "heritage" fleet. (That is long distance cars and N class locos).  The failure rate has been appalling of late.

Bombardier are most likely going to build the replacement long distance train, construction of which would probably be brought forward if the "heritage" fleet became terribly unreliable.  2 + 2 sometimes equals 4 but not always.

Secondly, the PTV and V/Line management co-operate to determine what staff numbers are needed to match with future timetable changes.  The last two timetable changes and service increases were done with almost no recruitment to match.  Currently there are about 60 trainees in the driving grade (not one of which is an internal candidate, i.e. conductor, station staff, etc, - making a joke of the claim that V/Line wants to provide internal career paths).  Unfortunately, there are not enough trainers so quite a few trainees study for weeks at a time in the meal room, hoping to get called out for a second person run on the A class or yard pilot to break the boredom.

Is this poor planning due to inept management or the manufacture of a crisis so that the public are softened up to agitate for reduced training times in order to quickly get drivers in the seat.  It currently takes about 75 weeks (plus time spent studying in the meal room) to create a driver for 160 kmh trains, a far cry from the 5.5 years it took in the 1980s.  Any reduction is dangerous.  You could ask any trainee.  They all want to get through for driving as the training is a bit of an ordeal but none would want to be out too soon as they recognise the importance of thorough knowledge of the tracks, equipment and safeworking.

V/Line is not like freight where loading can vary quite a lot.  The introduction of new services is planned well in advance.  There is no excuse for not having enough drivers but there is a drastic shortage at the moment.
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

^^ Sounds like inept management combined with pressures from above to reduce costs by delaying staff recruitment etc.  Also looks like meeting short-term KPIs takes priority over common-sense and long-term vision.  Not unusual these days within most organisations.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
  jakar Assistant Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
Firstly, Bombardier maintain the "heritage" fleet. (That is long distance cars and N class locos). The failure rate has been appalling of late. Bombardier are most likely going to build the replacement long distance train, construction of which would probably be brought forward if the "heritage" fleet became terribly unreliable. 2 + 2 sometimes equals 4 but not always.
DalyWaters
I've had people involved with the maintenance openly admit that if a Vlocity requires a part they will do everything that can to obtain that part but when it comes to anything else the care factor is waaay lower.
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

V/line are so short of N-sets at present that a H-set is running this evening's Bairnsdale Down service. Better than being bustituted I suppose.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Don't anybody tell Vline that it is Black Thursday or the whole show will collapse in fright (after someone tells them what Black Thursday means that is).
  vlocity27 Junior Train Controller

Location: Pakenham
V/line are so short of N-sets at present that a H-set is running this evening's Bairnsdale Down service. Better than being bustituted I suppose.
Carnot
Pics surely.

Has a H-set ever ran beyond Traralgon before?
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
TSRs back on the Taradale Viaduct on the Bendigo line judging by the NS signs on the Down side of the bridge heading towards the old station.

I have noticed services slowing out of Malmsbury on Down trains recently, didn't notice it on the Up because all of my trains get punted onto the loop for a cross.

Now i know why.

BG
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Tonight's trip from Castlemaine to Southern Cross is my second V/Line shocker in a row.

Monday's 09.14 Down Bendigo was 22 minutes late into CME after losing more than 10 minutes into Sunbury and then more time as we went on. Missed my connecting bus and had to get a taxi to work.

Today's 17.07 CME > SC slowed around Wildwood before sauntering down the hill into Sunbury. Since Sunbury it has been stop start running as we are clearly stuck behind a Spark. Will be at least 15 minutes late into Melbourne at this rate.

So 2 late running trains both caused by pathing issues with Metro services between Sunshine and Sunbury.

I thought this was supposed to be a thing of the past with the new Metro contract favoring regional services over suburban ones?

Or hasn't the new contract come into effect yet?

BG
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
From bad to worse, this morning's 09.14 Dn Bendigo was held between the RRL junction and Albion for a full 3 minutes to enable a metro train to take the path.

The connie told me that yesterday this service was 7 minutes EARLY into Sunbury, I can only assume that this causes platform access issues at Sunbury as the service has to wait for normal departure time thereby holding up the Sparks.

However when we are held we pretty much always run late into Sunbury and never make up the time.

Methinks PTV needs to look at re-timetabling this service, this morning it has 40 or 50 pax heading to Bendigo for the Marimekko exhibition and they are rather purplexed as to why we keep stopping.

Not a good advertisement for V/Line

***edit was told by the connie that the service arriving early into SBY doesn't cause any problems for Metro as the platform is not required by sparx at this time***and we arrived into CME just over 10 minutes late, made the bus this time***

BG
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
And to top off a great week on V/Line for me I sauntered down to Castlemaine Station to get the 16.25 Express only to find out is had been cancelled. No mention of it on my email feed from VLine although they did mention the 17.53 SCS to Bendigo running with a reduced capacity (as usual)

The road was even set for the train with the signal at the up end of Platform 1 displaying a Green over Red aspect despite the PIDS screen saying the next train due was the Down Echuca so i presume it happened at the last minute.

So the choice was to get a bus or wait for the 17.07 Stopper. This ice cold pint was the deal breaker.

BG
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
I know that V/Line are really short on crews and are training as many wanna-be drivers as they can. So it may have been a last minute staff sickness.

M.

PS off the V/Line feed.

Live Disruptions
Service change15:50 Eaglehawk - Southern Cross train will not run due to a train fault. Customers are advised to board the 16:34 Epsom to SCS.
[15:42 20/04]
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
I know that V/Line are really short on crews and are training as many wanna-be drivers as they can. So it may have been a last minute staff sickness.

M.

PS off the V/Line feed.

Live Disruptions
Service change15:50 Eaglehawk - Southern Cross train will not run due to a train fault. Customers are advised to board the 16:34 Epsom to SCS.
[15:42 20/04]
The Vinelander
Thanks Mike but unfortunately that info wasn't sent to my email as disruptions usually are otherwise I could've got an extra pint in

BG
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

BG - my experiences of late mirror yours. Metro trains are getting priority at Sunshine and not waiting at all for Down V/lines to overtake.  And to top it off some V/line trains are stopping on the Down at Sunbury on the middle track before they enter VLine only territory for no obvious reason.

6 months ago we would've been barrelling along here at 130 km/h. Then they whacked a 80 km/h TSR here, and now some of them stop and go. Why????

Taradale TSR is perplexing, especially since they re-decked bridge etc just 18 months ago...

Incidentally, yesterday was a dog's breakfast. Some of the RRL is out of action at Kensington South for Melb Metro works. At least services are still running.
  jakar Assistant Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
BG - my experiences of late mirror yours. Metro trains are getting priority at Sunshine and not waiting at all for Down V/lines to overtake.  And to top it off some V/line trains are stopping on the Down at Sunbury on the middle track before they enter VLine only territory for no obvious reason.

6 months ago we would've been barrelling along here at 130 km/h. Then they whacked a 80 km/h TSR here, and now some of them stop and go. Why????

Taradale TSR is perplexing, especially since they re-decked bridge etc just 18 months ago...

Incidentally, yesterday was a dog's breakfast. Some of the RRL is out of action at Kensington South for Melb Metro works. At least services are still running.
Carnot
The Taradale TSR is for track geometry issues. I don't believe it has anything to do with the bridge as such as it starts near Malmsbury and finishes just after the bridge.

The Sunbury TSR is for rough riding over Gap Rd LX. Don't expect it to be fixed anytime soon as it doesn't impact Metro at all **.  

In regards to stopping in the middle road at Sunbury, Metro control that signal so who knows what, or even if, there is reason behind it. Its not just Sunbury that has these issues with Metro signalers and Vline....

** Just like the illuminated 80km/h speed indicator departing Pakenham on the down which broke. Metro never fixed it so all trains have to do 40 instead of 80 if they're going onto the South track from platform 2.
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

Talking of Sunbury signalling - equipment failure this morning at that location. Both VLine and Metro services a mess...
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
  SamTheMan79 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Geelong
bevans
"Training Requirements" has been the excuse all day.
  DalyWaters Chief Commissioner

Today (Friday) and tomorrow (Saturday) are the last two days of the pay fortnight.

Drivers are not permitted to work more than twelve days in the fortnight so quite a few drivers have already been used for their 12 days.  This leads to crisis every second Friday and Saturday.

The usual practice is to ask all available staff from the Training Centre to drive on this Friday.  There are some training staff that are running classes and otherwise tied up such that they can't drive trains today.  Thus, training requirements is the new reason for cancelled trains today.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
How about this one for a reason:

  vlocity27 Junior Train Controller

Location: Pakenham
I've recieved a few text messages with delays from V/line with ''track congestion at Nar Nar Goon'' and ''track congestion at Sale''
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
Camperdown has a crossing loop at the station still?
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
I've recieved a few text messages with delays from V/line with ''track congestion at Nar Nar Goon'' and ''track congestion at Sale''
vlocity27
And I have received a few recently with "track congestion at Castlemaine"

Up VGR service from Maldon "wrong roaded" into Platform 2 perhaps? Laughing

BG
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
A lovely long rake of grain hoppers stabled at Castlemaine when I passed under the Midland Highway bridge this morning at around 11am.

Was this another grainie failure? If so must have caused a few headaches for V/line, I would normally have been on the 09.14 Dn Bendigo which arrives into 2 road at around that time.

BG

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