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  SAR523 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Chicago, IL
Hahahahahaha  Free you have to be joking no one does anything any more for free these days. The NRM got Allambi gratis (Free) and then had to spend over $25,000 to get it bought to Adelaide by truck and that was with mates rates and the truck had a back load as well.  The NRM does not get handouts from Governments like a lot of you may assume, the larger percentage of the money walks in the front gate or spends money in the bookshop.
DJPeters

So that's one data point.  Another I look at is that the (now closed) Junction One in Littlehampton moved their 'party carriage' (from Pt Augusta IIRC).  I'm pretty sure they didn't have $25k lying around.

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  ARG706 Chief Commissioner

Location: SA
I noticed on Flexity 109 tonight that the automated announcements were in a different and more annoying voice, and were referring which side of the tram passengers had to alight from at each stop. Also, passengers were constantly being told to hold on whilst the tram was in motion.

Whilst this was only on one trip, I did notice a security guard present on the tram who would have endured this for several hours.

I had personally found tram travel quite relaxing until tonight's trip. Now I have to be prepared to try my best to filter out this new audio graffiti every time it approaches a station.

Nonetheless, to play it safe with the insurance companies, I would suggest that the DPTI program in some announcements that tell passengers to mind the gap when boarding and alighting. (Audible from inside and outside the tram). Basically like the announcements on the trains programmed into the trams, but with 'improvements'.

I suspect most of us tend to filter out this kind of crap, but I am a tad noise sensitive and the aforementioned seems to never fail to get my attention unless I am listening to 'music' or something.

In short, it is starting to deter me from catching any form of rail transport. How did we get by for 77 years with the old wooden rattle boxes with opening windows and no automated announcements?

Anyhow, I don't want to imagine what I'll be complaining about further down the line in regards to automated announcements. I suspect we have it easy at the moment!
  LL10194 Station Master

Location: Perth
Also, passengers were constantly being told to hold on whilst the tram was in motion.
ARG706
They apparently introduced something similar on London buses. There was a trial in January, and there was some negative reaction which was reported in the press.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7GT4tFgLuM

I'm not sure what the current status is two months on from the trial.
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
Geoff Marshall strikes again
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Anyhow, I don't want to imagine what I'll be complaining about further down the line in regards to automated announcements. I suspect we have it easy at the moment!
ARG706
The nanny state is going into overdrive... also I suspect that lawyers are behind the increase in announcements. Whenever anything bad like this happens you can be sure that there's some expensive legal advice telling them this is the modern way to risk manage... by treating people like they're helpless babies who constantly need nurse-maiding.
  patsstuffnow Junior Train Controller

Happy Easter all.
hope everyone stays safe on the road and rails.

Went to Semaphore for the international kite festival today,  was part of the expected crowd of 65,000 people. and moved around the port and grange areas.

And for the third Easter in a row the west has substitute bus services.

My last trip to the city from Grange was V8 supercar weekend to attend the Cold Chisel concert.  During the Festival time as well and buses substituted for trains that night as well.

So my question is ???
When will the Outer Harbor and Grange lines actually be finished?

Was this latest interruption to services as part of Salisbury electrification ?
If so, could they not have put some railcars captive on the Port line for the weekend? Maybe paid the museum a stabling charge.

Bus substitute services just do not cut the mustard on these lines.
Another example of how keeping the rosewater loop intact would have made sense.




Or has Labour left the state so bankrupt that they can not afford to run services?

If services had run as normal , or as truncated services from Bowden to Outer Harbour and Grange, the buses could have preformed a shuttle service along Semaphore road. That could have been a way to repay the businesses and services in the area for their losses during the last few years.

Instead there were probably " business as usual " signs on the closed roads and platforms.
  nscaler69 Deputy Commissioner

Location: There are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of inquisitive idiots.
So my question is ???
When will the Outer Harbor and Grange lines actually be finished?

Was this latest interruption to services as part of Salisbury electrification ?
patsstuffnow
https://www.adelaidemetro.com.au/Announcements/Planned-Disruptions/Temporary-closures-on-the-Outer-Harbor-Grange-and-Gawler-train-lines-over-Easter
  62430 Chief Train Controller

Location: Metro Adelaide
Work observed yesterday afternoon:

  • The new connection into the W end of the Adelaide Yard N sidings was being tamped.  A new exit signal from the connection has been installed but not yet in use.  The Down Gawler at Gaol Jn had a ballast regulator.  The Up signals st Torrens Bridge have position light subsidiary aspects for entrance to the new connection.
  • At Torrens Jn the ped signals on the new ped crossing were about to be installed.  Mesh fencing was being fitted on the underpass parapet beside War Mem. Dr.
  • The trench walls E of Bowden and at Drayton St were being worked on for fitting of cladding. A cherry picker was lifted down on to the track at Bowden Station.

A recent T2T update indicated that the new gated ped. crossings at West St, Coglin St and Queen St. would be operational in May.
  ARG706 Chief Commissioner

Location: SA
I have a question to ask.

On March 20, I caught the Outer Harbor train from Adelaide station. I have noticed that my metro card history shows an additional validation at 9:20PM, after validating a few minutes before departure. This would have been due to a PSA checking tickets.

But I would like to know, can one incur an additional charge if the two hour window has expired before the ticket checks? The prepaid ticketing system in Adelaide is dodgy enough, given that the DPTI clearly does not want to implement a daily cap for the card due to the minuscule reduction in revenue it would have to endure..... Oh no!

However, if this is the case, it is taking things to a new low.....
  kipioneer Chief Commissioner

Location: Aberfoyle Park
I have a question to ask.

On March 20, I caught the Outer Harbor train from Adelaide station. I have noticed that my metro card history shows an additional validation at 9:20PM, after validating a few minutes before departure. This would have been due to a PSA checking tickets.

But I would like to know, can one incur an additional charge if the two hour window has expired before the ticket checks? The prepaid ticketing system in Adelaide is dodgy enough, given that the DPTI clearly does not want to implement a daily cap for the card due to the minuscule reduction in revenue it would have to endure..... Oh no!

However, if this is the case, it is taking things to a new low.....
ARG706
From observation the card is validated at the gate then again on the train.  This is shown as a transfer on your history.

I assume, and I could be wrong, that the first validation is the time used, not the second.

I guess it works this way since you can change trains in Adelaide without going through the barriers; your validation on the second train would show as a transfer.
  ARG706 Chief Commissioner

Location: SA
I probably should have worded a tad more clearly. I boarded the train at around 9:08PM or something like that. I'm not referring to the barriers. I'm referring to the PSA's ticket check showing up as a transfer or some sort of actual validation. If this is the case, it is dodgy and unfair on passengers.

I heard of several cases of PSAs or other transport department workers whinging about passengers boarding a train with a 2 hour ticket that expires prior to or even beyond the time of departure. It is perfectly legal to travel using this method.

I have personally validated a ticket prior to 3PM on a bus I didn't even intend to catch to avoid incurring a surcharge when the actual service I was waiting for was scheduled to arrive just after 3PM. On one occasion, it was showing up as running late and I didn't want to risk it.

Anyhow, this is perfectly legal and not entirely unheard of, whether the DPTI like it or not... I am so tired of wasting money on my card. The cost to even just replace a lost one is a complete ripoff. The government claims they want more folks to use PT, yet they charge them for a prepaid card. Very encouraging!

In a way, I think the government actually wants as many paper tickets sales as possible due to the revenue they make when fining the private operators for late running.
  nscaler69 Deputy Commissioner

Location: There are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of inquisitive idiots.
I am so tired of wasting money on my card. The cost to even just replace a lost one is a complete ripoff. The government claims they want more folks to use PT, yet they charge them for a prepaid card. Very encouraging!
ARG706
As of Tuesday 3rd April 2018:

"No card fee for metroCARDs
- No card fee for new metroCARDs - Save $5.00 Regular or $3.50 Concession"

(Taken from the Ad Metro website)
  DJPeters Assistant Commissioner

Your Metro card only valdates on trains , trams and buses, going through a gate anywhere that you have to use the Metrocard does not validate it is simply reads your card to ascertain that you have validated it on the train or some other form of PT and that the card is valid. Your trip is valid for two hours from the time the Metro card is validated when you get on so even if you get on something with two minutes to spare on the Metrocard trip before it runs out, and as long as you have validated it before it runs out then you are entitled to finish the trip, you do not have to re-validate the card you only need do it boarding, this applies for any length of trip as well. Even if you are going to Gawler Central or the reverse. Also all the PSA's have is a card reader they cannot change any details or times or even add extra's to the card. All it does is read that your ticket has been validated before the cut off time.

You cannot be fined for that though some PSA's will try to fine you, stand up to them if you are in the right though. I had this out one day with a PSA and he said I was wrong so I asked him once we got to Adelaide could he please check to make sure and I went with him and sure enough I was right he had mis- understood or simply did not know that it was like that. You usually get one or two PSA's like this though some even make a habit out of it and stand over people. You are not evading paying a fare doing this it is in the rules etc of the MetroCard.

All this can be checked on the Adelaide Metro website and if you have any problems then contact them!

If you have had other things even small amounts deducted from your card then it could be a scammer or something has your details, best report it to Adelaide Metro though. Some of these are only a few cents here and there that they scam and most people would not even worry about it, but say only 35 cents is removed from the card if enough people have it done to them then it can be a lot over say 25,000 people or more.
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

Your Metro card only valdates on trains , trams and buses, going through a gate anywhere that you have to use the Metrocard does not validate it is simply reads your card to ascertain that you have validated it on the train or some other form of PT and that the card is valid.
DJPeters
This is FALSE.

When you validate at the entry to Adelaide, Noarlunga or Salisbury stations as the start of your trip (i.e. not a transfer within the two hour window) then it is a "full" validation which deducts the balance and starts the two hours.

If you validate to exit a station and the previous validation was not on a train or was on a train but more than a certain time before the exit validation (varies according to the line) then you will be charged by the exit validation rather than the card being rejected.
  ARG706 Chief Commissioner

Location: SA
I am so tired of wasting money on my card. The cost to even just replace a lost one is a complete ripoff. The government claims they want more folks to use PT, yet they charge them for a prepaid card. Very encouraging!
ARG706
As of Tuesday 3rd April 2018:

"No card fee for metroCARDs
- No card fee for new metroCARDs - Save $5.00 Regular or $3.50 Concession"

(Taken from the Ad Metro website)
"nscaler69"


Well that's completely useless now, given that I've already surrendered money 3 times now over a misplaced card. The DPTI knows that there's a lot of flaws in the system, yet they're happy with it because it brings in extra dollars....

I think we'll see a high speed train to Mt Gambier before a daily cap for the card. Money comes before anything, including respect towards unsuspecting paying customers.
  DJPeters Assistant Commissioner

Your Metro card only valdates on trains , trams and buses, going through a gate anywhere that you have to use the Metrocard does not validate it is simply reads your card to ascertain that you have validated it on the train or some other form of PT and that the card is valid.
This is FALSE.

When you validate at the entry to Adelaide, Noarlunga or Salisbury stations as the start of your trip (i.e. not a transfer within the two hour window) then it is a "full" validation which deducts the balance and starts the two hours.

If you validate to exit a station and the previous validation was not on a train or was on a train but more than a certain time before the exit validation (varies according to the line) then you will be charged by the exit validation rather than the card being rejected.
justapassenger
You are wrong on that the reader that works the gates only checks if the metro card is valid nothing else, it it is valid then the gate will be opened. You do not valdate your card at any gate, this is a urban myth and has been explained for a long time that this is not so. I have a Seniors card and before that a standard metro card and I have never ever had the gates validate my ticket just getting in. Your 2 hours start only from validating your ticket on board a vehicle.

Here you go straight from the terms and conditions of the Metro Card from the Adelaide Metro web site, check it out for yourself if you do not believe me.

1.7. Adelaide Metro will deduct a fare from the metroCARD is tapped and validated at the start of each journey on an Adelaide Metro service. The metroCARD can be used to transfer within the two hour period after the metroCARD is first validated at no extra charge. This excludes Seniors Cards validated during the free travel period and then outside of the free period as well as 2-Section metroCARDs

My bolding and underlining by the way. but your journey does not start until you are aboard a vehicle and have validated your ticket on board. Then and only then does the 2 hour fare start.

There is nothing in the terms and conditions that state you are charged a fee to go through a gate to gain access to a platform though.

Going in it does not valdate it at all, it just checks it is valid but in the example given in the bottom of your post it might deduct a fee of some sort if you got on the train say at Adelaide and was mere minutes before the trip on the card was due to expire and you completed the trip without revalidating your card which is not necessary under the current rules and regulations for a Metro card, but that could be challenged actually as it is  simply revenue raising for no reason at all, it is not what should be tolerated though as you are literally being fined for something that you have not done.
  kipioneer Chief Commissioner

Location: Aberfoyle Park
DJPeters
Your Metro card only valdates on trains , trams and buses, going through a gate anywhere that you have to use the Metrocard does not validate it is simply reads your card to ascertain that you have validated it on the train or some other form of PT and that the card is valid.
This is FALSE.

When you validate at the entry to Adelaide, Noarlunga or Salisbury stations as the start of your trip (i.e. not a transfer within the two hour window) then it is a "full" validation which deducts the balance and starts the two hours.

If you validate to exit a station and the previous validation was not on a train or was on a train but more than a certain time before the exit validation (varies according to the line) then you will be charged by the exit validation rather than the card being rejected.
justapassenger
You are wrong on that the reader that works the gates only checks if the metro card is valid nothing else, it it is valid then the gate will be opened. You do not valdate your card at any gate, this is a urban myth and has been explained for a long time that this is not so. I have a Seniors card and before that a standard metro card and I have never ever had the gates validate my ticket just getting in. Your 2 hours start only from validating your ticket on board a vehicle.

Here you go straight from the terms and conditions of the Metro Card from the Adelaide Metro web site, check it out for yourself if you do not believe me.

1.7. Adelaide Metro will deduct a fare from the metroCARD is tapped and validated at the start of each journey on an Adelaide Metro service. The metroCARD can be used to transfer within the two hour period after the metroCARD is first validated at no extra charge. This excludes Seniors Cards validated during the free travel period and then outside of the free period as well as 2-Section metroCARDs

My bolding and underlining by the way. but your journey does not start until you are aboard a vehicle and have validated your ticket on board. Then and only then does the 2 hour fare start.

There is nothing in the terms and conditions that state you are charged a fee to go through a gate to gain access to a platform though.

Going in it does not valdate it at all, it just checks it is valid but in the example given in the bottom of your post it might deduct a fee of some sort if you got on the train say at Adelaide and was mere minutes before the trip on the card was due to expire and you completed the trip without revalidating your card which is not necessary under the current rules and regulations for a Metro card, but that could be challenged actually as it is  simply revenue raising for no reason at all, it is not what should be tolerated though as you are literally being fined for something that you have not done.

Justapassenger is right: consider this metroticket history:


Take the journey on 21st September 2017:   I caught the Tonsley train into Adelaide during the free for seniors period, attnded a seminar, then caught the train back: the ticket validated at the gates at 16:07 and deducted the fare then transfered to the train when I boarded it 2 minutes later.    The train left at 16:12 so I potentially lost 5 minutes Smile

A journey the other way in the paid period for seniors the ticket validated at Tonsley and deducted the fare, then transfered at the gate, and then to a 172 bus in North Terrace for a trip to Hutt Street.

So the ticket is validated and the appropriate fare deducted at the gate on the way in if it has not previously been validated.
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

I have put it to the test a number of different ways, and positively confirmed that the validators at the gates operate as proper validators in all cases other than when getting off an inbound train.

One was to validate at the gate and then go to a vending machine to recharge the card before validating the transfer onto the train. The balance on the vending machine screen confirmed that it had already been charged.

Another was to validate at the gate for both me and my bike (I have an additional concession metrocard for the rare times I take my bike on during the paid peak periods) but on the train only for my card. A little naughty, but of no great consequence because fares were deducted from both my card and the bike card despite the bike card only being validated at the gate.

A third method of verifying it happened accidentally. I was running late for a train after watching a state cricket match at Adelaide Oval on the weekend (hourly trains) and validated at the gate just in time to see the train get waved off, then asked the attendant at the wide gate if I needed to validate again to exit the paid platform area. She said there was no need (she had seen me enter and then stop) and I therefore did not validate again anywhere that day (I walked back to the Oval and got a lift home with a mate who was working at the match) but still got charged the princely sum of $0.91 for my entry to the paid platform area.

There is nothing in the terms and conditions that state you are charged a fee to go through a gate to gain access to a platform though.
DJPeters
That's because it is unnecessary.

Legislation authorises the paid platform areas at certain stations, there is no need for redundant text in the Metrocard Conditions of Use.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
I have (what I think) is news - driving down Regency Rd at Dudley Park (the overpass) today I saw a large temporary depot had been constructed with lots of construction equipment in it. Electrification works?
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

Between the railway and Churchill Road? That's a residential development.
  Halo Chief Train Controller

I can also assure you that the barriers can and do charge you.... And I complained to them about it.

I had caught a bus from nth Adelaide to the city at 3pm
Caught a train to Gawler at 3.20pm.
Alighted at Elizabeth
Re-boarded at 4.30pm TRANSFER
When I arrived at Adelaide the barriers clearly showed FARE, and the $$price.

The rules used to clearly say that you can finish your journey provided you validate as you board within 2 hours. Yet I was charged a full peak fare to receive absolutely no service at all. And I bet there are plenty more people too.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Between the railway and Churchill Road? That's a residential development.
justapassenger
No, on the Dudley Park side of the line, not the new housing estate side. Looked like a temporary depot being constructed with fencing etc. and there appeared to be lots of cherry picker type machinery there.
  62430 Chief Train Controller

Location: Metro Adelaide
The depot at Islington is part of the site with offices that Fulton Hogan took over a year or two ago. They are involved in a range of construction and maintenance activities.

According to DPTI website https://www.infrastructure.sa.gov.au/public_transport_projects/gawler_rail_electrification_project design work on the electrification is under way and construction will start 3rd Quarter of 2018.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
They also say new communication cables and signalling - I wonder if there will be shut-downs for that. I'm guessing "yes".
  ARG706 Chief Commissioner

Location: SA
I can also assure you that the barriers can and do charge you.... And I complained to them about it.

I had caught a bus from nth Adelaide to the city at 3pm
Caught a train to Gawler at 3.20pm.
Alighted at Elizabeth
Re-boarded at 4.30pm TRANSFER
When I arrived at Adelaide the barriers clearly showed FARE, and the $$price.

The rules used to clearly say that you can finish your journey provided you validate as you board within 2 hours. Yet I was charged a full peak fare to receive absolutely no service at all. And I bet there are plenty more people too.
"Halo"



Exactly as I suspected. But aren't you aware that with the government and DPTI, dollars come before anything? Us passengers are just Lemmings to them!

I suspect that next to no DPTI workers use trains every day to commute, and hence don't see for themselves how annoying the bombardment of announcements becomes. As mentioned, suburban train travel used to be relaxing. Now it's an ordeal. It's the same with trams now.

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