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  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
The gates CAN and DO charge you, as usual, Mr Peters is talking about things he doesn't know.

If the gate wrongly charges you on a transfer, then you can contact DPTI and they will reverse the charge.

I made an effort to get home at a decent time one night when I was out drinking, actually got to the barrier, swiped my card and arrived at the platform to see the train departing in the distance. I left the platform, this transfer was shown on my card, returned to the bar and continued drinking until a less sensible time and got an Uber.

Three days later when I realised I had been charged to enter the platform without making a service, I contacted DPTI and they refunded the validation charge for me.

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  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

Three days later when I realised I had been charged to enter the platform without making a service, I contacted DPTI and they refunded the validation charge for me.
Aaron
I was even advised of this option by the attendant at the wide gate on the time I exited after seeing my train leave, but I simply couldn't be bothered chasing it when the fares are so cheap on a Sunday.
  DJPeters Assistant Commissioner

I have never been charged for entry to the platform ever, even when I had a straight Concession Metro Card and used to check on it, now I have a seniors card and do not need to check it as I very rarely these days use it out of the free travel area.  Also the ticket system has various other uses besides simply validating your ticket so head counts on PT runs can be done by using the ticket system and that would also apply to gates I imagine at stations. But being charged has never happened to me simply to enter or exit the gate at Adelaide anyway.

Now I dont have to worry as I travel free when I want to, so I don't need to worry about it.
  kipioneer Chief Commissioner

Location: Aberfoyle Park
I have never been charged for entry to the platform ever, even when I had a straight Concession Metro Card and used to check on it, now I have a seniors card and do not need to check it as I very rarely these days use it out of the free travel area.  Also the ticket system has various other uses besides simply validating your ticket so head counts on PT runs can be done by using the ticket system and that would also apply to gates I imagine at stations. But being charged has never happened to me simply to enter or exit the gate at Adelaide anyway.

Now I dont have to worry as I travel free when I want to, so I don't need to worry about it.
DJPeters
Have a look at the example I gave: it clearly shows the charge being applied at the gate.   Mine is a Seniors Card which appears never to register in  the free period unless it is a transfer from another charged service in which case there is no further charge.

Don't rely on the gates or the train - look at the card history which is available online.
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

With the level of attention demonstrated here, I would hope that David is not driving and getting the most out of his free travel.

Speaking of the free travel for seniors - I wonder how long before it will be before the Libs wind it back? They already appear to have quietly cancelled the increased night/weekend services.
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
David, I have just checked with a friend of mine that works at DPTI specifically in the metrocard section. There explanation is simply that you don’t know what you’re talking about. They said the platform gates HAVE ALWAYS been the validation point for journeys commencing from those platforms. Right from day one journeys originating from Adelaide have been validated at the gate.

Just because you don’t notice something happen does not mean it doesn’t happen.
  normangerman Junior Train Controller

They already appear to have quietly cancelled the increased night/weekend services.
justapassenger
Are you sure about that? I hope that's not the case Sad
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

They already appear to have quietly cancelled the increased night/weekend services.
justapassenger
Are you sure about that? I hope that's not the case Sad
normangerman
I'm not sure, I'm just saying what it looks like.

The previous information I heard was that they would start in April. There were a handful of changes that came in last week (fees for new Metrocards scrapped, 14 day passes, 28 day pass price drop) which were announced seven weeks in advance, but there is still not a peep in public about the new train timetables.

I called last week to ask when the new train timetables will be released, no information was available. Nothing on any DPTI websites or social media feeds either.

I hope I'm wrong too, but the silence is deafening.
  kipioneer Chief Commissioner

Location: Aberfoyle Park
With the level of attention demonstrated here, I would hope that David is not driving and getting the most out of his free travel.

Speaking of the free travel for seniors - I wonder how long before it will be before the Libs wind it back? They already appear to have quietly cancelled the increased night/weekend services.
justapassenger
And alienate a lot of their voter base?
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

This is the SA Liberals we are talking about…
  patsstuffnow Junior Train Controller

Does anybody know how many metrocards are issued ( previously sold) per year?

I personally have owned about ten as my international guests keep forgetting to leave them behind.

I ask because the dropping of the five dollar fee raises a few questions.

If it is an indication from the Liberals that they want to make SA more affordable it is a small but nice gesture.

Or if it was a final act by the labour party then it could be interpreted as a cynical move.
Assume 10,000 cards per year.

Was this a move by Labour to cost the libs 50,000 dollars a year from a budget bottom line that is going to be tough.
And if they issue 100,000 cards you add another zero to the loss of revenue.
It could also have been a cynical pointscoring exercise as if the Libs had stopped the move the labour could have drawn attention to the money grabbing libs.

Just wonder how many other little surprises will surface?
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

If it is an indication from the Liberals that they want to make SA more affordable it is a small but nice gesture.

Or if it was a final act by the labour party then it could be interpreted as a cynical move.
patsstuffnow
It was announced in February, before the government entered caretaker mode.

The cost of production per card shouldn't be any more than 35¢ or so now that smartcard technology is so ubiquitous.

I imagine that the cost of produce each card would be easily recovered from unused balances.
  patsstuffnow Junior Train Controller

I had not seen it then as I could not use the train system at the time.

I have spoken with a couple of people and they will now get some cards to give to their guests. They will load them with five dollars or so to get the person to the city where they can load them up to use during their stay.


So does anybody have a better theory about why the five dollar charge was dropped?
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

I had not seen it then as I could not use the train system at the time.
patsstuffnow
I have no idea if there were posters on trains, I first saw it on the DPTI Facebook page (no Facebook login needed to view, good to keep an eye on for news)

I have spoken with a couple of people and they will now get some cards to give to their guests. They will load them with five dollars or so to get the person to the city where they can load them up to use during their stay.
patsstuffnow
$5 is the minimum purchase.

This is how most systems with stored value smartcard ticketing around the world work, they have a minimum initial purchase which includes the 35¢ or so it costs to produce the card. In Perth, for example, you purchase the smartcard for $10 and get a $10 starting balance.

So does anybody have a better theory about why the five dollar charge was dropped?
patsstuffnow
I can think of four:

- the use of public transport saves the government money, removing an arbitrary barrier (making people pay for the privilege of being allowed to pay their fare) is a simple way to make it easier for people to save the government money

- streamlining of retail (simpler systems = lower costs)

- bringing SA into line with other systems

- next step in the phasing out of paper tickets
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Dropping the initial charge for a new card is silly. It exposes the government to a reasonable risk of easy fraud. I am going to have a think about whether I will post the exact method of action here - but I can confirm that there is a ‘legal’ method of fraud that works.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Dropping the initial charge for a new card is silly. It exposes the government to a reasonable risk of easy fraud. I am going to have a think about whether I will post the exact method of action here - but I can confirm that there is a ‘legal’ method of fraud that works.
Aaron
Go into a negative balance then just get another one? That was a problem in Sydney with Opel cards.
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Close Don, but the SA cards don’t let you go into negative balance as such, but it’s along that line.
  62430 Chief Train Controller

Location: Metro Adelaide
They already appear to have quietly cancelled the increased night/weekend services.
Are you sure about that? I hope that's not the case Sad
I'm not sure, I'm just saying what it looks like.

The previous information I heard was that they would start in April. There were a handful of changes that came in last week (fees for new Metrocards scrapped, 14 day passes, 28 day pass price drop) which were announced seven weeks in advance, but there is still not a peep in public about the new train timetables.

I called last week to ask when the new train timetables will be released, no information was available. Nothing on any DPTI websites or social media feeds either.

I hope I'm wrong too, but the silence is deafening.
justapassenger
Increased evening/weekend services announced starting April 22. Also peak service changes on OH and Seaford line.

https://www.adelaidemetro.com.au/Announcements/Planned-Disruptions/More-train-services-more-often-from-22-April
  kipioneer Chief Commissioner

Location: Aberfoyle Park
Increased evening/weekend services announced starting April 22. Also peak service changes on OH and Seaford line.

https://www.adelaidemetro.com.au/Announcements/Planned-Disruptions/More-train-services-more-often-from-22-April
62430
Minister Knowl was on the wireless this morning - not quite claiming credit for it, but trumpeting it as an improvement.
  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

The new timetables are most interesting.

At last they have reinstated the turn-back at Glanville.

Still no turn-back at Brighton.

Journey times have improved slightly.

the 30 minute frequency after the evening peak will make those services much more attractive for persons going to functions in or near the CBD.

IMHO a good outcome.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Increased evening/weekend services announced starting April 22. Also peak service changes on OH and Seaford line.

https://www.adelaidemetro.com.au/Announcements/Planned-Disruptions/More-train-services-more-often-from-22-April
Minister Knowl was on the wireless this morning - not quite claiming credit for it, but trumpeting it as an improvement.
kipioneer
I'll be disappointed but not surprised if the improvements suddenly stop under the Liberals.

Catching a train home after hours or on weekends in Adelaide used to be a nightmare, the improvements mean trains finally get to half hour frequencies even on weekend evenings. In fact I notice some lines are timetabled to have trains half-hourly until 1am, that's really impressive compared to how it used to be.

Drove past the works site for Fulton Hogan just off Regency Rd again the other day and there's a lot of cable rolls being delivered - assuming this is for the electrification signalling or perhaps the catenary/overhead wires.
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

Drove past the works site for Fulton Hogan just off Regency Rd again the other day and there's a lot of cable rolls being delivered - assuming this is for the electrification signalling or perhaps the catenary/overhead wires.
don_dunstan
The electrification contract was awarded to Lendlease with main construction work due to start in the third quarter.

Fulton Hogan's site at Dudley Park is for NBN rollout.
  Tonsley213 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Everywhere except South Kensington
Still hard to believe that there are no weekend services for Tonsley... honestly seem so silly. What was the point of that park and ride?
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

On a non-timetable issue, the SA Planning Commission documents for the Oaklands grade separation are now online.
Part 1
Part 2

Most interesting is the shifting of the new station south (in the current car park) and building it alongside the present station rather than the previous planning study's preferred option of building it in more or less the same location as the present station and setting up temporary tracks to the north of the new trench. The land in the northern part of the corridor will be sold off to developers, and car parking will be pushed away from the station.

The site compound occupying the reserve behind the church and straddling Diagonal Way will start to be set up from next Monday.

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A couple of thoughts on the new timetables:

- I like the introduction of the three Noarlunga starters in the AM, good to see some thinking out of the box and good to see they were smart enough to not terminate trains at Noarlunga in the PM.
- The sneaky inclusion of the extra peak Tonsley trains will be well appreciated.
- The Belair timetable looks a little more fragile courtesy of having extra Millswood stops added.
- Adelaide Oval pre-match train timetables have not yet been updated, so it will remain to be seen whether Belair and Grange will still get extra pre-match trains on top of the new timetable or just extra cars on the normal weekend timetable.

At last they have reinstated the turn-back at Glanville.
"steam4ian"
I wonder if this is a temporary move until Port Dock opens, or whether the Port Dock trains will replace Osborne trains?

Can anyone elaborate on peak loadings from the stops on the Le Fevre Peninsula?

Still no turn-back at Brighton.
"steam4ian"
All those services were extended to Seaford a few years ago, and the improved frequency they provide to the outer half of the route seems to be appreciated enough that they won't be cut back.

Still hard to believe that there are no weekend services for Tonsley... honestly seem so silly. What was the point of that park and ride?
"Tonsley213"
Relieving congestion when there is actually congestion to relieve, i.e. on weekdays and when there are big events on in the city?

There was plenty of space on the Tonsley train I caught after an AFL match last year, not a good case for adding scheduled weekend services.

I guess that regular weekend services will come if Flinders Link gets built (and if it gets built to the ALP plan) as the extension plan included an intention for the park and ride to serve the hospital with Tonsley-Flinders travel being free.

I kind of hope that the ALP plan for Flinders Link gets scrapped though, as the station right out near Main South Road will be hundreds of metres away from the bulk of the hospital precinct (>400m from main entrance, >600m from the new wing with the facilities relocated from the Repat) and nowhere near anything related to Flinders University. A far better replacement would be a new rail terminus at the Tonsley Park and Ride with a people mover serving 7 stops - Main Assembly Building, Tonsley Village, new Tonsley rail station, Main South Road for bus connections, FMC, Uni Sciences, Uni Plaza.
  patsstuffnow Junior Train Controller

Had a quick look at the new timetables.
Gawler line
less services stopping at North Adelaide, Ovingham, Dudley Park,
Still one hour between services on weekends for those stations.

Grange line
Still one hour services on weekends.
Weekdays still just 30 minute services even in peak.

A slightly earlier departure from Grange means I can get to my weekly appointment at Glanville thirty minutes faster.

Will check up on my return trip later that night. May make the trip better.

All trains seem to stay at Grange for 12 minutes now instead of 13.
The delay compounder is still in place at Holdens.

Trains heading for Grange still have to wait at Holdens for the inbound service to clear the single line.
A late running up train therefore compounds to a delay for the down train.
A duplication at Port road would allow both trains to be schedule to cross there which would reduce by 50% the stoppage time for traffic on Port Road.

Or if the stationary time at Grange was reduced from 12 minutes to say five you could introduce a twenty minute service in the peak times instead of 30 minutes.

As the current fleet seems to be well utilised I wonder what will be providing these extra services.
Will the NRM be renting out the redhen and jumbo sets?

Last weekend I was held up at Alberton by a three car set full with port fans. It seems like it was at Alberton for a long time. When it finally passed it was jam packed, so obviously delayed to jam in extra passengers. That particular service was only three cars. WHY????  A Saturday one hour before game start so available railcars. Why not four or five cars?
Surely after several years of new services for Adelaide oval games passenger counts would tell them how many cars to run.

Friday the 13th sees another Friday night game.
Previous days have seen trains packed to the rafters. Since the departure of the jumbos the system is placed under immense strain taking people home from the city, ;ate night shopping and footy fans in the other direction.

Once the new services are in place will there be enough rollingstock to provide the services or will there be reduced consists running more often?
I am not confident that the services will work well.

Is this visionary, or are we shuffling the deckchairs on the Titanic again?

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