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  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
There's a story behind the paywall of the Agoniser tonight saying that the new state government has immediately stumped up funding for the Regency Rd-Pym Street section of the South Road project.

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  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
There's a story behind the paywall of the Agoniser tonight saying that the new state government has immediately stumped up funding for the Regency Rd-Pym Street section of the South Road project.
don_dunstan
Yes $354m jointly funded by State and Federal Govs fr the section between the Superway and the T2T project.

Wording appears to indicate an overpass at the Regency road junction.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
There's a story behind the paywall of the Agoniser tonight saying that the new state government has immediately stumped up funding for the Regency Rd-Pym Street section of the South Road project.
Yes $354m jointly funded by State and Federal Govs fr the section between the Superway and the T2T project.

Wording appears to indicate an overpass at the Regency road junction.
Pressman
There's a press release on the ABC website indicating the same thing - I thought it was supposed to dive under Regency Road? It would make more sense if it did.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjuipX7r-PaAhWMx7wKHcnRBHMQFjACegQIABAz&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.infrastructure.sa.gov.au%2Fnsc%2Fregency_road_to_pym_street&usg=AOvVaw259oG_biZaNG3uRHBsjGfb

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sar602
Thanks- Just trying to work out from the animations what properties will be resumed. I'm guessing it will be the houses along the eastern side of the current South Road alignment rather than the warehouses/businesses on the western side.
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
Heard a 'news item' on the radio today, seems a Labour party polly was having a go at Steven Marshall because the announced plan is funded 50/50 with the feds.
The claim is that most of the previous work on this corridor has seen the feds contribute a lot more than a 50% share!
So the state has been duded out of quite a few bucks. Shocked
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Heard a 'news item' on the radio today, seems a Labour party polly was having a go at Steven Marshall because the announced plan is funded 50/50 with the feds.
The claim is that most of the previous work on this corridor has seen the feds contribute a lot more than a 50% share!
So the state has been duded out of quite a few bucks. Shocked
Pressman
Steve Marshall's "budget savings" poured into roads. Oh well, it's the LNP formula around the nation why wouldn't we expect that here.
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

I thought it was supposed to dive under Regency Road? It would make more sense if it did.
don_dunstan
The extension of the South Road Superway to pass over Regency Road makes sense to me.

For a route which is designed for freight, it makes sense to go with the option which can provide the gentler gradients. It will be significantly cheaper too, since a fair length of it can be at surface level.

It's a very poor result for the people of Dudley Park. They will lose the most direct connection to a major shopping centre once Pym St is severed, including the 230/232 bus routes which go to Arndale. Surely just a coincidence that their local MP is the Opposition Leader?
  patsstuffnow Junior Train Controller

This announcement seems to introduce some changes to policy.

Looking at the link provided it seems to be a more practical layout on the website.
I read it and got quite a bit of information in the first read.

As a former transport operator Pym Street is always in need of change.
The Churchill road entrance/ exit  is a nightmare with a tight clearance, a high voltage carrying Stobie pole, and strange median arrangement .

When the factory was closed a change to the road should have been made, but instead a ticky tacky high rise was stacked into the corner.
The South Road entrance has a very low load limit to stop traffic entering from South Road.

Not exactly the best way to assist industries in the area to receive or despatch goods.

The new plan will restrict access from the South.

As a former resident of the area there will need to be some changes to the 230 / 232 bus services.
Possibly outbound will need to go to Churchill Road/ Regency Road. So some Devon Park residents will need to walk further to access transport. ( possibly removing the express trains passing Ovingham, Dudley Park etc would help a little) .

The city bound services could stay on Regency Road to South Road and turn into Pym Street, or a service could run down Days road to Torrens road.
Or a truly worthwhile service could be to split the 230 / 232 to each of those alternatives.

On a practical note, Sunnybrae Farm ( just behind Coopers Brewery ) was the hub of Adelaides sewerage system as I understand it is the lowest point of land in Adelaide . A very high water table could be a good practical reason for  elevating the road.
The sewerage main near the entrance to Islington freight terminal was the reason for that unusual bridge.

It appears that land will be resumed both sides of South road as the shops closer to Pym Street are missing on the elevations.
( which makes the signage on the currently empty shop quite fitting as a gravestone for the previous administration) This shop is undergoing renovation !!!!
I will miss the fish and chips from Barney's.
A certain assistant police commissioner will be happy with the closure of three brothels.

On my last trip to Melbourne coming off the Great Ocean Road it was interesting to see how the expressway and non stop roads were continuous.
Then come back to Adelaide.
Gawler to Port Wakefield road non stop
Port Wakefield road to Mawson lakes , lots of traffic lights ( completely uncoordinated)
Non stop to the port or Regency Park, Then Regency Road, Pym street.
Then narrowing at The torrens bridge, back to six lanes, back to four lanes with more uncoordinated traffic lights.

Completion of the road under construction and the eastern Port Wakefield road will be enhanced by this project.

And out of interest I am wondering when T2T will actually be finished.
Went along South Road from Henley Beach Road to Grand Junction Road recently. Will the Bridge over the Torrens be widened as we go from four lanes to six, back to four, up to 8 lanes , back to four, then back to six on the over way.
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

Extending the eastern side of the South Road bridge over the Torrens to add an extra southbound lane is part of the project, and work on it is well advanced.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
The Agoniser is reporting that the Gawler electrification will be completed all the way to Gawler thanks to Malcolm's cash splash... I guess we'll have to wait until tomorrow night to see if that's the case.
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
The Agoniser is reporting that the Gawler electrification will be completed all the way to Gawler thanks to Malcolm's cash splash... I guess we'll have to wait until tomorrow night to see if that's the case.
don_dunstan
And bucket loads of $$$ for more South Road works
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

If Salisbury-Gawler does get an offer of federal funding as has been speculated, there is of course the problem of whether the state government will actually go through with it in a timely manner or let the funding expire like the old ALP government did.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
If Salisbury-Gawler does get an offer of federal funding as has been speculated, there is of course the problem of whether the state government will actually go through with it in a timely manner or let the funding expire like the old ALP government did.
justapassenger
Wasn't it also Julia Gillard's partial fault for withdrawing initial federal funding to put into the Queensland floods in 2011-

Anyway, it would be good to see the thing done all at once rather than in sections.
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

If Salisbury-Gawler does get an offer of federal funding as has been speculated, there is of course the problem of whether the state government will actually go through with it in a timely manner or let the funding expire like the old ALP government did.
Wasn't it also Julia Gillard's partial fault for withdrawing initial federal funding to put into the Queensland floods in 2011-
don_dunstan
100% the fault of Rann and Conlon.

If they were getting on with the job rather than sitting on the federal funds for a couple of years and talking about which other pet projects they could divert the federal funds towards, the Gillard government would not have had the convenient opportunity to revoke the funding which was probably never going to be used for its intended purpose. The feds would have found the money from somewhere else, or told the Queensland state government to borrow it and pay it back themselves.

If you give your kid some money to head down to the shops for some milk and eggs but they announce their intention to instead spend your money at Maccas, wouldn't you also take your money back from them?
  patsstuffnow Junior Train Controller

Today there has been a continuation of the Edwardstown discussion.
Anew Bunnings to replace the Bridgestone factory.

The plan is for an 8 m setback to allow for future widening of South Road. OK plan.
But the entrance foyer will only be 3 metres setback.

Most Bunnings I have ever seen have massive car parks out the front.

How much parking will there be in a 3metre setback when they widen South Road.
Apparently transport and infrastructure approved this back at Christmas time.

Seems like we are using scale traffic flows to fit the available space.
If parking is north or south of the store  then how will traffic enter and leave the site,  this need traffic lights to head in and out of the site, with extra lanes for turning traffic? Or just make the poor traffic flow there worse. ??????????

Or do we let Bunnings expand and close down everything on the Eastern side?

And that includes a significant power substation?

The existing Castle Plaza building is a lot more than 8metres back, would it make sense to you to align the old and new to allow a straight line of traffic?
  62430 Chief Train Controller

Location: Metro Adelaide
Wasn't it also Julia Gillard's partial fault for withdrawing initial federal funding to put into the Queensland floods in 2011-
don_dunstan
100% the fault of Rann and Conlon.

If they were getting on with the job rather than sitting on the federal funds for a couple of years and talking about which other pet projects they could divert the federal funds towards, the Gillard government would not have had the convenient opportunity to revoke the funding which was probably never going to be used for its intended purpose. The feds would have found the money from somewhere else, or told the Queensland state government to borrow it and pay it back themselves.

If you give your kid some money to head down to the shops for some milk and eggs but they announce their intention to instead spend your money at Maccas, wouldn't you also take your money back from them?
justapassenger
If I recall correctly the funding withdrawn on account of the Queensland floods in 2011 was for the O-Bahn City Extension.  The Gawler Electrification funding was withdrawn by the Abbott government in 2013 after the SA Government deferral of the project.
  kipioneer Chief Commissioner

Location: Aberfoyle Park
It doesn't really matter which side of South Road is the primary target for expansion for the very many industrial and commercial buildings including 2 hotels abutting the existing road on both sides and close together, various car yards, sundry shopping outlets and so on will make land acquisition extremely expensive
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Today there has been a continuation of the Edwardstown discussion.
Anew Bunnings to replace the Bridgestone factory.

The plan is for an 8 m setback to allow for future widening of South Road. OK plan.
But the entrance foyer will only be 3 metres setback.
patsstuffnow
Was it Bridgestone - I thought that was at Salisbury and it was Toyoda Godsei at South Road? You have to wonder if the Bunnings era is going to end up being a sedimentary layer in the rock. "Car manufacturing" followed by "Mass consumerism" followed by...

With regards to the South Road project overall there's a lot of money being put aside for future land acquisitions but I'm not sure if they know exactly what they're doing yet in many sections. Didn't they buy up land during the Playford era only to sell it all off under Dunstan or Hall?
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

Was it Bridgestone - I thought that was at Salisbury and it was Toyoda Godsei at South Road?
don_dunstan
Both answers are correct to a certain degree.

Edwardstown was:
1939-1970: South Australian Rubber Mills
1970-1981: Uniroyal
1981-1996: Bridgestone Australia
1996-2007: Bridgestone TG Australia (joint owned by Bridgestone Corporation and Toyoda Gosei)
2007-2015: Toyoda Gosei Australia (demerger of Bridgestone TG Australia into separate tyre and auto component businesses)

The signage on the outside of the building was only changed to Toyoda Gosei after the Bridgestone tyre factory at Salisbury closed in 2011, so it's fair enough for people to remember what it was for 30 years rather than what it was for the last couple of years.
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me

A new Bunnings


Seems like we are using scale traffic flows to fit the available space.
If parking is north or south of the store  then how will traffic enter and leave the site,  this need traffic lights to head in and out of the site, with extra lanes for turning traffic? Or just make the poor traffic flow there worse. ??????????
patsstuffnow
If it's anything like the pathetic Car Park Entry/Exit planning at Bunnings/Hardly Normal at Woodville, it'll be a similar dog's breakfast!
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
If it's anything like the pathetic Car Park Entry/Exit planning at Bunnings/Hardly Normal at Woodville, it'll be a similar dog's breakfast!
Pressman
What is it about Adelaide and badly-designed car-parks! I don't ever go to that Bunnings because trying to exit via Cheltenham Road is a nightmare; equally bad is the Churchill Road Centre with a carpark only three years old but somehow it still seems to be a nightmare to get in and out of.

Although not as bad as the car-park at Greenacres Shopping Centre with a massive bloody high Kv stobie pole right in the middle of it.
...after the Bridgestone tyre factory at Salisbury closed in 2011...
justapassenger
I suspected there was probably a name/site change explanation behind the demolished factory at Edwardstown. Shame because with Hills long gone there's bugger all trace of the area's industrial heritage.

Incidentally I believe Bridgestone stopped making tyres in Australia much earlier than 2011 because I remember buying tyres in the mid-2000's and being told by the sales bloke that there was no such thing as Aussie made any longer.
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

...after the Bridgestone tyre factory at Salisbury closed in 2011...
I suspected there was probably a name/site change explanation behind the demolished factory at Edwardstown.
don_dunstan
The cause was the decline of the Australian car industry. Toyoda Gosei closed the factory on the Melrose Park side of South Road when Mitsubishi stopped production.

Incidentally I believe Bridgestone stopped making tyres in Australia much earlier than 2011 …
don_dunstan
I've checked again and it was April 2010 that they made their last tyres - not 2011 but certainly not in the previous decade.

The Salisbury plant had an excellent reputation for quality and was kept right up to date with modern tech right to the end. Bridgestone took all the kit away to improve the quality provided by plants located in lower wage countries.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Is there any news about what has been approved for SA and other states - other than the South Road news already discussed.
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

So far as I can tell from documents on budget.gov.au/2018-19 there is the following new (i.e. added since MYEFO) infrastructure funding for SA:

$1.4B for North-South Corridor including $177M for Regency-Pym
$220M for Stage 2 of the Gawler line electrification (state budget to include $242.5M, total includes 15x 3 car EMUs)
$160M for duplication of the Joy Baluch Bridge (the bridge linking Port Augusta and Port Augusta West)

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