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  sr1180 Locomotive Fireman

Preparation work starting for Oaklands.

https://dpti.sa.gov.au/news?a=444119

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  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
So far as I can tell from documents on budget.gov.au/2018-19 there is the following new (i.e. added since MYEFO) infrastructure funding for SA:

$1.4B for North-South Corridor including $177M for Regency-Pym
$220M for Stage 2 of the Gawler line electrification (state budget to include $242.5M, total includes 15x 3 car EMUs)
$160M for duplication of the Joy Baluch Bridge (the bridge linking Port Augusta and Port Augusta West)
justapassenger
ONLY $177m for Regency-Pym? I did hear that the Commonwealth were only funding 20% of that leg anyway.
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

ONLY $177m for Regency-Pym? I did hear that the Commonwealth were only funding 20% of that leg anyway.
don_dunstan
That's 50% of the $354M total, not 20%.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
ONLY $177m for Regency-Pym? I did hear that the Commonwealth were only funding 20% of that leg anyway.
That's 50% of the $354M total, not 20%.
justapassenger
Okay, maybe there was an announcement and I didn't hear about it. Immediately after the state election Steve Marshall pledged Regency-Pym to be commenced immediately but at the time the SA gov was to stump up 80% of the cost and the Commonwealth had only agreed to 20% (at that point). Malcolm must have given over the other 30% with the handing down of the budget.
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

You're mistaken.

The ABC story at the time of the announcement says 50-50, and also clarifies that it was a business case developed and submitted by the former ALP government last year.

The 80/20 reference was made by Shadow Treasurer Tom Koutsantonis, who was suggesting that Marshall should have pushed for the feds to pay 80%.
  patsstuffnow Junior Train Controller

When Labor announced the Pym street to Regency Road project several years ago ( for the first time) they said in the glossy brochures and adverts for a sausage sizzle that the project was funded from savings in land acquisition costs from the original T2T.

As the project has progressed it just seemed to fade into the background. Then disappeared when the signs appeared on the deli and shops on the west side of South Road opposite the soccer ground. ( This shop is being renovated. ) It was still there a week or two ago, probably disappeared now.

According to an interview with the fed infrastructure minister this afternoon , the project was the only one completed by the outgoing Labor administration, ( prior to Christmas)
The other projects mentioned have no completed business plans etc as it appears Mullighan and crew were asleep at the wheel.

I can remember the discussions about writing off the purchased pylons, etc for Salisbury to Gawler and even Blind Freddy can see the bases etc that have been installed.

But nobody seems able to find the plan and applications for the project this time around.

I see that it includes 15 x three car sets.  My understanding of services on the current line need forty railcars ??? ( not 100% sure) and my understanding of new electrification of services results in at least a fifty percent increase in patronage.
Peak services are already jam packed so with electrification I would suggest that maybe thirty new three car sets could be needed.
Or if planning for the future maybe there should be some four, five or six car sets.

With free travel for pensioners/ seniors offered now 24/7 surely somebody has planned for extra rollingstock for extra capacity. ( Hopefully?)

Is there a plan to actually allow an increase in public transport patronage, or is it only available on weekdays from 7 to 11pm?



This is beginning to sound like a repeat of a new hospital that was overcrowded and subject to ramping etc, and only having 60 extra beds in a design to last for fifty years.

Or has somebody discovered that we do not want extra people on trains because the newly installed passenger platform shelters are not fit for purpose, so we should keep people from using them.
You know the shelters that do not shelter you from sun, wind or rain???
  62430 Chief Train Controller

Location: Metro Adelaide
When Labor announced the Pym street to Regency Road project several years ago ( for the first time) they said in the glossy brochures and adverts for a sausage sizzle that the project was funded from savings in land acquisition costs from the original T2T.
patsstuffnow
Was it not the extension of the original T2T (River - Torrens Rd) to include Torrens -Pym that was met from cost savings in the present project?

With free travel for pensioners/ seniors offered now 24/7 surely somebody has planned for extra rollingstock for extra capacity. ( Hopefully?)
patsstuffnow
When did peak weekday (7-9am, 3-7pm) become free?

I see that it includes 15 x three car sets.  My understanding of services on the current line need forty railcars ??? ( not 100% sure) and my understanding of new electrification of services results in at least a fifty percent increase in patronage.
patsstuffnow
Current Gawler PM peak services require 13 sets (34 cars). In the pre-April only 31 cars were scheduled.  Remember that there are several spare electric sets in the original Seaford batch. So there is some scope for expansion of patronage.
  Cato56 Station Master

FYI, basically none of the infrastructure investments across the country that were touted in the Federal Budget on Tuesday have any funding commitments in the forward estimates shown in the Budget Papers.

So in other words, don't be surprised if all or a large portion of them are never actually funded. This includes Stage 2 of Gawler.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
You're mistaken.

The ABC story at the time of the announcement says 50-50, and also clarifies that it was a business case developed and submitted by the former ALP government last year.

The 80/20 reference was made by Shadow Treasurer Tom Koutsantonis, who was suggesting that Marshall should have pushed for the feds to pay 80%.
justapassenger
OH right, that's where I got that figure from. Did the Feds ever pay 80% on anything?
  normangerman Junior Train Controller

When Labor announced the Pym street to Regency Road project several years ago ( for the first time) they said in the glossy brochures and adverts for a sausage sizzle that the project was funded from savings in land acquisition costs from the original T2T.

As the project has progressed it just seemed to fade into the background. Then disappeared when the signs appeared on the deli and shops on the west side of South Road opposite the soccer ground. ( This shop is being renovated. ) It was still there a week or two ago, probably disappeared now.
patsstuffnow
You will find that the original plan was to have a lowered road between the Torrens River to just past the Outer Harbor Line bridge, going under Grange Road and Port Road. The scope for the trench was then first extended to the intersection of Torrens Road (under Hawker Street), and then for a second time under Torrens Road to Pym Street.

Regarding the 50/50 and 80/20 split, Darlington and Torrens to Torrens were 80% funded by the feds and 20% by the state. The new project is a 50/50 split, which prompted the calls that SA was getting a poor deal. However, most of the 20/80 split projects are only found in rural areas, including the Dukes Highway upgrade and the Joy Baluche bridge duplication.
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

It's not exactly a "goings on" just yet but not worthy of a thread in its own right, but a couple of weeks ago the City of Marion council meeting passed a motion in favour of writing to the Minister for Transport asking him to rename Oaklands station to become Marion, and rename Marion to become Westminster.

An amendment to change the Westminster part to 'Oaklands Estate' failed to get up.

The audio of the meeting's debate on the motion is available online from about 29:40 into the file. You'll note that Kris Hanna sounds rather pleased with himself when he introduces his motion (in defiance of the normal convention in SA councils) at the start, this is because the previous motion was also one of his and resulted in a technical discussion about whether the mayor is allowed to introduce a motion. It would seem that Hanna's autocratic side is making less effort to stay hidden after he got hammered by Corey Windbag at the state election
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
It's not exactly a "goings on" just yet but not worthy of a thread in its own right, but a couple of weeks ago the City of Marion council meeting passed a motion in favour of writing to the Minister for Transport asking him to rename Oaklands station to become Marion, and rename Marion to become Westminster.

An amendment to change the Westminster part to 'Oaklands Estate' failed to get up.

The audio of the meeting's debate on the motion is available online from about 29:40 into the file. You'll note that Kris Hanna sounds rather pleased with himself when he introduces his motion (in defiance of the normal convention in SA councils) at the start, this is because the previous motion was also one of his and resulted in a technical discussion about whether the mayor is allowed to introduce a motion. It would seem that Hanna's autocratic side is making less effort to stay hidden after he got hammered by Corey Windbag at the state election
justapassenger
So Kris Hanna wants to rename two stations correctly named for the suburbs in which they lie and serve, to a name for an incorrectly named shopping centre and a school?

Maybe he might be better off lobbying Westfield to correctly name their shopping centre, rather than lobbying DPTI to incorrectly label two stations.

No wonder Kris couldn't get elected to Parliament, if the names of railway stations is his primary concern.
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

One of the councillors did suggest that, but correctly identified that they would struggle to persuade  Westfield to do that.

If the council still thinks it is a real problem in a year's time (after the next round of council elections Hanna is ejected in this year's election, the best solution might be to transfer the part of Oaklands Park south of the railway to Marion and call the stations Marion West and Marion East.

The funniest thing about Hanna's election loss this year was that it only took a bloviating dunce like Windbag to beat him. Districts with that level of mediocrity are a perfect case for introducing a 'none of the above' box to ballot papers. If NOTA won the election, all the candidates would be banned from federal, state and local elections for four years (i.e. a full electoral cycle at each level, including disqualification from a current position) and a by-election conducted with fresh candidates.
  ARG706 Chief Commissioner

Location: SA
On an Adelaide bound train at the Eden Hills loop right now, and this consist has ended up waiting for not one but two consists to pass. Been sitting here for about 12-13 minutes now. I wonder what first time PT users would think about this?

All because of the gauge mess that Australia has boasted about for well over a century now.

If anyone's traveling from Blackwood or beyond to Adelaide, I'd suggesting allowing for 50 minutes of travel, even if it's the last inbound service for the night. TC will still find a way to delay them no matter what.
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

There isn't a thread for NOT goings on, so I'll post this here.

I went past the Oaklands Crossing site for the first time in a couple of weeks today.

I am pleased to report that the seven weeks since the site depot was set up has seen a breathtaking rate of progress on the work. A billboard has been taken down and two temporary fences have been erected.

One of those fences was new since I last went past a fortnight ago, good to see two solid weeks of hard work producing such rapid change.

At that time two weeks ago, a pair of blokes in crisp new hi-vis vests were inspecting a tree located right where the future track will be located to the south* of the present lines. The tree is still standing two weeks later I can only assume that they were artists preparing to paint a picture of the tree, maybe the same guys responsible for the Traffic Lights Masked By Bags sculpture which celebrates the unregulated primacy of the automobile at the Alawoona Ave entrance to the former Mitsubishi factory.

If the Oaklands project was being done by the Japanese, it would either be nearing completion after seven weeks or the project manager would have committed seppuku. Let's hope the pace upgrades from tectonic to glacial at some point in the near future.



* for those who have not been keeping up to date, the original design of the future tracks following the current alignment and service being maintained during construction using temporary tracks has since been revised to have the new tracks and station located to the south of the present one, with it joining the rest of the route using a S-bend on the eastern end and a tighter curve after the underpass on the western side.
  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

Justapax, While I enjoy your humour on the issue, tectonic to glacial, I do think you are being a little harsh at this stage.
I remind you of the project management adage, "PPP leads to PPP", P!ss poor planning leads to p!ss poor performance.

Hopefully work in the DPTI planning office is proceeding at a somewhat faster rate.

I would suggest that similar projects in Japan are not hampered by environmental, political  and fiscal constraints.

Ian
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
As the project has progressed it just seemed to fade into the background. Then disappeared when the signs appeared on the deli and shops on the west side of South Road opposite the soccer ground. ( This shop is being renovated. ) It was still there a week or two ago, probably disappeared now.
patsstuffnow
I drive by there all the time and that sign has been up there for at least a year or two. All the tenants (bar the vet) have moved out of that block in anticipation of it being bought and knocked over for the project - although I'm not sure if it will necessarily be requisitioned for the project given that its supposed to be down the other side now?
You know the shelters that do not shelter you from sun, wind or rain???
patsstuffnow
LOL - too right.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Justapax, While I enjoy your humour on the issue, tectonic to glacial, I do think you are being a little harsh at this stage.
I remind you of the project management adage, "PPP leads to PPP", P!ss poor planning leads to p!ss poor performance.
steam4ian
Hello Ian, nice to see you here... I like your interpretation of "PPP".

Even in Melbourne where they supposedly have level crossing removal down to a fine art it still takes a helluva long time - North Road at Ormond took two years from start to finish and there was at least six months that I recall of depot construction, earthworks and preparation before they even started to build.
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
I think justapax is being a bit harsh, they’ve had to create a new car park, unlike japan, not everyone who uses the station comes from an apparent block within walking distance. They have modified some trees, a week ago they were drilling many holes taking (I presume) soil/rock samples, today they were seemingly amending some energy infrastructure (why was the guy a top the cherry picker wearing a full face shield Ian? Whilst live, it looked like he was only relocating the regular street power to different insulators). There’s also been some trackside work at least along the down line, probably to do with signal moving I presume.

As for the lack of progress on the tree, I don’t know, but I do know there is a conflicted soul that lives in the flats to the north of the station. I have had her smeg to me more than once on the platform about how long it takes her to drive to marion (note she should NOT be allowed in control of a car, but apparently she is) and about the noise of the works - they must be doing something JAP! AND about the ‘budgies’ losing their homes when the trees go. I wouldn’t put it past her to lodge some sort of injunction to have the trees kept.

I found a solution, last week when I saw her I said ‘sorry I only speak French’ (in English) and so she apologised and moved on to embrighten some other waiting passenger’s day.
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Here’s another not going on - how’s the track maintenance on the eastern most down line through Mile End - Keswick, on a down service now and the ride quality is woeful to horrific. Don’t remember it being that bad last week or Monday.

Now we’ve just dumped the air at speed and ground to a halt under the Belair line.

This might be an eventful ride home...
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

What's the number of the EMU you're on? There's a major flaw with the ride of the first few A-City units that causes them to hunt quite violently on certain sections of track which other rolling stock handles without issue. I believe it was tuned out in the later units.

I rode that line on a Belair train (i.e. a 3100 class DEMU) which crossed over south of Adelaide Showground a couple of weeks ago and it wasn't bad.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
INCIDENTALLY does anyone know if the second generation of EMU's will be substantially different to the first - ie: 4100 or 5000 class. I was living in Melbourne at the time but I do remember substantial issues with the quality of the flooring and a few other technical issues with the first generation. They may decide on a completely updated design?
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

Most of those issues were eventually fixed, and thanks to the protracted delivery schedule the updates were able to be incorporated into the new build for the later units. A number of them still ride quite badly which would suggest that the issue there was too deep to be retrofitted, and a couple have not yet had the deafening air conditioning replaced with the quieter ones.

It's quite a number of years until the Federal money for Stage 2 of the Gawler line (the stage which includes the 15x 3 car EMUs) comes through so it is probably too early to confidently speculate. Bombardier is a company in deep trouble around the world which will probably have to start offloading non-core operations, so it's definitely too early to make plans for any future orders from their facility in Melbourne.

So long as the couplers are at the same height (coupler type/height is a customer specified option rather than a manufacturer's deal) allowing units of different types to recover each other in the event of failure, I see no reason that the same type needs to be ordered again. Regardless of Bombardier's difficulties, I would hope that the next order is opened up to competition with the specification demanding a more advanced product (e.g. lower weight, more use of aluminium and composites) and requiring that at least the interior fitout be done in SA.

A more hard-headed approach to the procurement must be taken this time around.
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
I should have known to take note of the car number, but didn’t think to... Especially since I have read of the early set oscillation before.
  Halo Chief Train Controller

The altered AC would simply be a change in fan speed. And even then it's still too loud! If the 3000 class can have effective silent AC, so should the newer 4000 class.

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