Jacana Station

 
  712M Chief Commissioner

Is there any reason why every time there is a planned bustitution on the Craigieburn line, replacement buses don't stop at Jacana? Instead they provide an additional shuttle bus running Glenroy - Jacana to a separate timetable, despite normal replacement buses running right past the station!

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  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Is there any reason why every time there is a planned bustitution on the Craigieburn line, replacement buses don't stop at Jacana? Instead they provide an additional shuttle bus running Glenroy - Jacana to a separate timetable, despite normal replacement buses running right past the station!
712M
Perhaps because the replacement busses to all except Jacana appear to run up/down Pascoe Vale (P V) Road ie west of the railway. There is nowhere on P V Road for these busses to stop at Jacana. I assume that the Jacana busses run on local roads east of the railway between Glenroy and Jacana.

Whilst talking bustitutions on this line the passenger directions on the Metro site for Oak Park are still reversed for passengers in both directions.
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
I agree with YM.

There is nowhere to safely stop a bus on Pascoe Vale Rd near Jacana Station, the bus stop for Jacana is on the other side of the railway on Electric St. If all bustitution services ran along Electric St to service Jacana Station that would add an extra un-necessary delay.
  stooge spark Train Controller

Adding to Gman's response, the deviation would waste time just to get a few passengers (typically none in most cases), remembering that Jacana is definitely not the busiest station, in fact IIRC it's the quietest on the Craigieburn line.

As well as this, even if it was possible to get a stop on Pascoe Vale Road it would be fairly useless and get even less passengers because there is no access to Jacana station from PVR.
  Matt81330 Beginner

Long time lurker, first time poster.  Jacana station is my home station - I live right up the street from it, so I can probably give a better idea as to why this is done.  Although Pascoe Vale Road does pass right by the station, there is no safe place to stop (as mentioned) like there is at Glenroy or Oak Park Stations - mainly because of the low visibility created by the bridge over the Ring Road and the ramps associated with it.  Furthermore, there is no direct access for pedestrians from PV Road to the station, only to Electric Street (Glenroy side) and Langton Street (Jacana side).  Both of these streets are relatively quiet, narrow residential streets which wouldn't be suited to having multiple buses travelling over them daily.  A detour via Hartingon/Electric/Gibson (or Widford) Streets between Glenroy and Broady would mean that buses could directly serve Jacana station (and quite honestly could be faster than PV road time-wise during peak hour), but there would be too many narrow close-calls between parked cars and tight turns for buses to be able to operate safely.  We have enough buses coming down Gibson Street serving Penola College already, and oftentimes they get stuck trying to safely make the turn out of the end of the street close to Jacana station.

It seems that the perception of Jacana here is that it's always dead, scary, and should be shut down due to low usage.  As a daily user, I will say that I've witnessed an exponential growth of usage over the last 3-4 years at the station, likely due to the rapid development of rental units in the area.  Oftentimes I find many more people getting on/off the train at Jacana than stations like Glenbervie and Oak Park, especially during peak hour.  Metro has been using Maxi Taxis to operate the shuttle to Glenroy, and while it works most times of the day, it's caused a bit of a backlog during peak hour some days, as they can only hold 8-10 people max, with no standing room.  I've been finding it easier to walk 15 minutes to Broady station to get the express bus to Flemington the last couple of days.
  TOQ-1 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Power Trainger
During the St Albans/Ginifer shut, they managed the parking in certain streets that would prevent the all stopping buses from making turns. But that route was just a simple block to do a safe left hand side drop, a longer section like the one you suggested would be much harder.
  reubstar6 Chief Train Controller

I honestly thing that Jacana station needs an upgrade. On the Western side, there is a large amount of space underneath the power pylons that could easily be converted to a car park. In fact, people have begun to park on the relatively quiet street on the Western side which has caused lots of congestion. As for the station itself, it is quite an eyesore. Not only is the overpass an unnecessary combination of ramps, but there is an unlit tunnel which one does not really want in the Broadmeadows area! I would suggest building the car park with a stop for the local bus, plus rebuilding the overpass making it more favourable for both passengers and the many bikes that pass over. Ideally, I would have Pascoe Vale road lowered to a level still compatible with the Western Ring Road ramp, goods line bridge over Pascoe Vale road, main line rail bridge to accommodate new ramps to access other points of the Western Ring Road from Pascoe Vale road, then finally the main line rail bridge being lowered to where the current broad gauge goods tracks are, with the goods line bridge continuing over the top of the main line to Broadmeadows. Jacana station could this way be better integrated with Pascoe Vale road. If this was marketed as a road project, you could probably get funding from it (considering the current attitudes).
  red_railway Locomotive Fireman

I honestly thing that Jacana station needs an upgrade. On the Western side, there is a large amount of space underneath the power pylons that could easily be converted to a car park. In fact, people have begun to park on the relatively quiet street on the Western side which has caused lots of congestion. As for the station itself, it is quite an eyesore. Not only is the overpass an unnecessary combination of ramps, but there is an unlit tunnel which one does not really want in the Broadmeadows area! I would suggest building the car park with a stop for the local bus, plus rebuilding the overpass making it more favourable for both passengers and the many bikes that pass over. Ideally, I would have Pascoe Vale road lowered to a level still compatible with the Western Ring Road ramp, goods line bridge over Pascoe Vale road, main line rail bridge to accommodate new ramps to access other points of the Western Ring Road from Pascoe Vale road, then finally the main line rail bridge being lowered to where the current broad gauge goods tracks are, with the goods line bridge continuing over the top of the main line to Broadmeadows. Jacana station could this way be better integrated with Pascoe Vale road. If this was marketed as a road project, you could probably get funding from it (considering the current attitudes).
reubstar6
Big changes will start happening in about two years. The ARTC Inland Rail Project will require the Pascoe Vale Road bridge and the Jacana footbridge to go a bit higher to achieve the 7.1 metre clearance required for trains with double stack containers on the Jacana- Albion line. This will probably have quite an impact on the station itself. And yes, Jacana patronage has definitely picked up. The patronage rise seemed to coincide with the change in fare zones in 2015.
  justarider Chief Train Controller

Location: Stuck on VR and hoping for better.
Maybe, maybe not.

The other project in the mix is Airport  loop.

The vibe for 12 months is divert the Albion track to Airport and out to Wallan.
A nice new fast track like that needs someone to pay for it. How about ARTC stump up and get a clean freight line into melbourne.

A win win all round, and Jacana get off the freight business. What future the station then?

Cheers
John

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