Clyde extension should not wait 10-15 years to get built

 
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
As for Koo Wee Rup. Its a bit harsh calling it swamp. Been to land sales in Clyde North ? (aka Berwick Waters)
KWR is picturesque waterviews with abundant lakes and nearby sandy beaches. The brouchers for Clyde East will be out in the next year or so.
Fine, will 'agriculturally oriented wetlands' suffice? I can't tell what smells worse around that part of the world, the asparagus or the bulldust sprinkled through the development brochures...
LancedDendrite
The whole area around Koo Wee Rup is swampland hence all of the open channels everywhere to divert the water into Westernport.

Not to mention that this prime agricultural land needs to be protected from housing development. That soil is black gold.

BG

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  woodford Chief Commissioner

There is no point in this project going ahead at the current moment, REMEMBER the CEO of MetroTrains has stated there is no point in extending any metro rail services now as the core of Melbourne's rail network has no more time slots availible. THAT IS WHY THE METRO TUNNEL IS BEING BUILT (excuse the shouting). Only when the tunnel is completed can any service extensions be contemplated. If the extension to Clyde goes ahead all that will do is further overload a network that cannot take any more passengers anyway.

The Liberal party is as usual with rail promising something they cannot deliver.

woodford
  justarider Deputy Commissioner

Location: Bored at home
BG
Oh the irony. Never get between a property developer and a bucket of money. Rich farming country never mattered before, and channels are things just to be paved over.

Woodford.
Time slots have nothing to do with it. A train departing every 20 minutes from 200 km out still arrives only every 20 minutes. Now frequency, that does change the pressure.

Cheers
John
  mike49 Locomotive Fireman

There is no point in this project going ahead at the current moment, REMEMBER the CEO of MetroTrains has stated there is no point in extending any metro rail services now as the core of Melbourne's rail network has no more time slots availible. THAT IS WHY THE METRO TUNNEL IS BEING BUILT (excuse the shouting). Only when the tunnel is completed can any service extensions be contemplated. If the extension to Clyde goes ahead all that will do is further overload a network that cannot take any more passengers anyway.

The Liberal party is as usual with rail promising something they cannot deliver.

woodford
woodford
I disagree. If the government had the balls to remove the remaining peak hour Frankston line trains from the City Loop as Metro wanted to do then it would free up a number of additional paths for trains to Dandenong & beyond.

However with an election coming up in November & a number of marginal seats on the Frankston line it isn't going to happen. Not yet anyway.
  TOQ-1 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Power Trainger
Extending the line doesn't necessarily mean there will be more trains, just existing services that travel further.

If the Liberal party model goes ahead, there will not be capacity on the Dandnenong-Cranbourne section to allow any new services anyway.
  woodford Chief Commissioner

Extending the line doesn't necessarily mean there will be more trains, just existing services that travel further.

If the Liberal party model goes ahead, there will not be capacity on the Dandnenong-Cranbourne section to allow any new services anyway.
TOQ-1
If the existing services are full where are the new passengers from the extra stations going to go.

woodford
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

There is no point in this project going ahead at the current moment, REMEMBER the CEO of MetroTrains has stated there is no point in extending any metro rail services now as the core of Melbourne's rail network has no more time slots availible. THAT IS WHY THE METRO TUNNEL IS BEING BUILT (excuse the shouting). Only when the tunnel is completed can any service extensions be contemplated. If the extension to Clyde goes ahead all that will do is further overload a network that cannot take any more passengers anyway.

The Liberal party is as usual with rail promising something they cannot deliver.

woodford
I disagree. If the government had the balls to remove the remaining peak hour Frankston line trains from the City Loop as Metro wanted to do then it would free up a number of additional paths for trains to Dandenong & beyond.

However with an election coming up in November & a number of marginal seats on the Frankston line it isn't going to happen. Not yet anyway.
mike49
What don't you agree with? I agree with the first point. The ALP should have removed all Frankston Trains from the loop.

And I agree with the second point. The Libs promising something they cannot or wont deliver.

May I remind you that the biggest thing that the Liberal Party has delivered in their 4 years apart from level crossing removals (just 2), is Waurn Ponds Station.

They had ripped the Original Melbourne Metro to build their ridiculous Clayton's version that would include a link to the airport, which would have provided no extra capacity and would have caused disruption to the Burnley and Caulfield loop tunnels. It would have been about 50% complete by now.

Michael
  steve195 Train Controller

The Libs gave us all day 10min frequencies to Dandenong, Frankston (every day) and Ringwood (weekends only). I would say that those timetable improvements did more good for rail passengers than level crossing removals.

I'm not saying their record on PT is good - it isn't - but we should give credit where it is due.
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

The Libs gave us all day 10min frequencies to Dandenong, Frankston (every day) and Ringwood (weekends only). I would say that those timetable improvements did more good for rail passengers than level crossing removals.

I'm not saying their record on PT is good - it isn't - but we should give credit where it is due.
steve195
Yeah, true, but what about 10 min frequencies for the Werribee, South Morang and Craigieburn lines?

Michael
  steve195 Train Controller

The Libs gave us all day 10min frequencies to Dandenong, Frankston (every day) and Ringwood (weekends only). I would say that those timetable improvements did more good for rail passengers than level crossing removals.

I'm not saying their record on PT is good - it isn't - but we should give credit where it is due.
Yeah, true, but what about 10 min frequencies for the Werribee, South Morang and Craigieburn lines?

Michael
mejhammers1
Honestly, it's a travesty that nobody has implemented 10min off-peak frequencies to Werribee since RRL opened. Ditto Sunshine.
  mike49 Locomotive Fireman

There is no point in this project going ahead at the current moment, REMEMBER the CEO of MetroTrains has stated there is no point in extending any metro rail services now as the core of Melbourne's rail network has no more time slots availible. THAT IS WHY THE METRO TUNNEL IS BEING BUILT (excuse the shouting). Only when the tunnel is completed can any service extensions be contemplated. If the extension to Clyde goes ahead all that will do is further overload a network that cannot take any more passengers anyway.

The Liberal party is as usual with rail promising something they cannot deliver.

woodford
I disagree. If the government had the balls to remove the remaining peak hour Frankston line trains from the City Loop as Metro wanted to do then it would free up a number of additional paths for trains to Dandenong & beyond.

However with an election coming up in November & a number of marginal seats on the Frankston line it isn't going to happen. Not yet anyway.
What don't you agree with? I agree with the first point. The ALP should have removed all Frankston Trains from the loop.

And I agree with the second point. The Libs promising something they cannot or wont deliver.

May I remind you that the biggest thing that the Liberal Party has delivered in their 4 years apart from level crossing removals (just 2), is Waurn Ponds Station.

They had ripped the Original Melbourne Metro to build their ridiculous Clayton's version that would include a link to the airport, which would have provided no extra capacity and would have caused disruption to the Burnley and Caulfield loop tunnels. It would have been about 50% complete by now.

Michael
mejhammers1
I didn't agree with Woodfords post about capacity on the Dandenong line. Taking the Frankston line out of the loop could provide up to 10 extra paths in the morning & afternoon peaks.

As for extending the Cranbourne line to Clyde the opposition has to be elected first but it wouldn't surprise me to see a similar commitment from the government before November. It happened with Mernda.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
The Libs gave us all day 10min frequencies to Dandenong, Frankston (every day) and Ringwood (weekends only). I would say that those timetable improvements did more good for rail passengers than level crossing removals.

I'm not saying their record on PT is good - it isn't - but we should give credit where it is due.
steve195
On Railpage, the home of everything Red = good, everything Blue = spawn of Satan? Good luck with that! Laughing

BG
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

The Libs gave us all day 10min frequencies to Dandenong, Frankston (every day) and Ringwood (weekends only). I would say that those timetable improvements did more good for rail passengers than level crossing removals.

I'm not saying their record on PT is good - it isn't - but we should give credit where it is due.
On Railpage, the home of everything Red = good, everything Blue = spawn of Satan? Good luck with that! Laughing

BG
BrentonGolding
Its called Observation BG!

Granted what the ALP has done in this term has not been perfect. The rushed jobs when rebuilding stations, the ongoing saga with the NE Rail line, etc. etc and Jacinta Allan has been roundly criticized for those and rightly so. But the Coalition's record on Public Transport in the last term has been nothing short of lamentable and only someone with myopia would disagree with that.

So if you think that I am going to give the Coalition a pat on the back for giving a train every 10 minutes to just three corridors, whilst subsequently ripping money from the RRL project to fund a road bypass.  Using studies as evidence of providing rail services to Ringwood and Doncaster and replacing a perfectly good Melbourne Metro project with the Melbourne Rail Link which was flawed in nearly every way, then you are surely mistaken.

Michael
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
On Railpage, the home of everything Red = good, everything Blue = spawn of Satan? Good luck with that! Laughing

BG
Its called Observation BG!

Granted what the ALP has done in this term has not been perfect. The rushed jobs when rebuilding stations, the ongoing saga with the NE Rail line, etc. etc and Jacinta Allan has been roundly criticized for those and rightly so. But the Coalition's record on Public Transport in the last term has been nothing short of lamentable and only someone with myopia would disagree with that.

So if you think that I am going to give the Coalition a pat on the back for giving a train every 10 minutes to just three corridors, whilst subsequently ripping money from the RRL project to fund a road bypass.  Using studies as evidence of providing rail services to Ringwood and Doncaster and replacing a perfectly good Melbourne Metro project with the Melbourne Rail Link which was flawed in nearly every way, then you are surely mistaken.

Michael
mejhammers1
Thanks, you just proved my point far better than I ever could of!

BG
  Crossover Train Controller

Location: St. Albans Victoria
The Libs gave us all day 10min frequencies to Dandenong, Frankston (every day) and Ringwood (weekends only). I would say that those timetable improvements did more good for rail passengers than level crossing removals.

I'm not saying their record on PT is good - it isn't - but we should give credit where it is due.
Yeah, true, but what about 10 min frequencies for the Werribee, South Morang and Craigieburn lines?

Michael
mejhammers1
Lets not leave out Sunbury either !
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

On Railpage, the home of everything Red = good, everything Blue = spawn of Satan? Good luck with that! Laughing

BG
Its called Observation BG!

Granted what the ALP has done in this term has not been perfect. The rushed jobs when rebuilding stations, the ongoing saga with the NE Rail line, etc. etc and Jacinta Allan has been roundly criticized for those and rightly so. But the Coalition's record on Public Transport in the last term has been nothing short of lamentable and only someone with myopia would disagree with that.

So if you think that I am going to give the Coalition a pat on the back for giving a train every 10 minutes to just three corridors, whilst subsequently ripping money from the RRL project to fund a road bypass.  Using studies as evidence of providing rail services to Ringwood and Doncaster and replacing a perfectly good Melbourne Metro project with the Melbourne Rail Link which was flawed in nearly every way, then you are surely mistaken.

Michael
Thanks, you just proved my point far better than I ever could of!

BG
BrentonGolding
Prove what point? That's the best you've got?  If the ALP had ripped away money from RRL to fund a road project I would condemn then. Indeed the Bracks Government should share most of the blame for the ongoing malaise of the RRL. They should have matched the Federal Governments contribution and not have made cuts.

If the Coalition here in Victoria had done what they are doing in NSW then I would say the Coalition have a very good record. Indeed the ALP's record there is nothing short of disgraceful.  But providing only 10 min frequencies to three lines is sod all and does not warrant giving them a pat on the back for ripping $450 Million from an already compromised rail project.

Michael
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

The Libs gave us all day 10min frequencies to Dandenong, Frankston (every day) and Ringwood (weekends only). I would say that those timetable improvements did more good for rail passengers than level crossing removals.

I'm not saying their record on PT is good - it isn't - but we should give credit where it is due.
Yeah, true, but what about 10 min frequencies for the Werribee, South Morang and Craigieburn lines?

Michael
Lets not leave out Sunbury either !
Crossover
True., sorry about that. Sunbury as well.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
If anything the line should swing north at clyde and join up with Pakenham to service all the infill housing in the next 10 years between the two.

Then in 15 years when the third airport at monomeith is built you can re-open the line from clyde to kooweerup, which is swampland so no housing.
drunkill

Just to clarify...it's Koo Wee Rup...and any other form of spelling of that locality is an abomination Exclamation

Have a look at the correctly spelt station names when you are next passing through.

Mike.
  ianb26 Station Master

Worth popping in the election thread, too. That's arguably the first "real" PT promise from Guy.

Done.

This is a real promise and does not constitute a study as appears already costed.

What is the situation with stabling on the Cranbourne/clyde line?

Is this done at Dandenong?
x31
There is stabling for 6 trains at Cranbourne that was opened a few years ago. Some trains are stabled at Dandenong, not sure how many though. One thing the government should look at is the Cranbourne shuttle after about 8.00pm from Dandenong. Why can't they do what they do at Ringwood. One train arrives from Flinders Street and goes through to Belgrave, while there is a shuttle to Lilydale. The next arrival goes through to Lilydale and a shuttle to Belgrave, and so on.

In other words one train goes to Pakenham and there is a shuttle to Cranbourne, then next arrival goes to Cranbourne, and then a shuttle to Pakenham, and so on. As the meerkat says in the ad on TV, SIMPLES!
  Mickeyb91 Station Staff

One thing the government should look at is the Cranbourne shuttle after about 8.00pm from Dandenong. Why can't they do what they do at Ringwood. One train arrives from Flinders Street and goes through to Belgrave, while there is a shuttle to Lilydale. The next arrival goes through to Lilydale and a shuttle to Belgrave, and so on. In other words one train goes to Pakenham and there is a shuttle to Cranbourne, then next arrival goes to Cranbourne, and then a shuttle to Pakenham, and so on. As the meerkat says in the ad on TV, SIMPLES!
ianb26
I’m not sure of the timetable for this area, but I assume you mean after 8pm on weekdays, as opposed to weekends.

Have a read of the follow: https://www.premier.vic.gov.au/more-train-services-for-a-growing-melbourne/

I assume the existing Cranbourne shuttle will be extended to Flinders Street to create a 10 minute service from Dandenong onwards until 10pm.
  Lad_Porter Chief Commissioner

Location: Yarra Glen
Why can't they do what they do at Ringwood. One train arrives from Flinders Street and goes through to Belgrave, while there is a shuttle to Lilydale. The next arrival goes through to Lilydale and a shuttle to Belgrave, and so on.
ianb26
Could this be extended to during the weekday, outside peak?  As it is, there is a down arrival into Ringwood every 15 minutes but no shuttles, meaning there is only a 30 minute service to and from Lilydale and Belgrave, which is unsatisfactory.  It is supposed to become a 20 minute service at some point, like at weekends (every 10 minutes to Ringwood), but no sign of that happening either.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
The Labor Government will get this planning right – unlike the Victorian Liberals botched plan to extend to Clyde without duplicating which will just mean more congestion, delays and cancellations.
Goverment Press release
and

These works also include track work to improve the tangled rail junction at Dandenong – a crucial first step towards the duplication of track through Lynbrook, Merinda Park and Cranbourne. The Victorian Budget 2018/19 committed to detailed planning towards the duplication of track between Dandenong and Cranbourne to remove the bottleneck created by the current single track. This planning process, already underway, is part of a $572 million upgrade package for Melbourne’s busiest corridor.
Goverment Press Relase

From
https://www.premier.vic.gov.au/works-continue-on-the-cranbourne-line/
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

https://www.premier.vic.gov.au/delivering-trains-every-10-minutes-on-the-cranbourne-line/
Full duplication to Cranbourne promised by Labor.

Definitely a harder sell to the electorate (“but why can’t they run trains to MY front door without any disruption?!?!?!?”) but a superior policy from a transport perspective.
  steve195 Train Controller

Great news!

I wonder what they refer to when it says 'improvements around Caulfield'?
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

Great news!

I wonder what they refer to when it says 'improvements around Caulfield'?
steve195
Good question. Good money has to be on a major post-Metro Tunnel junction rationalisation.

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