YVR - Yarra Valley Railway

 
  6-4-0 Beginner

If they are it would be a real shame - I understand the economics due to replacement etc but at what stage does a heritage rail stop being a heritage rail? If concrete is used then the only thing heritage will be what’s running on the lines

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  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: Trapped in a meeting with Rhonda and Karsten
If they are it would be a real shame - I understand the economics due to replacement etc but at what stage does a heritage rail stop being a heritage rail? If concrete is used then the only thing heritage will be what’s running on the lines
6-4-0
Get your hand off it.

If timber sleepers are required for a heritage railway to be called as such then perhaps the Victorian Goldfields Railway isn't a heritage railway, as they already have concrete sleepers in some sections of their track. Actually, come to think of it Daylesford - an accredited museum - shouldn't be called a heritage railway either as they've got plastic sleepers in some parts of their track!
Come to think of it, not even just having only timber sleepers in your track is really enough to be 'heritage'. We should all go back to using only hand tools to replace sleepers. You sound like you'd be great with a hand auger...
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
If they are it would be a real shame - I understand the economics due to replacement etc but at what stage does a heritage rail stop being a heritage rail? If concrete is used then the only thing heritage will be what’s running on the lines
6-4-0
There comes a time when reality and practicality must come to the fore.

By all means have a track museum segment somewhere:

  • Timber sleepers - you'll be battling to get REAL heritage quality timber sleepers these days.
  • No base plates.
  • No rail anchors.
  • 60 lb rail in short lengths.
  • 6-hole fishplates.
  • Ash ballast.
  • Round dogspikes.
  • Timber trestle bridges
  • etc etc
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
If they are it would be a real shame - I understand the economics due to replacement etc but at what stage does a heritage rail stop being a heritage rail? If concrete is used then the only thing heritage will be what’s running on the lines
"6-4-0"
You'd better not go near PBR with ideas like yours sonny, otherwise the NA's will have to lose their steel cowcatchers and replace them with timber; their remotely mounted grease nipples will have to go; so will the turbo generators and electric lighting to be replaced by kero lanterns, and 14A will have to have its all welded boiler scrapped and replaced by one with riveted construction.
While you're there, you might care to tell the shop at Belgrave station that the electric freezers and refrigerators have to go, as do the fluorescent lights and electronic cash registers.

The front end loader that coals the locos will also need to go, and the workshop's electric power will be replaced by steam-powered shafts, belts and pulleys to drive the machines.

Need I say more?
  trainbrain Deputy Commissioner

I’ve heard that concrete sleepers are being installed @ YVR - is that accurate?
6-4-0
that is correct.
  trainbrain Deputy Commissioner

they are also getting the rail from the the Dandy Line that has become surplus, it has already being delivered at the the Tarrawarra work site.
  Lockspike Deputy Commissioner

If they are it would be a real shame - I understand the economics due to replacement etc but at what stage does a heritage rail stop being a heritage rail? If concrete is used then the only thing heritage will be what’s running on the lines
6-4-0
Very few heritage railway volunteers want to do track work as it's long hours of dirty, hard, heavy work, out in all weathers. It certainly doesn't have the glamour of running trains.

Anything that makes track maintenance easier ought to be embraced.

6-4-0, on which heritage railway did you say we can see you bending your back swinging a beater to maintain the track in fine fettle?
  steamfreak Assistant Commissioner

Location: Wodonga, VIC
If they are it would be a real shame - I understand the economics due to replacement etc but at what stage does a heritage rail stop being a heritage rail? If concrete is used then the only thing heritage will be what’s running on the lines
Very few heritage railway volunteers want to do track work as it's long hours of dirty, hard, heavy work, out in all weathers. It certainly doesn't have the glamour of running trains.

Anything that makes track maintenance easier ought to be embraced.

6-4-0, on which heritage railway did you say we can see you bending your back swinging a beater to maintain the track in fine fettle?
Lockspike
I saw coloured and textured concrete "sleepers" at the garden supply yard for retaining walls etc.  Surely those techniques can be used on actual railway sleepers to retain the heritage look? Smile
  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: Trapped in a meeting with Rhonda and Karsten


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qFKOiGAF08
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Great stuff, good on the YVR, that is some serious work to get that lot moved just for a start.

Some of those steam train shots look awful familiar, maybe a little more Central Victoria than Eastern Melbourne? Laughing

BG
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
It was impressive to see 190 ostensibly running on YVR steels. Oh well; it made good TV footage and who cares about accuracy?
I am pleased that YVR has been able to get its collective hands on the surplus ballast and rail, and good luck to them.
  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: Trapped in a meeting with Rhonda and Karsten
The YVR has also relaunched its website to coincide with the big announcement: http://www.yvr.org.au/
  woodford Chief Commissioner

If they are it would be a real shame - I understand the economics due to replacement etc but at what stage does a heritage rail stop being a heritage rail? If concrete is used then the only thing heritage will be what’s running on the lines
6-4-0
Sorry for the late reply............

The problem is while they are "heritage" railways, they are being run in these modern times and for various reasons things need to be done differently.....

1: Wages now are comparitely quite high compared to the 1920's so man power is an great issue, so there are a lot of tools and improved techniques to make a "heritage" railways life a great deal easier. With out these it simply be far to expensive to run such a railway.

2:The Ocuppational healh and safety standards are far stiffer these days and the railway MUST be able to cover such expenses, this was no where near the problem in the 1920's as it is now.

3: Some of both expertise and materials used in the past are getting difficult to obtain, particularly enginneering talent for maintaining the old rolling stock. Also some materails are far more expensive or more difficult to obtain now than the were in the past, examples being the poles and long bolts used in trestle bridges (Note 1).

4: In a lot of cases either the standards have changed or the knowledge required has dissappeared in these cases modern techniques MUST be used. Also if older rolling stock needs to run on todays mainlines, its almost certain that they need to meet at least some of the modern standards.

Probably the best example of the problems facing a "heritage" railway administration is the "British "Tornado" project. The book "The A1 Steam Locomotive Trust Tornado : Owners' Workshop Manual" published by Haynes, tells this story in great detail, WELL worth reading, particularly for anyone interested in running any sort of heritage railway in this day and age.

Note 1: Each of the (I thiink) 13 trestles on the Cockatoo crk bridge on Puffing billy used 24 60cm long 19mm galvenised steel bolts, these were at the time nearly $40 dollars each, making the total cost for bolts alone to be nearly $13,000.

woodford
  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: Trapped in a meeting with Rhonda and Karsten
I smell an election coming...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2IOOPK9lUY
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

https://www.premier.vic.gov.au/scenic-railway-to-boost-tourism-in-the-yarra-valley/

Someone at YVR clearly has some good conections, $3.75m grant funding!
  trainbrain Deputy Commissioner

old news revamped, Federal Grant done a couple of years ago to similar amount................
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
News item about YVR is complete with footage of PBR.
But, given the grants that have been handed out to PBR over the years, a decent slice to YVR is welcome.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
https://www.premier.vic.gov.au/scenic-railway-to-boost-tourism-in-the-yarra-valley/

Someone at YVR clearly has some good conections, $3.75m grant funding!
potatoinmymouth
Hmmm, I know a bloke at YVR who on the face of it would appear to have good connections! I'll leave you all to riddle that one out.

Stony ballast eh? I bet the person writing the press release had to go and ask someone what "ballast" was and they replied "you know, the stones that they put on the tracks" so Stony Ballast it was!

Sure glad they aren't trying to use water ballast, that would never sail!

BG
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
Gunzel Question, Would this cover Transporting YVRs J class to Healesville?
  lkernan Assistant Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
Gunzel Question, Would this cover Transporting YVRs J class to Healesville?
Dangersdan707

For 3.75 million you could probably get it a world tour.
  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: Trapped in a meeting with Rhonda and Karsten
old news revamped, Federal Grant done a couple of years ago to similar amount................
trainbrain
It's not and you should know better than that.

Gunzel Question, Would this cover Transporting YVRs J class to Healesville?
Dangersdan707
Wouldn't be applicable.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
old news revamped, Federal Grant done a couple of years ago to similar amount................
It's not and you should know better than that.

Gunzel Question, Would this cover Transporting YVRs J class to Healesville?
Wouldn't be applicable.
LD to me it is old news, and I do know maybe a little bt more than you may realise.
trainbrain
I don't see how this Victorian State Labour Government announcement of future funding tied to them getting re-elected can be the same as a Federal Government announcement of a couple of years ago.

I for one would welcome a more detailed explanation because at face value that seems highly unlikely.

BG
  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: Trapped in a meeting with Rhonda and Karsten
LD to me it is old news, and I do know maybe a little bt more than you may realise.
trainbrain
The funding announcement is old news to you?
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/leader/east/ringwood-pool-monash-enterprise-centre-and-yarra-valley-rail-link-projects-get-182m-federal-government-money/news-story/8892398c71f8d159b0391586a50ae5d0

There's the story. Indeed it is a similar amount but that was 2 federal elections and three Prime Ministers ago, so I cannot for the life of the see how it might be connected!
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
That report suggested that the YVR would bring in an extra 250,000 visitors to the Yarra Valley each year.

That equates to an average of 4,807 visitors per week.

Where on earth do they dig these numbers up from?

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