Auscision Models Blog

 
  comtrain Chief Commissioner

Location: Near Albury Wodonga
Well Rod, if they could be made cheaper and as you described - you'd think someone would have jumped on the chance and be rolling in the (slightly less) cash by now?

How long have the car carriers been available for?...





Cough...
Just The Tip
Yes and I was going to do just that. However Shrike got in the way, and anyway at 70 years of age, I decided in all that I could not risk my super on the venture. I am pretty certain, anybody wishing, has enough info here to retrace my steps, and investing a few thousands could do the job, and make a quid or three?

In all I bought 12 Viccy brass car wagons from End of Line and they are light brass and Epoxy and absolutely magnificent
I then bought 17 mixed VR,SA and NSW Auscision models, which are also magnificent.  The loaded train might have to use a lot of closed side wagons I guess Very Happy to lighten the hit on the wallet!
But you are correct $1700 is the easy no risk way to go, but that does not change my declaration that they are too bl00dy expensive for their intended application Wink
Cheers
Rod

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  meh Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
They are expensive for what they were built for!  
comtrain

Actually good-point Rod.

As far as model cars go they are reasonable; however as you mention they were originally supposed to be loads on the car carriers, which makes them pretty expensive compared to the open wagon and coil steel loads.

Alas I'll still be getting a few as having accurate HO Scale Aussie outline cars is a nice treat.

Cheers
  c3526blue Deputy Commissioner

Location: in the cuckoos nest

Hello All,

Only 3 x 48/830 H0 models left on Auscision website.

  •   48-34     - 4816 MK1 Austrac
  •    830-2     - 835 SAR Mustard Pot (with Piping Shrike)
  •    830-10   - 28 Silverton Yellow

Australian Modeller and other shops do/may have more available.

Looking good for a second run (rerun) anyone?

Happy magpieing/shriking,

John
  kingfisher Chief Train Controller


Hello All,

Only 3 x 48/830 H0 models left on Auscision website.

  •   48-34     - 4816 MK1 Austrac
  •    830-2     - 835 SAR Mustard Pot (with Piping Shrike)
  •    830-10   - 28 Silverton Yellow

Australian Modeller and other shops do/may have more available.

Looking good for a second run (rerun) anyone?

Happy magpieing/shriking,

John
c3526blue
I think they missed a golden opportunity for significantly more sales by not releasing a unnumbered Indian Red and Candy loco with suitable decals especially for the number boxes.
  meh Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
I'm sure they've done just fine from this run.

Only trouble is most of the liveries went pretty quickly so it'll be hard to decide which ones to rerun if the factories new policy is higher quantities in less variations.

One would assume the Freightrail/Freightcorp/PN versions would be top of the list though as these went fast.
  gw0071 Deputy Commissioner

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  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

Location: In front of a computer most of the time.
Well Rod, if they could be made cheaper and as you described - you'd think someone would have jumped on the chance and be rolling in the (slightly less) cash by now?

How long have the car carriers been available for?...





Cough...
Yes and I was going to do just that. However Shrike got in the way, and anyway at 70 years of age, I decided in all that I could not risk my super on the venture. I am pretty certain, anybody wishing, has enough info here to retrace my steps, and investing a few thousands could do the job, and make a quid or three?

In all I bought 12 Viccy brass car wagons from End of Line and they are light brass and Epoxy and absolutely magnificent
I then bought 17 mixed VR,SA and NSW Auscision models, which are also magnificent.  The loaded train might have to use a lot of closed side wagons I guess Very Happy to lighten the hit on the wallet!
But you are correct $1700 is the easy no risk way to go, but that does not change my declaration that they are too bl00dy expensive for their intended application Wink
Cheers
Rod
comtrain
All I got from this is "they're too expensive, I could have done it way cheaper, there's plenty of profits to be made doing it the way cheaper option, but I did the maths and there's a huge risk I'll lose money because if there really was a way cheaper option someone else would have already jumped onto it, so someone else with no experience in this high risk arena should do what I and those with relevant experience wouldn't touch with a 20' barge pole.".
  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

Location: In front of a computer most of the time.

As far as model cars go they are reasonable; however as you mention they were originally supposed to be loads on the car carriers, which makes them pretty expensive compared to the open wagon and coil steel loads.
(snip)
meh


You really believe they were "originally supposed to be loads on the car carriers" and nothing more?
  meh Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney

You really believe they were "originally supposed to be loads on the car carriers" and nothing more?
Poath Junction

I recall them being originally advertised as being loads for the car carriers.

But as mentioned, they look like great models and comparing to US equivalents they are actually very well priced.
  comtrain Chief Commissioner

Location: Near Albury Wodonga
Well Rod, if they could be made cheaper and as you described - you'd think someone would have jumped on the chance and be rolling in the (slightly less) cash by now?

How long have the car carriers been available for?...





Cough...
Yes and I was going to do just that. However Shrike got in the way, and anyway at 70 years of age, I decided in all that I could not risk my super on the venture. I am pretty certain, anybody wishing, has enough info here to retrace my steps, and investing a few thousands could do the job, and make a quid or three?

In all I bought 12 Viccy brass car wagons from End of Line and they are light brass and Epoxy and absolutely magnificent
I then bought 17 mixed VR,SA and NSW Auscision models, which are also magnificent.  The loaded train might have to use a lot of closed side wagons I guess Very Happy to lighten the hit on the wallet!
But you are correct $1700 is the easy no risk way to go, but that does not change my declaration that they are too bl00dy expensive for their intended application Wink
Cheers
Rod
All I got from this is "they're too expensive, I could have done it way cheaper, there's plenty of profits to be made doing it the way cheaper option, but I did the maths and there's a huge risk I'll lose money because if there really was a way cheaper option someone else would have already jumped onto it, so someone else with no experience in this high risk arena should do what I and those with relevant experience wouldn't touch with a 20' barge pole.".
Poath Junction
You certainly have a high opinion of yourself, don't you?  I thought this was a discussion group, open to all ideas, not just yours?  I sense you would like us to all bow down to your superior intellect and business acumen , eh? Just saying. We all have a right to use our own brains, and probably shouldn't just  follow self proclaimed  knowledge guru's. Lets agree to disagree, shall we? If others did not think outside the circle, talk about other ways of doing things, perhaps GM might have left Ford to automobiles, because they had already invented the assembly line allowing cheap T Models to be mass produced, and we might still be driving them today?
Cheers
Rod
  gw0071 Deputy Commissioner

Not wishing to weigh in on any discussions of personal opinion or conflict, I do note that the photographs which accompany the motor vehicle page exclusively depict such vehicles as loaded on to car carriers

I'm certainly not within any secretive loop of knowledge and I detest the term, merely "just saying"
  2LaGrange Train Controller

I think they always planned to aim for the biggest market possible to get a return on their investment. Who can blame them for that ?
They are running a business not a benevolent society for those wanting dirt cheap Australian model cars for their car carrier wagons.
I think they were very deliberate in choosing the models and eras they did. Both the VB Commodore and XD Falcon have close cousins built in the same era in the UK and Germany which would appeal to these modellers not just Australian modellers and being detailed as they are lend themselves to being modified and also appeal to model car collectors not just model railways.
To this end they need to be full models not just to sit in car carriers but to be on display on layouts and in collections.

Of course Auscision would use photos of the cars in a railway perspective to promote them as that is their core market but in my opinion they were always intended to be for layouts and car collectors as a larger market and that’s why they are for sale individually and in a bulk pack at a discount for those that want more than a couple.

I’m sure people other than model railroaders buy other products they have produced such as trees, shipping containers and coil/wire/poles/steel beam loads for example truck modellers, storage boxes etc. Why limit a product to purely a model railroad market when it can have a wider appeal ?
  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

Location: In front of a computer most of the time.
You certainly have a high opinion of yourself, don't you?
comtrain

I assume that was rhetorical, but yes I do.

I thought this was a discussion group, open to all ideas, not just yours?  I sense you would like us to all bow down to your superior intellect and business acumen , eh? Just saying. We all have a right to use our own brains, and probably shouldn't just  follow self proclaimed  knowledge guru's.
comtrain


No need to bow or follow self proclaimed knowledge guru's, one would do better to use said brain and note what has been manufactured around the world by various methods (injection, casting, resin molding, vacform, 3D printing, et al) and at what price point to be commercially viable. One should also investigate methods that haven't been commercially viable so as to not make the same mistakes.

Lets agree to disagree, shall we?
comtrain


I didn't agree to that.

If others did not think outside the circle, talk about other ways of doing things, perhaps GM might have left Ford to automobiles, because they had already invented the assembly line allowing cheap T Models to be mass produced, and we might still be driving them today?
Cheers
Rod
comtrain


Ford didn't invent the assembly line (Mr Ford and his company are over 1000 years too late to claim credit). Ford didn't invent the assembly line for car manufacturing (Mr Olds get credit for that). Ford didn't even invent the moving assembly line (such concepts had been used in abattoirs for some time). One of Ford's employees (note not Mr Ford himself) did think outside the circle and realise how an already existing process could be adapted to car manufacturing and once implemented the other manufacturers (eg GM) quickly followed suite.  We have seen the same process happen in model manufacturing (eg hand crafted models gave way to mass produced cast models, in turn being superseded by plastic injection methods) which have given cost savings across the board. Your proposal doesn't appear to introduce any new cost saving manufacturing process yet we're led to believe it'll deliver a quality item at a fraction of the Auscision model price and still deliver profits. I don't buy it. Well I would "buy it" (the product) if it delivered all the promises but so far all I see is vapourware.
I am intrigued by your earlier comment "However Shrike got in the way..." putting a stop to your plans of delivering a cheap and highly desirable product for the masses.
  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

Location: In front of a computer most of the time.


"Come check out our HO Scale Auscision Vehicle Train at Australian Modeller. 2 Sound 48s with 8 Car Carriers fully loaded with XD Falcons running on Mullet Creek." - via https://www.facebook.com/auscisionmodels/
  comtrain Chief Commissioner

Location: Near Albury Wodonga
"I am intrigued by your earlier comment "However Shrike got in the way..." putting a stop to your plans of delivering a cheap and highly desirable product for the masses."

One of the Strike team was preparing  plans for me, and offered his expertise to produce the product. I lost all confidence after the Shrike fiasco, and spent my money on another project.  However I did offer the suggestion here and elsewhere, that the project was doable according to one manufacturer, and might be something for a young bloke to look at.
Rod
  Ardglen Junior Train Controller

Hi all,
Please forgive a dumb question & apologies if it has been asked before, are the DCC & Sound models capable of operation on a DC layout (similar to the Eureka models)?
Thanks in advance.
Andrew
  dthead Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Hi all,
Please forgive a dumb question & apologies if it has been asked before, are the DCC & Sound models capable of operation on a DC layout (similar to the Eureka models)?
Thanks in advance.
Andrew
Ardglen
I believe so !

David
  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

Location: In front of a computer most of the time.
Hi all,
Please forgive a dumb question & apologies if it has been asked before, are the DCC & Sound models capable of operation on a DC layout (similar to the Eureka models)?
Thanks in advance.
Andrew
Ardglen
Instructions for Auscision Sound locos are at http://www.auscisionmodels.com.au/PDFs/Auscision%20HO%20Scale%2048-830%20class%20DCC%20Operating%20Information%20v4.pdf , the locos can be used on DC or DCC straight out of the box.
  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

Location: In front of a computer most of the time.
Not wishing to weigh in on any discussions of personal opinion or conflict, I do note that the photographs which accompany the motor vehicle page exclusively depict such vehicles as loaded on to car carriers
gw0071
It's kinda superfluous to tell people the cars are suitable for placing on roads Wink

The advertising uses standard sales technique for "value adding". As the cars weren't available when the carriers were released you'll note their promotional examples were loaded with Road Ragers & Brekina cars, conveniently available through AM. Similarly all the Auscision container pages & promos note they are designed for and fit Auscision container wagons rather than promoting competitor wagons (eg SDS) that are just as suitable.  No doubt the long overdue "Auscision Collectibles" https://www.facebook.com/pg/auscisioncollectables/about/?ref=page_internal range of vehicles will find their way into promo pics with other related Auscision products, such as the car carriers, in time. One can safely bet any such promos will feature the Auscision car carriers rather than a competitors (Casula) equally suitable product.
  dthead Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
At the braybrook model show, train world has the cars for sale, $16.95 each  - looked ok.


Regards,
David Head
  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

Location: In front of a computer most of the time.


The bulk packs are supplied in trays of 10 cars per tray. Quality is typical of plastic cars from other brands in the AUD$15-$20 range, and holds up well enough against the considerably more expensive limited edition resin cars made in Europe such as this NEO Ford Escort (which has a RRP of 30 Euro / AUD $45).
  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

Location: In front of a computer most of the time.


Just like the prototype, you get what you pay for.
  Lazarus Train Controller

Location: Missouri, USA
It was a pleasant surprise to see some Aussie representation at the NMRA convention show in Kansas City, Missouri this weekend. I saw these two at the ESU booth.

  M636C Minister for Railways


Hello All,

Only 3 x 48/830 H0 models left on Auscision website.

  •   48-34     - 4816 MK1 Austrac
  •    830-2     - 835 SAR Mustard Pot (with Piping Shrike)
  •    830-10   - 28 Silverton Yellow

Australian Modeller and other shops do/may have more available.

Looking good for a second run (rerun) anyone?

Happy magpieing/shriking,

John
c3526blue
While the two models are sold out, I was disappointed to note that the models described as "847 and 849 as run in NSW" had the same SAR lettering as the model of 830. It is likely that these two (or three if you count the unmodelled 848) never had the SAR style lettering in that paint scheme, and definitely not while in NSW.

A feature of the "last 6" 830s built for standard gauge for the conversion of Port Pirie to Broken Hill was that AE Goodwin used their NSWGR locomotive number stencils to paint the cab side numbers on these six units. When the locomotives ran in NSW, they were all still in the original paint, with the NSW style numbers.

These locos were numbered 847 to 849, which filled the gap between the highest number broad gauge 830 (846) and the lowest number narrow gauge 830 (850) and 868-870 which filled a gap in the narrow gauge numbers.

I point this out because I bought a Trainorama 830 quite some time ago from this group because it had the correct style of numbers. Perhap Auscision should think about their competition more carefully.

I also have a clear recollection (and a Kodachrome slide) of one of the three leased from SAR at Lithgow, and noted that there were additional main reservoir air pipes added to the headstock to match those already on 48 class. There was no sign of these additional pipes on the model illustrated on the website (with the wrong style of numbers).

But this doesn't matter because they have sold out, although I'm not sure what this proves about the customers...

Peter
  gw0071 Deputy Commissioner

It proves thar the customer couldn't give a rats ar$e about what may be such trivial oversights

Don't take this personally, I do admire your knowledge on the subject and acknowledge that there's a wide range of aspects we all take away from this pastime. However, for me if it came down to a choice between a decalling error or an incorrectly profiled #1 end - I know which one I'd prefer

Dollar votes I suppo$e

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