Malcolm Turncoat's imploding act

 
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

Israilfan: It's incredibly sad when you find yourself agreeing with Tony Abbott - Malcolm is a spineless piece of jelly. He finally had an opportunity to do something about "climate change" which was an issue he'd been championing for over a decade - and he squibs it because he can't get his own party to vote for it. And how stupid to pass the proposed bill to the Labor Party before he gives it to the dissenters.

I think at this point we're probably better off with a Dutton led government, I dunno what advantage there is to the Australian people in electing Shorten apart from generous welfare programs for those people whose jobs have been off-shored. I could be wrong but a Labor/Greens coalition will not fix a single thing related to our long-term endemic and increasing poverty.
don_dunstan
I am not a fan of Turnbull but Dutton really? That racist git. No thanks, Id rather take my chance with Turnbull.

Michael

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  Groundrelay Chief Commissioner

Location: Surrounded by Trolls!
Bottom line is her voting record. Big tax cuts for the well off, penalty rate cuts for those who can least afford it.
Yeah, whatever. I'm still going to vote for her just to spite rubes like you.
don_dunstan
Calls me a rube yet laps up whatever that gold-digger squawks. Razz

Don I do try to be civil but you make that increasingly difficult. You can bag but that’s about it.

You continually scorn one side of politics for supposedly abandoning the working class yet when I point out her voting record it’s "whatever". Only a few percent of undecided voters will decide the next election so how far 'right' you end-up voting isn’t going to swing it.
  Groundrelay Chief Commissioner

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I am not a fan of Turnbull but Dutton really? That racist git. No thanks, Id rather take my chance with Turnbull.

Michael
mejhammers1
'Peace in our time' Turnbull's preferred PM status is probably the one thing helping the LNP whilst Shorten is clearly not a positive for Labor.

What really troubles me is seeing Dutton photoshopped in a SS uniform. It's just too realistic  Shocked
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Maybe he wasn't tipping his hat to the consultancy firms?
He was doing a bit more than that.......

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/mar/15/roman-quaedvlieg-sacked-as-head-of-border-force

BG
BrentonGolding
Yeah well... perhaps he was just getting in practice for being a Carr government minister - you know, setting up your own personal fiefdom.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
I am not a fan of Turnbull but Dutton really? That racist git. No thanks, Id rather take my chance with Turnbull.

Michael
mejhammers1
Turnbull is waffling away into oblivion - I sincerely would rather the LNP stay in power than put that cabal of spendthrifts at the Labor Party back in charge of the nation. The LNP are bad enough, the Labor Party might actually send us broke this time around, God knows Gillard had a red hot go the last time they were in power.
Calls me a rube yet laps up whatever that gold-digger squawks. Razz Don I do try to be civil but you make that increasingly difficult. You can bag but that’s about it. You continually scorn one side of politics for supposedly abandoning the working class yet when I point out her voting record it’s "whatever". Only a few percent of undecided voters will decide the next election so how far 'right' you end-up voting isn’t going to swing it.
Groundrelay
The Labor Party are the entire reason that the working class are up sh*t creek without a paddle to begin with... hello Hawke/Keating "Accords"? Corporate profitability in Australia exploded after the first Accord mid-eighties and worker wages stood still for years on end. Keating then gifts the Sydney finance industry a river of gold forever - the blessing of compulsory worker superannuation, designed so that the NSW finance industry elite can skim profits off now and forever. On top of that Hawke and Keating accelerated the charge to complete de-industrialisation in Australia making all and any kinds of manufacturing un-viable at the expense of the banking and finance industries: Then Keating floats the Commonwealth Bank for a lousy few billion (now worth 70 billion) giving yet another enormous free kick to the big end of town. No wonder they both advise Chinese interests on the best way to manipulate governments to gain policy advantages - they've been doing it for their corporate mates for decades.

Really you could hardly tell the difference between Labor "reforms" and the LNP's similarly worker unfriendly policies such as "WorkChoices". Hell, at least you knew what Howard stood for.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/in-trying-to-be-all-things-to-all-people-malcolm-turnbull-has-become-nothing-to-no-one-writes-joe-hildebrand/news-story/664cf84fb4ff35722b3fc84129542dec


Enjoy,  sums up the current PM accurately
9034
Sadly all too true, he doesn't end up pleasing anyone. And Abbott is absolutely right, they should not be negotiating with the Labor Party to try and pass legislation. What's the point of difference between the two parties if the NEG becomes bipartisan policy - what is the purpose for traditional Liberal voters to vote for Malcolm if they get Labor policies anyway? Turnbull has turned many LNP voters off with his flip-flopping and green-wash agenda.
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

I thought Dan Andrews solar panel promise yesterday was a politically savvy but reactionary response to the NEG.  Throwing lots of money ($1.2 billion) at small scale solar that is less efficient and cost effective as investment in large scale solar.  And it will benefit those who can afford to install it.  The main positive is that it requires less poles and wires infrastructure (it's decentralised).

Renters and those with nothing in their bank accounts probably won't see any improvement.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Renters and those with nothing in their bank accounts probably won't see any improvement.
Carnot
The rush to unreliables is all about punishing the poor and rewarding those who can afford to put panels on their houses to sell power to the grid at the times when it's not needed. Middle class welfare.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Sean Kelly this morning on why Turnbull's leadership is doomed and what it means for the nation (Sydney Morning Herald);

That the Coalition might be about to tear itself apart over climate again is an indication of insanity. The symmetry is incredible. In 2010, Turnbull crossed the floor to vote with Labor on climate policy – after losing the Liberal leadership to Tony Abbott. Now, having lost the Liberal leadership to Malcolm Turnbull, Tony Abbott is preparing to cross the floor to vote with Labor on climate policy... The reality is that Turnbull is not being attacked for his commitment to Paris. Abbott was committed to Paris. Large parts of the Liberal Party have never accepted Turnbull. He is being punished for not being one of them.

Malcolm's leadership appears to be doomed at this point, all because of his insistence on trying to put though the NEG.
  Donald Chief Commissioner

Location: Donald. Duck country.
Renters and those with nothing in their bank accounts probably won't see any improvement.
The rush to unreliables is all about punishing the poor and rewarding those who can afford to put panels on their houses to sell power to the grid at the times when it's not needed. Middle class welfare.
don_dunstan
And those who can't afford the scheme end up paying more for their electricity as the power companies increase prices to cover for the lost income.

Dan the Man has said that those who take up the scheme will save $400 per year.   That is on a $4000 installation, so it take 10 years to pay for the panels - which by then the panels would be nearly due for replacement.   Great value for money.

But Dan will subsidise the scheme by half, meaning I will pay for someone else to get cheaper electricity and pay more for mine.
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
Sean Kelly this morning on why Turnbull's leadership is doomed and what it means for the nation (Sydney Morning Herald);

That the Coalition might be about to tear itself apart over climate again is an indication of insanity. The symmetry is incredible. In 2010, Turnbull crossed the floor to vote with Labor on climate policy – after losing the Liberal leadership to Tony Abbott. Now, having lost the Liberal leadership to Malcolm Turnbull, Tony Abbott is preparing to cross the floor to vote with Labor on climate policy... The reality is that Turnbull is not being attacked for his commitment to Paris. Abbott was committed to Paris. Large parts of the Liberal Party have never accepted Turnbull. He is being punished for not being one of them.

Malcolm's leadership appears to be doomed at this point, all because of his insistence on trying to put though the NEG.
don_dunstan
Get the Pea Beau ready, this annoying blowfly needs to be put down!
  Groundrelay Chief Commissioner

Location: Surrounded by Trolls!
The rush to unreliables is all about punishing the poor and rewarding those who can afford to put panels on their houses to sell power to the grid at the times when it's not needed. Middle class welfare.
don_dunstan
Which LNP benefactors stand to make billions by locking in coal generation for the next 30 years!

Prices may dip a little but even if you ignored the cost of building, maintaining and operating the power stations, coal as the input is not free to mine, process and transport. Those costs will always increase and the majority will pay whilst the usual suspects make the big bucks.

Renewables with Storage will continue to be more efficient and cheaper but the real problem is no one owns the energy source. I wouldn't be surprised if your lot start penalising people who dare install/use renewables. Big Smile!
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

The rush to unreliables is all about punishing the poor and rewarding those who can afford to put panels on their houses to sell power to the grid at the times when it's not needed. Middle class welfare.
Which LNP benefactors stand to make billions by locking in coal generation for the next 30 years!

Prices may dip a little but even if you ignored the cost of building, maintaining and operating the power stations, coal as the input is not free to mine, process and transport. Those costs will always increase and the majority will pay whilst the usual suspects make the big bucks.

Renewables with Storage will continue to be more efficient and cheaper but the real problem is no one owns the energy source. I wouldn't be surprised if your lot start penalising people who dare install/use renewables. Big Smile!
Groundrelay
Agree.  Big energy companies don't like decentralisation.  It needs to be a decent mix of large and small scale power gen - but that can be a big challenge to power distribution networks.  Which is where battery storage can help as a quick response 'gap-filler' as had been demonstrated rather successfully in South Australia over the past year.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Which LNP benefactors stand to make billions by locking in coal generation for the next 30 years!
Groundrelay
I don't care who owns it, I just want the reliable, cheap electricity that coal used to provide for our nation's people.
Prices may dip a little but even if you ignored the cost of building, maintaining and operating the power stations, coal as the input is not free to mine, process and transport. Those costs will always increase and the majority will pay whilst the usual suspects make the big bucks. Renewables with Storage will continue to be more efficient and cheaper but the real problem is no one owns the energy source. I wouldn't be surprised if your lot start penalising people who dare install/use renewables.
Groundrelay
If you took all the subsidies away it wouldn't be able to compete, I think that point has been made many, many times. Take away the massive subsidies that we're all forced to pay - each grid consumer pays a direct $170 per year direct to subsidise unreliables on top of all the direct capital grants they get from the government like the Andrews government gave out the other day. If unreliables didn't have so much taxpayer and power consumer money they wouldn't be viable - full-stop.

What do you mean "your lot", where have I ever said that I vote LNP?
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Agree.  Big energy companies don't like decentralisation.  It needs to be a decent mix of large and small scale power gen - but that can be a big challenge to power distribution networks.  Which is where battery storage can help as a quick response 'gap-filler' as had been demonstrated rather successfully in South Australia over the past year.
Carnot
I'm so glad that battery is there - it really brings me peace of mind knowing that I'm paying the very highest domestic rates of electricity IN THE WORLD for the sake of things like that piece of cr*p.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
So Turnbull has seen off a leadership challenge this morning and his Home Affairs Minister is off the back-bench.

Mortally wounded now - I can't see Turnbull making it to the end of the year now, especially given the narrowness of the poll.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Malcolm's rush to a surprise leadership poll has seen him mortally wounded - he won't last (News.com.au);

Despite its well-publicised build up, this morning’s ballot came as a surprise. Neither Mr Turnbull nor his prospective replacement had begun officially courting support by ringing around and gathering their numbers.

As journalist Patricia Karvelas noted on ABC News, considering this, the result for Malcolm Turnbull was “absolutely devastating”.

“Peter Dutton has managed to get 35 votes without the kind of preparation that usually an aspirant has,” Karvelas said.

Mr Turnbull may have been pouncing to take advantage of his opponents’ lack of preparation, but in doing so he has provided a compelling test case. If this is the kind of result Mr Dutton and his supporters can turn up at zero notice, imagine what kind of numbers a fully fledged internal campaign could yield.

Malcolm's tactic may see him out of a job - I'll be interested to have a look at Sportsbet and see what the odds of an election are at the moment - I'm sure they're all over the place!
  Greensleeves Chief Commissioner

Location: If it isn't obvious by now, it should be.
Meanwhile, the Betoota Advocate is on point again with this one:

https://betootaadvocate.com/breaking-news/bill-shorten-begins-studying-videos-of-steven-bradburys-2002-olympic-gold-medal-win/
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Katherine McGregor writing in The Age calls for Tony Abbott to come back to the top job in order to save us from more instability: Fairfax-

Tony Abbott is the obvious choice to return to the leadership. In February 2017 I suggested to Abbott that Turnbull would implode on account of his total lack of political acumen. For his part I urged that he should emulate Paul Keating by forcing the party to come to him when it finally despaired of the Pretender. Far from being the monster caricatured by his detractors, Abbott is a vulnerable, passionate human being. He could not let his grievances go. His wounds were simply too deep and at times he was not the man I know he is capable of being. We clashed over marriage equality and I was disappointed at his flirtation with Pauline Hanson. But he is the only senior Liberal capable of stemming the defections among the party’s core constituency. He is the only proven election winner inside the Coalition...

...On more than one occasion I have observed that Abbott was closer than Turnbull to the centre of gravity of the Coalition on energy policy. As in 2009, Turnbull’s cloth ear to the yearning of a party to which he only notionally belongs has brought him to a fatal reckoning.

It's energy policy that continues to cruel Turnbull's stewardship of the top job. He needs to bury the NEG once and for all to have any hope of retaining the leadership.
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

Energy policy / climate change has been the undoing of every PM since Johnny Howard.
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

Katherine McGregor writing in The Age calls for Tony Abbott to come back to the top job in order to save us from more instability: Fairfax-

Tony Abbott is the obvious choice to return to the leadership. In February 2017 I suggested to Abbott that Turnbull would implode on account of his total lack of political acumen. For his part I urged that he should emulate Paul Keating by forcing the party to come to him when it finally despaired of the Pretender. Far from being the monster caricatured by his detractors, Abbott is a vulnerable, passionate human being. He could not let his grievances go. His wounds were simply too deep and at times he was not the man I know he is capable of being. We clashed over marriage equality and I was disappointed at his flirtation with Pauline Hanson. But he is the only senior Liberal capable of stemming the defections among the party’s core constituency. He is the only proven election winner inside the Coalition...

...On more than one occasion I have observed that Abbott was closer than Turnbull to the centre of gravity of the Coalition on energy policy. As in 2009, Turnbull’s cloth ear to the yearning of a party to which he only notionally belongs has brought him to a fatal reckoning.

It's energy policy that continues to cruel Turnbull's stewardship of the top job. He needs to bury the NEG once and for all to have any hope of retaining the leadership.
don_dunstan
I hate to say it, but Abbott was/is a failed leader.  A great opposition leader, but not much vision as a PM.
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

Abbott was/is a great politician. Nothing more.
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
Motion of no confidence underway in Parliament, it could go either way here, If Tones and Barnaby crosses the floor, it's bye bye Truffles

Kind Regards
  Groundrelay Chief Commissioner

Location: Surrounded by Trolls!
Abbott was/is a great politician. Nothing more.
michaelgm
Abbott was/is a !!!! of a politician. Nothing more.

I'd love to see a psychiatric comparison of him and Rudd.

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