Leaked list claims government planning billion-dollar splurge on marginal seats

 

News article: Leaked list claims government planning billion-dollar splurge on marginal seats

Scott Morrison said infrastructure commitments would be made but would neither confirm nor deny the claims

  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
This article suggests a BIG BIG splurge on infrastructure to try and win back the community. Given Victoria has written off the liberal party at a federal level there is very little spending been slated.

Victoria, Australian Capital Territory, New South Wales: $1.5bn for pre-construction for high-speed rail connecting Newcastle, Sydney, Canberra and Melbourne
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What is nice is the $1.5b for high speed rail between Melbourne - Canberra and Sydney which is excellent news.  This will put us on the way to the first high speed line in Australia.

Leaked list claims government planning billion-dollar splurge on marginal seats

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  SinickleBird Chief Train Controller

Location: Qantas Club at Mudgee International Airport
I tend to view anything I read in print media these days (including websites of print media such as Guardian) through a jaundiced prism.

My working assumption is that ‘investigative journalism ‘ no longer exists. Journalists publish what they are given, or what they find. And, strangely, nobody like stories attributed to them - as if being a source of facts would be shameful. If they were facts in the first place.

Which leads to two fundamental questions:

1. Who is feeding information to the journalist? Leaking sounds so much more exciting. And inventing sounds so much less credible.

2. What is their agenda? No-one just reports facts anymore. There’s always an agenda.

Sad but true.
  mikesyd Chief Commissioner

Location: Lurking
This article suggests a BIG BIG splurge on infrastructure to try and win back the community. Given Victoria has written off the liberal party at a federal level there is very little spending been slated.

Victoria, Australian Capital Territory, New South Wales: $1.5bn for pre-construction for high-speed rail connecting Newcastle, Sydney, Canberra and Melbourne

What is nice is the $1.5b for high speed rail between Melbourne - Canberra and Sydney which is excellent news.  This will put us on the way to the first high speed line in Australia.

Leaked list claims government planning billion-dollar splurge on marginal seats
bevans
Don't overlook that the $1.5Bn is for "pre-construction for high-speed rail connecting Newcastle, Sydney, Canberra and Melbourne". In other words, fees to be paid to their consultant mates to conjure up another feasibility study in line with the script that will be provided by Sir Humphrey Appleby.
  8077 Chief Train Controller

Location: Crossing the Rubicon
Why not spend the money on bringing this country into the 21st century?

I recall money being allocated by Morrison for land acquisition for the project could this be a part of that?
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
Imagine what $1.5B could do if spent on the Syd-Mel corridor now!
  8077 Chief Train Controller

Location: Crossing the Rubicon
Imagine what $1.5B could do if spent on the Syd-Mel corridor now!
RTT_Rules

Is that really the answer?
  7334 Chief Commissioner

Location: In the workshop wondering why I started 7334 in the first place
Imagine what $1.5B could do if spent on the Syd-Mel corridor now!

Is that really the answer?
8077
It would be a whole lot more useful than wasting a heap of money on yet another series of reports on something which is not going to happen.  If you think it will then dream on but preferably not on my taxpayer dollar.
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

I've said it before and I'll say it again - the Melbourne-Sydney corridor is ripe for a massive upgrade.

$1.5b would pay for Class 1 most of the way and maybe even some curve/grade easing. It's low hanging fruit.
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
And considering the investment in road projects along that route $1.5b would be a small amount in comparison.
  MetroFemme Chief Train Controller

The amount above is $1.5 billion dollars unless it is an error.
  Sulla1 Chief Commissioner

Spending $1.5-billion on the existing multi-purpose corridor to ease curves and gradients, and improving overall performance times and efficiency for freight and passenger services would be infinitely better for the national economy than squirreling away $1.5-billion for a political boondoogle that will be just another election promise for the next twenty years. This is the kind of "spending" that really is just being seen to be doing something when actually not doing anything at all.

Regardless of the what a high-speed rail corridor will offer to the travelling public and intermediate cities, providing it against the current backdrop of environmental red-tape, Federal, State and Local government bureaucracies, and widespread NIMBY-ism is next to impossible now. Whether we like it or not, modifying the existing corridor is pretty much the only way forward unless the delivery process for major infrastructure projects is radically changed at a political level.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

Haven't we had enough about this. We don't need high speed rail regardless of how nice it would be to have. It will cost a fortune to build and then a fortune to maintain all while losing huge amounts of money to do what exactly other then provide some rail fans with a 300km/h trip. It does nothing to boost our economy whichs need better freight rail lines.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
Haven't we had enough about this. We don't need high speed rail regardless of how nice it would be to have. It will cost a fortune to build and then a fortune to maintain all while losing huge amounts of money to do what exactly other then provide some rail fans with a 300km/h trip. It does nothing to boost our economy whichs need better freight rail lines.
simstrain
wow, I agree with sims on somthing
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
Haven't we had enough about this. We don't need high speed rail regardless of how nice it would be to have. It will cost a fortune to build and then a fortune to maintain all while losing huge amounts of money to do what exactly other then provide some rail fans with a 300km/h trip. It does nothing to boost our economy whichs need better freight rail lines.
wow, I agree with sims on somthing
Dangersdan707
These forums are full of surprises, and at heart we all agree on some basics Wink
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Haven't we had enough about this. We don't need high speed rail regardless of how nice it would be to have. It will cost a fortune to build and then a fortune to maintain all while losing huge amounts of money to do what exactly other then provide some rail fans with a 300km/h trip. It does nothing to boost our economy whichs need better freight rail lines.
simstrain

This completely misses the point of high speed rail.  The project will open up land and environment for those who can live outside of the major centres and are happy to commute.  It will also provide a better service between Melbourne and Canberra and Sydney for business and tourism.
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
Haven't we had enough about this. We don't need high speed rail regardless of how nice it would be to have. It will cost a fortune to build and then a fortune to maintain all while losing huge amounts of money to do what exactly other then provide some rail fans with a 300km/h trip. It does nothing to boost our economy whichs need better freight rail lines.

This completely misses the point of high speed rail.  The project will open up land and environment for those who can live outside of the major centres and are happy to commute.  It will also provide a better service between Melbourne and Canberra and Sydney for business and tourism.
bevans
You can do 99% of that with the current network.

And most of these centres dont want to be dormitories for the cities.  They want good connections, but ive heard from some people in some of the cities that they dont want to be like Ballarat where people get on a train and go to Melbourne to work.  They want the jobs in their own town, with easy connection to the big cities that they can use each fortnight or so, not each day.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

This completely misses the point of high speed rail.  The project will open up land and environment for those who can live outside of the major centres and are happy to commute.  It will also provide a better service between Melbourne and Canberra and Sydney for business and tourism.
bevans
No it doesn't miss the point and a high speed rail will do none of the things you have suggested. fibre to the premise can easily solve the business equation and we have a profitable airline industry that doesn't require subsidies for tourists.

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