SA to keep Overland running

 
  kipioneer Chief Commissioner

Location: Aberfoyle Park
The "Health Bus" operated by Country Health seems a better option for regional people needing care in Adelaide.

This works as well as specialists keeping time and not running late.

Yorke Peninsula service (scroll down for description)

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  kipioneer Chief Commissioner

Location: Aberfoyle Park
No need to look to Victoria - there should be some 25 year old HST sets available from the UK as the Great Western main line is electrified!
25+++! The HSTs date from 1975-1982 so are 36-43 years old.

Clapped out orphans...
The Vinelander
Many sets have been refurbished but in any case we need'nt worry - they are destined for Scotland as their replacements come online.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
No need to look to Victoria - there should be some 25 year old HST sets available from the UK as the Great Western main line is electrified!
25+++! The HSTs date from 1975-1982 so are 36-43 years old.

Clapped out orphans...
Many sets have been refurbished but in any case we need'nt worry - they are destined for Scotland as their replacements come online.
kipioneer
What are they going to do in Scotland with those aging HST's?
  kipioneer Chief Commissioner

Location: Aberfoyle Park
No need to look to Victoria - there should be some 25 year old HST sets available from the UK as the Great Western main line is electrified!
25+++! The HSTs date from 1975-1982 so are 36-43 years old.

Clapped out orphans...
Many sets have been refurbished but in any case we need'nt worry - they are destined for Scotland as their replacements come online.
What are they going to do in Scotland with those aging HST's?
don_dunstan
Upgrade services from Edinburg and Glasgow to the north - Inverness, etc.    I guess they are replacing even older stock that Scotrail is in charge of!    

The sets Great Western are using aren't bad but I have only had experience on a couple - London - Swindon and Swindon - London.    Commuter runs really, I think they were on their way to or coming back from Cardiff a mere 208 km.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

They will be converted to meet modern regulations, shortened to 4-5 passenger cars per set (due to the high cost of the refurb) and will spend their latter days trundling around on internal inter-city services from Glasgow/Edinburgh to Aberdeen/Inverness etc. It will be an appropriately gentle retirement for them, since many of them can't hit 125mph with a full length 8-9 car load these days.

Abellio are only taking a handful for Scotrail service, the majority are going to get scrapped. They are clapped out and the trailing cars need significant investment to stay in service beyond 31/12/2019 when new accessibility regulations take effect and drop toilets finally get banned.

@kipioneer, you might be interested to learn they will be replacing modern Bombardier 'Turbostar' DMUs and will be the oldest trains in the Abellio Scotrail fleet!
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

@kipioneer the Inter City 125 trains are basically shot. The Overland does not need more old vintage stock. The service should be removed from GSR and given to V/line to operate using modified velocities.

Michael
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
@kipioneer the Inter City 125 trains are basically shot. The Overland does not need more old vintage stock. The service should be removed from GSR and given to V/line to operate using modified velocities.

Michael
mejhammers1
I doubt Replacing the Ex CR and AN stock will improve service times and speed. The Current stock will do until the necessary Track upgrades have taken place to allow higher speed running and the crossing upgrades for the Vlos. That is if it ever happens. Vline Running the Ex (who ever owns em) GSR stock probably would suffice for the near future.
  kipioneer Chief Commissioner

Location: Aberfoyle Park
@kipioneer the Inter City 125 trains are basically shot. The Overland does not need more old vintage stock. The service should be removed from GSR and given to V/line to operate using modified velocities.

Michael
mejhammers1
I wasn't being entirely serious, you know, just pointing out we can look beyond Australia for vehicles.

The basic problem still exists - not enough traffic for a relatively long and slow journey.

Any new operator is going to have to make a very sound business case for whatever vehicles are being used.     The cost of the vehicles, whether it is the lease of them or depreciation on owned assets, and if the assets are owned the cost of the money to buy them, the cost of the paths, staff and of haulage must be met by the number of customers and any subsidy which shouldn't be too great.

As I have said, if the service isn't daily it might as well not run.
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

Vox pop in the Wimmera Mail-Times yesterday basically sums up the situation. Quotes verbatim, my comments in brackets.

Laurie Mann: How many people use it, that is the question. [Spot on.]

Julie Madden: The Overland is a great way to travel. I use regularly this service. Is there a petition we can sign? [The only person who actually admits to using the thing.]

Lorraine Whitehead: We need to keep this train running, it's the best way to travel long-distance. [We need to - ie the Victorian taxpayer needs to!]

Shayne Jakobi: Hope not. I to do remember this service. It was running every night as I worked at Dimboola in the early 80s. And it was booked out. [Yep, it was. And?]

Michelle Benson: The old adage… if you don't use it, you lose it. [Yep.]

Sue Ahern: Hope not it's a great service! [How often do you use it, Sue?]

Barry Pryor: When we worked at Serviceton with V/Line it used to run at night, with 18 cars every night. [Again, and?]

I guess the point is if the present service was really providing any sort of utility to the locals of the Western District you could have expected a more enthusiastic response than "gee, it used to be really great". Admittedly, it's a small sample size, and as you know, I'm a big believer in the "build it and they will come" principle, but I struggle to see the Vics stumping up the cash to run it outright with very little political gain.

Furthermore, if Mildura can't get a train back, with long-standing community sentiment and organisation in favour of it, what hope do these places have?
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Seriously? A pensioner doing a shark dive?

They love it
Captainchoochoo61
Its an alt plan to raising the old age pension age limit as a means of limiting the cost of the OAP to the taxpayer.
  Brucetiki Station Staff

Match scheduling can be a problem for attempting a passenger service.

A Thursday night match involving an Adelaide team would require a Thursday day service one way or the other and a very late evening service back the other way or a Friday day service.    Then it is either a Friday night service for a Saturday game or Saturday night for a Sunday game.

If one of the SA teams plays in Melbourne Saturday and the other in Adelaide Sunday then you need a Friday night service over, it could leave late and arrive late morning, and a Saturday night service back, with a return service to Melbourne Sunday night.   That's not balanced

Some weeks the second SA game won't involve a Victorian team, rather it will involve a team from Sydney, Brisbane or Perth, perhaps this will apply to both SA teams.

These services wouldn't run every week and to a different pattern every week.

A commuter service needs to be every day to the same pattern.

The football services could be run as premium fare, and service, services with buses being utilised to and from the games.
kipioneer

It would also be competition against the Crows Supporter Group buses, who already do all Victorian games (and even the Canberra game this season) for a reasonable price.  Sometimes the buses aren't overly full, what chance would you have with trains?

While I'd love for there to be footy trains, for the 10-12 times it would be done per season (plus short notice ones for finals), I'm not sure if it's realistically possible.
  Captainchoochoo61 Locomotive Fireman

The Crows bus is $ 165 or $ 150 if a member
I would gladly pay at least 200 to go by train instead.

Like last year the airfares have gone crazy during finals
Melbourne supporters are currently being quoted 1600 dollars to get to Perth for next weeks preliminary.

It is cheaper at present to fly return to Dublin.

There is not likely to be a perfect storm very often to have a crowd coming to Adelaide and an Adelaide team in Melbourne but it could happen  sometimes

Now look at 10 sleepers at 400 dollars each  pax 80,000 dollars 10 situps for 600 pax @ 200 each  $ 120,000

Add the extras like catering and it could be made to be a good earner.

The subsidy from the current arrangement and number of pax at present does not add up to anything like that.

It is not a weekly commitment , just an arrangement to suit events.
  kipioneer Chief Commissioner

Location: Aberfoyle Park
You are assuming 100% loadings which, apparently, is not the case with the bus.

Then you need to subtract the costs: the path, the crew, the haulage and overheads.   This is before adding the cost of the vehicles, assuming some are available at reasonable cost not forgetting there may be quite expensive upgrading required.

Is a train still an attractive business case?

If the train was a charter with the running costs guaranteed and with ticketing the responsibility of the football club, then by all means run it, but the charterers are going to have to do their costings to see if it is viable to go down this path.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Is a train still an attractive business case?
kipioneer
My two cents is that I use the V/line bus a few times a year to visit family living near Ballarat when I'm not driving. It's cost effective if you're by yourself ($120 return is much less than the petrol would be) and it links with other V/line services that take me exactly where I need to be. I know there are people on this forum who hate "coaches" but I've usually found the Daylink buses to be really clean and modern and I bring a cushion so I can sleep as much as I can, it's really not that bad.
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
I did say a while back in response to james.au that I would jot down my thoughts.

Since then I did a straw poll of a handful of 30-something enthusiasts and to a man they said "kill it".

We keep going around and around in circles on this topic, some of what is said I agree with, most I don't.

I personally I think more could have been done in the past to save the service, but I think we passed the point of no return a few years back.

Faster schedules - 10.5 hours down to what, 8.5 hrs - will this be enough to entice motorists out of their cars/ get the frequent flyers to take a (still) longer journey. Don't bother commenting unless you have some estimated numbers.

New rolling stock - so in addition to the existing subsidy (see below), you want the state governments to increase that subsidy by at least another $1m a year in interest payments. Second-hand rolling stock (which includes existing Vlocitys) will not do - you are just perpetuating the existing problems. I notice few if any posters that have suggested this have mentioned the cost implications of new rolling stock - they still obviously believe in the tooth fairy.

Governments are already reluctant to provide a subsidy - don't imagine that the Vics aren't thinking the same thing. Their's is a bigger subsidy and they have an election coming up; I'm sure they are happy for SA to take the heat for now. Track upgrades, new rolling stock etc are only going to increase that subsidy.

What are you going to do to entice me to travel on The Overland? I love train travel and will probably make one more nostalgic trip before it finishes, but if I need to go to Melbourne for a few days I'll fly, I just don't have the time these days to consider the train as an option.

So I have to agree with the younger generation and say "kill it".
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
I did say a while back in response to james.au that I would jot down my thoughts.

Since then I did a straw poll of a handful of 30-something enthusiasts and to a man they said "kill it".

We keep going around and around in circles on this topic, some of what is said I agree with, most I don't.

I personally I think more could have been done in the past to save the service, but I think we passed the point of no return a few years back.

Faster schedules - 10.5 hours down to what, 8.5 hrs - will this be enough to entice motorists out of their cars/ get the frequent flyers to take a (still) longer journey. Don't bother commenting unless you have some estimated numbers.

New rolling stock - so in addition to the existing subsidy (see below), you want the state governments to increase that subsidy by at least another $1m a year in interest payments. Second-hand rolling stock (which includes existing Vlocitys) will not do - you are just perpetuating the existing problems. I notice few if any posters that have suggested this have mentioned the cost implications of new rolling stock - they still obviously believe in the tooth fairy.

Governments are already reluctant to provide a subsidy - don't imagine that the Vics aren't thinking the same thing. Their's is a bigger subsidy and they have an election coming up; I'm sure they are happy for SA to take the heat for now. Track upgrades, new rolling stock etc are only going to increase that subsidy.

What are you going to do to entice me to travel on The Overland? I love train travel and will probably make one more nostalgic trip before it finishes, but if I need to go to Melbourne for a few days I'll fly, I just don't have the time these days to consider the train as an option.

So I have to agree with the younger generation and say "kill it".
bingley hall
A few comments to above

1) The service is dying because it runs 2 x week. Seriously who would use it as a form of PT from one city to the next?

2) Numbers would be there if the train itself and frequency was half decent. The faster running time would be a benefit, but going from 11 to 8h only a little bit, but there is a difference leaving at 7am and arriving at 6pm vs 3pm. I'm sure one is less attractive than the other.

3) Why shouldn't the train be replaced with something new? If you give the public aging rolling stock, guess what their response will be? Nearly every pax train in Australia is run on the funding of the taxpayer, why should this one be different?

4) The Vic, Qld, WA and now NSW govt shortly have invested heavily in modernising much of their regional fleets and getting the results.

Modern rolling stock can also have much lower fuel and manning costs. 3 car DMU weighs only 30-40% more than the NR class hauling The Overland. Total weight of the Overland is around 300-400t, a 3 car V/locity weighs less than 180t and only needs one driver, not two.

A few comparable examples what Adel - Mel traffic could generate.

- Perth - Kal, 10 services a week, 3 car set
- NSW - NW - 7 services a week, 5 car set
- Syd - Mel, 14 services per week, 6 car sets
- Syd - Bris, 7 services per week, 6 car set and a shocking timetable
- Syd - Nth NSW, total of 21 services a week, 6 car sets each
- Bris - Rockhampton, 9 services a week RTT, 6 more on CTT, 6 car set

Not one of these makes money, but on the current fare structure are able to attract a moderate following to fill the above.
All compete against air, well they don't compete, the same sector is well services by air.

In comparison to driving, only Kal and Rocky come close to matching driving time, rest of much slower. Sydney to Canberra and Dubbo are at least 50% slower than driving for a much shorter trip. How many flights a day Syd - Can?

Overall Perth - Kal is probably the closest in regard to there is minimal mid way population, but still manages 10 services a week.

I agree with the young vote, kill the current service, but replace it with something more modern and usable.
- 6-7 days a week,
- long-haul 3 car V/locity
- Reduce the time down to 8-9 hr

Two sets, one based in Mel, the other in Adel, both serviced in Mel and provided a 24h layover on a 6 day a week timetable for servicing. One crew based in Mel, the other Adel. They swap half way, so always go home to the Mrs/Mr, not a hotel.

The comparable data points in the direction you will likely fill it most days of the week.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
The younger generation have no concept of the journey being part of the holiday experience. They get into aeroplanes that are cramped like buses for a few hours and their holiday experience starts at the destination. What's to enjoy or remember about a cramped aeroplane, the arduous security checks and paying for a few kg over in excess baggage Question

However as one gets older the journey becomes more important. The train needs replacing with a DMU that will happily sit on 130 km/h and it has to be a DAILY service.

Your straw poll of the younger generation is unfortunately flawed.

Mike.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
The younger generation have no concept of the journey being part of the holiday experience. They get into aeroplanes that are cramped like buses for a few hours and their holiday experience starts at the destination. What's to enjoy or remember about a cramped aeroplane, the arduous security checks and paying for a few kg over in excess baggage Question

However as one gets older the journey becomes more important. The train needs replacing with a DMU that will happily sit on 130 km/h and it has to be a DAILY service.

Your straw poll of the younger generation is unfortunately flawed.

Mike.
The Vinelander
Agree, but 100yr before, they would have said the same about a stage coach vs a train. When travelling half way around the world to some place exotic, fun or historic. You want to get there ASAP as AL is limited.

Advantage of a daily service is that it can also be used to solve a few other calls for improved PT on both sides of the border. ie Mt Barker, Aararat, Horsham, Stawell, Ballarat to Geelong etc. One bullet - many birds etc etc
  SA_trains Deputy Commissioner

Location: ACT
The younger generation have no concept of the journey being part of the holiday experience. They get into aeroplanes that are cramped like buses for a few hours and their holiday experience starts at the destination. What's to enjoy or remember about a cramped aeroplane, the arduous security checks and paying for a few kg over in excess baggage Question


Mike.
The Vinelander

Hi Mike,

I don't agree with the youth comment entirely. I have a lot of experience in rubbing shoulders (even as an "old" man) with the young back-packer community. PLENTY, like to travel by train so that they can see the countryside. Remember, it is all new to them! BUT the other aspect, is that they will also fly to get to a destination for an "event". Don't discount the youth travelling for travel.

That said, the "Overland" as a train or as a rail-car set is not going to exist on back packers alone. But as others have said, frequency needs to be increased, time shortened, and turn it into a proper service. Probably a rail-car service.

Sadly, I can't see the current authorities investing to do this....
  SA_trains Deputy Commissioner

Location: ACT


In comparison to driving, only Kal and Rocky come close to matching driving time, rest of much slower. Sydney to Canberra and Dubbo are at least 50% slower than driving for a much shorter trip. How many flights a day Syd - Can?
RTT_Rules

For the SYD-CBR link, there are three trains per day, each direction in a rail-car set. It is well patronised. It is about four'ish hours long. About an hour longer than the bus/car.

How many flights per day between SYD-CBR???? HEAPS! Probably in the order of about 40/day, probably less on weekends. A flight is about two-hours when considering minimum check-in to arrival (security, boarding, flight, disembarking, departing the airport), And then you need to get to/from the airport. The time difference is surprisingly not that different! It can take 40-60 minutes to get into the city from the airport in a taxi.

The two services (plus the buses) seemingly co-exist well.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Advantage of a daily service is that it can also be used to solve a few other calls for improved PT on both sides of the border. ie Mt Barker, Aararat, Horsham, Stawell, Ballarat to Geelong etc. One bullet - many birds etc etc
RTT_Rules
It can't really call at Mt Barker, it's actually a few km's off the main line on a now-closed branch.

The SA govt. paid GSR and ARTC some money a long time ago to ensure that the train continued to call at Bordertown the theory being it was good for local tourism - now that it's only running two times a week it's probably not worth the money spent.

Nhill, Dimboola, Horsham, Stawell and Ararat all could benefit from a new daily return service but as discussed before it really needs to go through Ballarat to be use-able for those towns, much of the V/line traffic from those towns will only want to go to Ballarat and no further.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
I did say a while back in response to james.au that I would jot down my thoughts.

Since then I did a straw poll of a handful of 30-something enthusiasts and to a man they said "kill it".

We keep going around and around in circles on this topic, some of what is said I agree with, most I don't.

I personally I think more could have been done in the past to save the service, but I think we passed the point of no return a few years back.

Faster schedules - 10.5 hours down to what, 8.5 hrs - will this be enough to entice motorists out of their cars/ get the frequent flyers to take a (still) longer journey. Don't bother commenting unless you have some estimated numbers.

New rolling stock - so in addition to the existing subsidy (see below), you want the state governments to increase that subsidy by at least another $1m a year in interest payments. Second-hand rolling stock (which includes existing Vlocitys) will not do - you are just perpetuating the existing problems. I notice few if any posters that have suggested this have mentioned the cost implications of new rolling stock - they still obviously believe in the tooth fairy.

Governments are already reluctant to provide a subsidy - don't imagine that the Vics aren't thinking the same thing. Their's is a bigger subsidy and they have an election coming up; I'm sure they are happy for SA to take the heat for now. Track upgrades, new rolling stock etc are only going to increase that subsidy.

What are you going to do to entice me to travel on The Overland? I love train travel and will probably make one more nostalgic trip before it finishes, but if I need to go to Melbourne for a few days I'll fly, I just don't have the time these days to consider the train as an option.

So I have to agree with the younger generation and say "kill it".
A few comments to above

1) The service is dying because it runs 2 x week. Seriously who would use it as a form of PT from one city to the next?

2) Numbers would be there if the train itself and frequency was half decent. The faster running time would be a benefit, but going from 11 to 8h only a little bit, but there is a difference leaving at 7am and arriving at 6pm vs 3pm. I'm sure one is less attractive than the other.

3) Why shouldn't the train be replaced with something new? If you give the public aging rolling stock, guess what their response will be? Nearly every pax train in Australia is run on the funding of the taxpayer, why should this one be different?

4) The Vic, Qld, WA and now NSW govt shortly have invested heavily in modernising much of their regional fleets and getting the results.

Modern rolling stock can also have much lower fuel and manning costs. 3 car DMU weighs only 30-40% more than the NR class hauling The Overland. Total weight of the Overland is around 300-400t, a 3 car V/locity weighs less than 180t and only needs one driver, not two.

A few comparable examples what Adel - Mel traffic could generate.

- Perth - Kal, 10 services a week, 3 car set
- NSW - NW - 7 services a week, 5 car set
- Syd - Mel, 14 services per week, 6 car sets
- Syd - Bris, 7 services per week, 6 car set and a shocking timetable
- Syd - Nth NSW, total of 21 services a week, 6 car sets each
- Bris - Rockhampton, 9 services a week RTT, 6 more on CTT, 6 car set

Not one of these makes money, but on the current fare structure are able to attract a moderate following to fill the above.
All compete against air, well they don't compete, the same sector is well services by air.

In comparison to driving, only Kal and Rocky come close to matching driving time, rest of much slower. Sydney to Canberra and Dubbo are at least 50% slower than driving for a much shorter trip. How many flights a day Syd - Can?

Overall Perth - Kal is probably the closest in regard to there is minimal mid way population, but still manages 10 services a week.

I agree with the young vote, kill the current service, but replace it with something more modern and usable.
- 6-7 days a week,
- long-haul 3 car V/locity
- Reduce the time down to 8-9 hr

Two sets, one based in Mel, the other in Adel, both serviced in Mel and provided a 24h layover on a 6 day a week timetable for servicing. One crew based in Mel, the other Adel. They swap half way, so always go home to the Mrs/Mr, not a hotel.

The comparable data points in the direction you will likely fill it most days of the week.
RTT_Rules
That's all very good, but I can't see where the bucket loads of funding Is going to come from the upgrade the Western Standard Gauge to bring It up to Public Transport Victoria / V/Line standards to permit the operation of Diesel Railcars.

Level crossings would be suitable between Melbourne and Gheringhap (up to 115 km/h) but beyond there massive upgrading would be required.

Very little votes In It, so I can't see any Government doing anything other than what they do now.

As for the South Australia government, I suspect their funding ability to upgrade regional rail Is extremely limited !  

South Australia really need to build the Lynton - Verdum railway tunnel under the Mount Lofty Rangers to speed up their end and make passenger rail competitive with road between places like Bridgewater, Murray Bridge, etc and Adelaide City Station
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
That's all very good, but I can't see where the bucket loads of funding Is going to come from the upgrade the Western Standard Gauge to bring It up to Public Transport Victoria / V/Line standards to permit the operation of Diesel Railcars.

Level crossings would be suitable between Melbourne and Gheringhap (up to 115 km/h) but beyond there massive upgrading would be required.

Very little votes In It, so I can't see any Government doing anything other than what they do now.

As for the South Australia government, I suspect their funding ability to upgrade regional rail Is extremely limited !  

South Australia really need to build the Lynton - Verdum railway tunnel under the Mount Lofty Rangers to speed up their end and make passenger rail competitive with road between places like Bridgewater, Murray Bridge, etc and Adelaide City Station
Nightfire
Q
What upgrade is required to take a V/locity over a loco hauled?

Did NSW have to undertake the same upgrades for the XPL network which includes out to Broken Hill?

Qld slows the RTT and CTT past unprotected LX to 100km/h for the duration of the LX only.

DMU's can easily operate at current train speeds, its better performance will give it an overall time advantage and perhaps there are some sections were +115 can be easily accommodated with minimal investment.

SA used to run DMU's to Mt Gambier if I recall, so obviously its worked in the past.

As we mentioned above, total trip time isn't the biggest issue its made out to be. Its lack of services and use of dated rolling stock that would have a bigger issue. Simply converting to a DMU such as V/locity or Prospector (something with grunt, not a XPL), gives far better performance. Look at Qld when converting from loco hauled to the ICE set's to Rocky, saved 2h or so.
  DJPeters Deputy Commissioner

To be impolite the service went into cardiac arrest years ago but no one is willing to put it out of it's misery.

If it goes how many will actually miss it exclude rail enthusiasts from this, the answer not many most probably.  Those that do miss the service will find alternate means to get to Melbourne or Adelaide depending on which way they are travelling. But as a rabid rail enthusiast who might want to go to Melbourne in the future from Adelaide I would fly as it is qucker, gives me all day to get about, and I can return when I want to return almost, not have to wait a day or two for the return trip of the train. I have done the trip years ago in SAR days and running at night at least let you arrive rested for the day ahead at your destination. But even I as an oldie can see that travelling during the day is just wasting the day almost. As for scenery through places like the 90 Mile Desert as it is called you are not missing anything except monotony. Been through there in daylight years back by train and was bored stupid almost.

As there are no longer any free trips with your pension anymore then flying is the cheaper method even for us pensioners who need to save any amount of money they can. Sure there is still a discount fare but before I could get to Bordertown free and just pay the concession fare from there to Melbourne, but now I have to pay the fare the whole way from Adelaide. I am single and could afford it, except I would rather travel at night. But married pensioner couples are never going to be able to afford it now. So that will mean even less people will use the service. Kill it now and if V/Line run a service to replace it, their side of the border then all will be well as not many places in SA does the Overland still stop at. So no one really this side of the border would really miss it.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Q
What upgrade is required to take a V/locity over a loco hauled?

Did NSW have to undertake the same upgrades for the XPL network which includes out to Broken Hill?

Qld slows the RTT and CTT past unprotected LX to 100km/h for the duration of the LX only.

RTT_Rules
In Victoria every level crossing would have to be upgraded to lights and boom gates ells a bureaucratic 75-80 km/h maximum railcar speed limit would apply (see the ongoing dramas on the Bendigo - Echuca line)

Victoria Is unfortunate to have suffered a string of nasty horror level crossing collisions, that has caused the rail safety bureaucrats to Insist that extensive / expensive safety upgrades must be carried out.

Also the driving standards of Victorian motorists continues to deteriorate.

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