Yes, the two NR's do the entire trip Adelaide to Darwin and back again, then quite often they the next trip and the next

How many times/where do the locos have to refuel?

Do the powervans need refuelling too, please? If so where and how?

How long is a piece of String and How far can you walk into a forest before leaving it?

Yes, the power cars burn fuel and Yes, it would have to be refueled.
This would depend on how big the tanks are and how many litres per hour is consumed.
Once those details are known, you would then arrange to the tanks to be refueled at the most suitable location. This could be based on where its cheaper to obtain sufficient fuel rather than a location.
I would be surprised if the Driver/Guard or Train manager didnt record these details at the beginning of the journey and recheck the levels every time the Train stops for any lenght of time.
I walked through the IP once when it suffered a power failure and with only the emergency lights on and no ventilation, it was most unpleasant.

You seem to have missed the point of the last couple of posts in this thread which cover the journey from Adelaide to Darwin on the Ghan .

N463 asked re the refueling of the NRs enroute and I asked about the powervans. I assume that the locos take fuel from road tankers (?) at Alice Springs (?) but I have no idea about the powervans.

On this route the availability of loco and powervan fueling locations are few and far between and cost comparisons do not, I suspect, come into it.

Overall, the questions have little to do with pieces of string or forests. The outstanding questions can be summarised as:

• Where do Ghan locos take fuel between Adelaide and Darwin. (Or do they just scrape through, perhaps?)
• Is refueling of the powervan/s necessary enroute. I have my doubts but I don't know that either?

To the foregoing I will add a third question.

• Does GSR run a Train Technician on the Ghan like CR used to do on the Trans and Indian Pacific?

Why was the original Ghan line deserted?
Bloody oath its an engineering feat, like most remote long distance lines in the country, building and maintenance in places with no access in cuttings, high places and just no access track add to a massive pain in the smeg.

Couple of bridges but not a lot of engineering otherwise.
Logistics, yes but no 'feats of engineering'.
Looking at the Ghan video the other day it appears that there was very little shoulder ballast on the route between Alice and Darwin which may fit with the line having been built on the cheap.

Why was the original Ghan line deserted?
Bloody oath its an engineering feat, like most remote long distance lines in the country, building and maintenance in places with no access in cuttings, high places and just no access track add to a massive pain in the smeg.

The original Line to Alice Spring followed the western edge of the Flinders Ranges and was subject to Flash Flooding. Further North it crossed the Finke River, and after many wash a-ways in the early years the track was simple re-laid across the river bed and would just get washed away during a flood. Trains would simply wait until flood waters receded and track was re-laid.
Delays at Finke could easily be weeks or months!

What about the Trans Line, build long ago in the Steam age!

Yes, the two NR's do the entire trip Adelaide to Darwin and back again, then quite often they the next trip and the next

How many times/where do the locos have to refuel?

Do the powervans need refuelling too, please? If so where and how?

How long is a piece of String and How far can you walk into a forest before leaving it?

Yes, the power cars burn fuel and Yes, it would have to be refueled.
This would depend on how big the tanks are and how many litres per hour is consumed.
Once those details are known, you would then arrange to the tanks to be refueled at the most suitable location. This could be based on where its cheaper to obtain sufficient fuel rather than a location.
I would be surprised if the Driver/Guard or Train manager didnt record these details at the beginning of the journey and recheck the levels every time the Train stops for any lenght of time.
I walked through the IP once when it suffered a power failure and with only the emergency lights on and no ventilation, it was most unpleasant.

You seem to have missed the point of the last couple of posts in this thread which cover the journey from Adelaide to Darwin on the Ghan .

N463 asked re the refueling of the NRs enroute and I asked about the powervans. I assume that the locos take fuel from road tankers (?) at Alice Springs (?) but I have no idea about the powervans.

On this route the availability of loco and powervan fueling locations are few and far between and cost comparisons do not, I suspect, come into it.

Overall, the questions have little to do with pieces of string or forests. The outstanding questions can be summarised as:

• Where do Ghan locos take fuel between Adelaide and Darwin. (Or do they just scrape through, perhaps?)
• Is refueling of the powervan/s necessary enroute. I have my doubts but I don't know that either?

To the foregoing I will add a third question.

• Does GSR run a Train Technician on the Ghan like CR used to do on the Trans and Indian Pacific?

Ok One thing to remember here, policy on the Alice - Darwin portion requires 2 locos in case of failure (Long rescue distances) In effect one NR can safely haul the Ghan, so the 2nd is either shut down or in idle. At one time they would power the 2nd NR for the Alice Darwin Portion and have the lead NR in idle.

As far as I remember there was no refuelling enroute, I'd imagine the loco and power vans would be refuelled at Darwin as they are at Adelaide (via mobile truck tanker)
I'm not sure what range the powervans have, maybe time to ask Xdford

Thanks Pressman.
Makes sense had I stopped and thought (about the NRs anyway).
I know of one powervan that ran for about a week albeit with a lesser load.

Something on sunrise this morning about former ARHS ACTs Garret at therlimer?

A new Subaru ad has a father and his young son driving through the bush when they are stopped at a lonely level crossing. The son evidently has the gunzel genes and he and his father get out of the car and watch the train go by.

Anyone seen it and know where it was filmed? Can't find a video yet.

Anyone watching the Michael P show as he travels around India by train?

Anyone watching the Michael P show as he travels around India by train?

Yes as good as the rest of his shows and better than the competition.
Provides a good mix of rail and items of tourist interest.
Far better that the Chris Tarrant shows many/most of which seem to depend on cancelled services and contrived 'disasters' (as do most of these sort of docos).
As for those other Pommie shows about Kings Cross station etc the less said the better.

Also available is slow train across Africa which has been fantastic although I was concerned about the lack of rail services in Tanzania.

Have you also seen Paddington a show about the railway station paddington is London?

Also available is slow train across Africa which has been fantastic although I was concerned about the lack of rail services in Tanzania.

Have you also seen Paddington a show about the railway station paddington is London?

I like slow train across Africa Nice bit of Colonial Gunzel relic fossicing. the one on Paddington is too over dramafied

Anyone watching the Michael P show as he travels around India by train?

Yes, I do on SBS. Hate the guy's politics though love the show. I have also watched the one he has done in mainland Europe and the middle east, Uk and United States series. India is the latest, I presume Australia is next

Did you realise that Michael is a former politician?

Did you realise that Michael is a former politician?

Yes, I already knew that. People on his Program at times mock him for his past political actions

A new Subaru ad has a father and his young son driving through the bush when they are stopped at a lonely level crossing. The son evidently has the gunzel genes and he and his father get out of the car and watch the train go by.

Anyone seen it and know where it was filmed? Can't find a video yet.

https://youtu.be/xz1zqo3kcUU

Dunno where it is, but it is staged (obviously). Look 40 seconds in, where they are looking back at the dad, with the flashlamps over their left shoulder. They aren't working, even though the train is still on the island track, then in the very next scene, the lamps are not illuminated over the top of the car. Even though you're admittedly well off centre, they should still be visible. At least the train had a BOG on the back...

You should remember that those shows made by Micheal P are intended for UK audiences as he travels according the guide as it was written by Bradshaw back in the early 1840's when the Railways were the 'Concorde Supersonic jet of the day'.
While the Railways were primarily intended to haul freight, it didnt take long to see the value they had in moving people for all reasons place to place.

Other Countries like Europe,Asia,America and Australia were soon swept up by the ability of a Railway to transport items like fresh produce long distances quickly to met a growing market.