Massive SSR grain train

 
Topic moved from New South Wales by bevans on 20 Jun 2018 13:10
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
is the train planning on coming back via Melbourne once loaded?

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  potatoinmymouth Assistant Commissioner

is the train planning on coming back via Melbourne once loaded?
x31
I don't know what the train thinks, really.
  mikesyd Chief Commissioner

Location: no longer in Sydney
is the train planning on coming back via Melbourne once loaded?
x31
Might I suggest that you read back a bit, not just the last couple of posts.
  mikesyd Chief Commissioner

Location: no longer in Sydney
Bing, do you have a rough idea of when it's due to begin the return journey?
  Jack Le Lievre Chief Train Controller

Location: Moolap Station, Vic
Bing, do you have a rough idea of when it's due to begin the return journey?
mikesyd
away from Dimboola at 17:05 E.S.T. and Glenorchy around 19:00 E.S.T. after combining the Two Halves. Running as 3KQ2.
  mikesyd Chief Commissioner

Location: no longer in Sydney
As I am driving from Sydney to Echuca today, I decided to detour in case I crossed the train. Lucky me, as I found it arriving in Junee at 11:50, passing through without stopping, and followed it back to Bethungra where it rounded the Spiral at 12:30. About 4 cars were in the road 'escort'.

RL302, RL306, C507, C505 + 100 hoppers + C510 and C506 on the rear.

Interestingly, as I pulled up near the Spiral, ABC Radio were interviewing someone from SSR about this train!!!
  7334 Chief Commissioner

Location: In the workshop wondering why I started 7334 in the first place
Anyone know the routing after Cootamundra?

Guessing they will not run it through Sydney or if they do not in one piece but who knows.
  mikesyd Chief Commissioner

Location: no longer in Sydney
I think it was mentioned earlier that part was destined for Parkes, and the rest to Narrabri. My guess would be that Parkes is the next stop after Cootamundra. remove part, rest to Narrabri via Binnaway etc.
  steamfreak Assistant Commissioner

Location: Wodonga, VIC
I noted the train at Gerogery this morning, stopped for crew change I think.  It departed around 9:00am with a lot of good noise from the tail end!
  mikesyd Chief Commissioner

Location: no longer in Sydney
I noted the train at Gerogery this morning, stopped for crew change I think.  It departed around 9:00am with a lot of good noise from the tail end!
steamfreak
It could be heard long before it came into sight on the spiral. An impressive show.
  BigShunter Deputy Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
Evening crew, some interesting info here, have a peek;

https://www.facebook.com/pg/abcwesternvic/posts/?ref=page_internal

BigShunter.
  mikesyd Chief Commissioner

Location: no longer in Sydney
Evening crew, some interesting info here, have a peek;

https://www.facebook.com/pg/abcwesternvic/posts/?ref=page_internal

BigShunter.
BigShunter
I think that's the interview that was being broadcast on the ABC as the train started climbing the Bethungra Spiral.
  mikesyd Chief Commissioner

Location: no longer in Sydney
And 3 photos from an amateur photographer, the first two at the Olympic Highway Level Crossing north of Illabo at about 60km/h, the third being the head end on the upper level of the Bethungra Spiral - the tail had not long disappeared at the left. The spiral one is not a good photo, made harder by using a phone as my camera was buried in a bag. There were a few others following, so look out in the usual places as there should be a few photos and videos show up in the next few days.

https://flic.kr/p/2aVKHP3

https://flic.kr/p/2aVKHyo

https://flic.kr/p/2aVKHjq
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
If there are 2x C Class on the rear, would it be possible that the wagons destined for Parkes might be split from the train somewhere east of the junction at Stockinbingal and the Cs would then take them through to Parkes from there? Seems like an efficient way to split the train?
  mikesyd Chief Commissioner

Location: no longer in Sydney
The 2 locos on the rear were there to save some couplers from having to be replaced I suspect. If those hoppers were loaded to capacity, 9000 tons or thereabouts was the load.
  michaelgm Assistant Commissioner

IIRC correctly, these are ex Leigh Creek coal wagons, converted to carry grain. The coalie operated with a longer train, with some sort of air compressor at the rear. Makes sense to have locos, shoving along and providing air capacity. As well as drawbar limitations.

Great pics on the spiral, even with phone.Very Happy
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
IIRC correctly, these are ex Leigh Creek coal wagons, converted to carry grain. The coalie operated with a longer train, with some sort of air compressor at the rear. Makes sense to have locos, shoving along and providing air capacity. As well as drawbar limitations.

Great pics on the spiral, even with phone.Very Happy
michaelgm
In the article it says that the ruling grade at Stawell was the problem in terms of drawbar weight restrictions and that is why the locos were put on the back.

And agree re spiral pic.

BG
  mikesyd Chief Commissioner

Location: no longer in Sydney
IIRC correctly, these are ex Leigh Creek coal wagons, converted to carry grain. The coalie operated with a longer train, with some sort of air compressor at the rear. Makes sense to have locos, shoving along and providing air capacity. As well as drawbar limitations.

Great pics on the spiral, even with phone.Very Happy
michaelgm
The man who was standing beside me, holding a real camera, has posted much better ones on FB. I would be shot of I lifted them and posted them here though, so I wont.
  BigShunter Deputy Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
Bit more info, from the Wimmera, on the Monster grain train, from GrainFlow, Dimboola.

https://www.dimboolacourier.com.au/news.php?newsid=4474

BigShunter.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
IIRC correctly, these are ex Leigh Creek coal wagons, converted to carry grain. The coalie operated with a longer train, with some sort of air compressor at the rear. Makes sense to have locos, shoving along and providing air capacity. As well as drawbar limitations.

Great pics on the spiral, even with phone.Very Happy
In the article it says that the ruling grade at Stawell was the problem in terms of drawbar weight restrictions and that is why the locos were put on the back.

And agree re spiral pic.

BG
BrentonGolding
The Stawell bank Is a 1 In 66 ruling grade

Heathcote Junction climb Is 1 In 48
  Valvegear The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Heathcote Junction climb Is 1 In 48
Nightfire
Ingliston is the famed 1 in 48; I think Heathcote Juction is more like 1 in 50. I'll look it up in the Grade Book when I get home today.

Edit: LowndesJ515 has beaten me to it - see his post below.
  LowndesJ515 #TeamRog

Location: Goulburn
IIRC correctly, these are ex Leigh Creek coal wagons, converted to carry grain. The coalie operated with a longer train, with some sort of air compressor at the rear. Makes sense to have locos, shoving along and providing air capacity. As well as drawbar limitations.

Great pics on the spiral, even with phone.Very Happy
In the article it says that the ruling grade at Stawell was the problem in terms of drawbar weight restrictions and that is why the locos were put on the back.

And agree re spiral pic.

BG
The Stawell bank Is a 1 In 66 ruling grade

Heathcote Junction climb Is 1 In 48
Nightfire
Stawell Bank shows on ARTC Grades that it is a 1 in 62 grade whereas old VR Grade Books show its a 1 in 50. Someone else might know if the grade was ever eased a bit. I go off the ARTC figure as they own the network.

ARTC shows Heathcote Junction as a 1 in 50 grade and so does the old VR Grade books. The Ruling Grade on the down between Melbourne and Seymour is actually Beveridge and not Heathcote Junction.

The different between the two grades (Stawell and Heathcote as pointed out by Nightfire) is the length of the climb. Heathcote is nothing compared to Stawell. The Stawell climb on the up is Approx 7.4km's long and the Heathcote Climb on the down is Approx 3km's long.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
The Stawell bank Is a 1 In 66 ruling grade

Heathcote Junction climb Is 1 In 48
Nightfire
If they were worried about Heathcote Junction but not Stawell they would have placed the locos on the back in Melbourne I would think, you wouldn't run bankers for the sake of it from Western Vic to Melbourne.

I was quoting the ABC Facebook article which quoted SSR's Mr Jones

""He said a special configuration was required at Stawell last night to get the 8500 tonne machine up a steep section of track.
“At Stawell it’s what we call the ruling grade so it’s the steepest section of track heading back into Melbourne," he said.
“Because of the sheer weight of this train the couplers on the locomotives aren’t rated high enough so in essence the weight of the train would likely break the couplers.""

BG
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Do we know precisely over which sections the rear end bankers were (a) attached (b) actually used/necessary, please?
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
The locos on the rear ran through to Cootmundra where the train was re-marshalled with all locos on the front through to Parkes.

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