Bankstown via Strathfield?

 
  sansjml Station Staff

Is this even possible?

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  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Easy.
Central to Strathfield, then via:
Lidcombe
Berala
Regents Park
Birrong
Yagoona
and on to Bankstown.

There are numerous regular trains scheduled as Central to Lidcombe via Bankstown, so the reverse is certainly possible.
  tazzer96 Deputy Commissioner

This used to be how the bankstown line regularly worked
  Transtopic Chief Train Controller

I believe there used to be a continuous loop in both directions from Central to Bankstown via Strathfield and Lidcombe and then return to Central on the Bankstown line via Sydenham, looping around the City Circle to start again (and vice versa).  The Clearways program introduced by the then Labor Government curtailed this pattern by constructing turn-backs at Homebush and Lidcombe to free up the Suburban tracks for South and Western Line services.  Although it's now academic in the light of the metro conversion, it might have been more prudent at the time to complete the sextup between Homebush and Lidcombe, albeit at greater expense, to maintain the continuous loop pattern and still free up capacity on the Suburban tracks.  The turn-backs were really the second best and cheaper option IMO. The completion of the sextup from Sydenham to Erskineville would have been complementary in allowing the Inner West and Bankstown Lines to operate as an almost completely segregated sector.  Others may disagree.
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
I believe there used to be a continuous loop in both directions from Central to Bankstown via Strathfield and Lidcombe and then return to Central on the Bankstown line via Sydenham, looping around the City Circle to start again (and vice versa).  The Clearways program introduced by the then Labor Government curtailed this pattern by constructing turn-backs at Homebush and Lidcombe to free up the Suburban tracks for South and Western Line services.  Although it's now academic in the light of the metro conversion, it might have been more prudent at the time to complete the sextup between Homebush and Lidcombe, albeit at greater expense, to maintain the continuous loop pattern and still free up capacity on the Suburban tracks.  The turn-backs were really the second best and cheaper option IMO. The completion of the sextup from Sydenham to Erskineville would have been complementary in allowing the Inner West and Bankstown Lines to operate as an almost completely segregated sector.  Others may disagree.
Transtopic
Totally agree with you on both Sex-ups.

Even to the point I think the Bankstown Metro should be dropped (unless it was to connect to Liverpool) and simply connected to the Western Metro, which is highly likely if ALP win next year (looking more likely they will)

Loop would run with a up and back from Homebush/Ashfield to Liverpool via CBD and Bankstown. But not completely segregated from rest of network due to East Hills on south side and Leppington via Gladsville. If it was just the city tunnels it would be more manageable, but  the Inner West pair of tracks would then be supporting three different services.

Problem also still exists on Bankstown line with Liverpool via Bankstown competing with Bankstown/loop trains and limited by East Hills traffic in the tunnels on how many you can actually run.

Moral of the story, the city still needs the western relief line. This PLUS the through METRO will leave plenty of capacity for Sydney CBD for decades to come. oh, get Illawarra out of ESR as well.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

Labor are no where near looking like they will get in next year. Even with all of the issues the libs supposedly have and there are many. People are seeing the infrastructure and remembering how bad labor was. Luke Foley and co just remind everybody how bad it was back then.
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

Labor are no where near looking like they will get in next year. Even with all of the issues the libs supposedly have and there are many. People are seeing the infrastructure and remembering how bad labor was. Luke Foley and co just remind everybody how bad it was back then.
simstrain
What about the 29% swing against the Liberals in the Wagga by election, a seat they previously held for 28 years. I don't know what facts you are basing such a ridiculous opinion on. Donkey Face is on the nose.
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
Labor are no where near looking like they will get in next year. Even with all of the issues the libs supposedly have and there are many. People are seeing the infrastructure and remembering how bad labor was. Luke Foley and co just remind everybody how bad it was back then.
simstrain
Don't disagree and I'm not promoting an ALP win for this reason, but Gladys is on a loosing streak with these bi-elections. LNP while improved under Gladyis and operating with one of the best bottom lines in Australian political history is still intent on pi$$ing people off with controversial policies.

Mike Baird will go down in history as the Premier who should have been able to do no wrong and had the next election on a plate with the voters, somehow managed to completely stuff it up in less than 3 years. Gladys should have learnt from this and only focus the rest of this term of govt on things people want/approve of.
  ivahri Train Controller

Labor are no where near looking like they will get in next year. Even with all of the issues the libs supposedly have and there are many. People are seeing the infrastructure and remembering how bad labor was. Luke Foley and co just remind everybody how bad it was back then.
What about the 29% swing against the Liberals in the Wagga by election, a seat they previously held for 28 years. I don't know what facts you are basing such a ridiculous opinion on. Donkey Face is on the nose.
nswtrains
Do you read the papers or watch the news? First, the previous member Macguire had been caught asking for money off a developer and had resigned in disgrace. That is reason 1 for the swing. Second, the dumping of Malcolm Turnbull also made the Liberal party look like idiots... That was reason 2 for the swing.

Now if you knew anything about politics you would know that many people vote for one party in one election & the other party in a different election.

Luke Foley has lots of baggage that people still haven't forgiven them for. Count your chickens now if you like, it just makes you look foolish the day after the election...

Lastly, calling someone "Donkey Face" demonstrates incredible immaturity. If you want to be taken seriously using schoolyard names is not the way to do it.
  newts Junior Train Controller

Location: penrith
yep......Donkey Face did it for me!!!!

Another outspoken and abhorrent leftie that has no respect for individuals....ESPECIALLY WOMEN!!... {unless they toe the leftie line}

Imagine if Gladys called someone on the left a name...any name......god help us!!!!the world would be on the verge of destruction!!!

If you can't post adult comments without the personal attacks then dont post at all......

just my opinion

Newts
  Transtopic Chief Train Controller

Totally agree with you on both Sex-ups.

Even to the point I think the Bankstown Metro should be dropped (unless it was to connect to Liverpool) and simply connected to the Western Metro, which is highly likely if ALP win next year (looking more likely they will)

Loop would run with a up and back from Homebush/Ashfield to Liverpool via CBD and Bankstown. But not completely segregated from rest of network due to East Hills on south side and Leppington via Gladsville. If it was just the city tunnels it would be more manageable, but  the Inner West pair of tracks would then be supporting three different services.

Problem also still exists on Bankstown line with Liverpool via Bankstown competing with Bankstown/loop trains and limited by East Hills traffic in the tunnels on how many you can actually run.

Moral of the story, the city still needs the western relief line. This PLUS the through METRO will leave plenty of capacity for Sydney CBD for decades to come. oh, get Illawarra out of ESR as well.
RTT_Rules
In spite of Labor's intention to drop the Bankstown Line Metro conversion, it will probably be too late with major contracts likely to be in place before the election, unless they're prepared to wear a substantial payout, similar to Victoria with the cancellation of the Eastern Freeway extension in Melbourne.  I've never been in favour of the Bankstown Line Metro conversion and like you, I'd prefer if the Metro Northwest connected to the Metro West along the Parramatta Rd corridor via Camperdown and Sydney University rather than the Bays Precinct.  It would then be completely segregated from the existing Sydney Trains network, avoiding all of the inherent operational compromises that would otherwise be needed.

However, that can be more easily said than done.  Work is well underway at Sydenham to connect the Bankstown Line platforms 1 & 2 to the dive to the metro line to Central.  Well credentialed posters on other forums have stressed how it would be impracticable to say truncate the CBD metro line at Central and divert it to the Metro West because of design constraints.  If a future Labor Government carries through with its intent to cancel the Bankstown Line conversion, then the only option would be to truncate the metro line at Sydenham.  That in itself throws up more questions.  For example, how would the Bankstown Line interface with the metro line, when Sydenham platforms 1 & 2 are taken over by the metro?  In my view, although I don't agree with it, I don't think an incoming Labor Government will have any option other than proceed with the conversion, in spite of their rhetoric.

The disappointing factor in all of this, regardless of who you vote for, is that Labor hasn't yet released a credible alternative transport policy 6 months out from the election.  It's all very well to run a negative campaign against the Government's transport policy, but unless they come up with a positive campaign of their own, instead relying on the Government imploding, how can you take them seriously?

On just another point, assuming the metro conversion proceeds, the existing Illawarra Local from Wolli Creek Junction to the City Circle could potentially become a single through line if the Airport Line is diverted to an alternative CBD destination.  This was one of the justifications for removing the Bankstown Line to free up capacity on the City Circle.  The Illawarra Main from Erskineville to Central is virtually redundant.
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
In spite of Labor's intention to drop the Bankstown Line Metro conversion, it will probably be too late with major contracts likely to be in place before the election, unless they're prepared to wear a substantial payout, similar to Victoria with the cancellation of the Eastern Freeway extension in Melbourne.  I've never been in favour of the Bankstown Line Metro conversion and like you, I'd prefer if the Metro Northwest connected to the Metro West along the Parramatta Rd corridor via Camperdown and Sydney University rather than the Bays Precinct.  It would then be completely segregated from the existing Sydney Trains network, avoiding all of the inherent operational compromises that would otherwise be needed.

However, that can be more easily said than done.  Work is well underway at Sydenham to connect the Bankstown Line platforms 1 & 2 to the dive to the metro line to Central.  Well credentialed posters on other forums have stressed how it would be impracticable to say truncate the CBD metro line at Central and divert it to the Metro West because of design constraints.  If a future Labor Government carries through with its intent to cancel the Bankstown Line conversion, then the only option would be to truncate the metro line at Sydenham.  That in itself throws up more questions.  For example, how would the Bankstown Line interface with the metro line, when Sydenham platforms 1 & 2 are taken over by the metro?  In my view, although I don't agree with it, I don't think an incoming Labor Government will have any option other than proceed with the conversion.
Transtopic
Ok interesting, I would have thought connecting the Metro west at Central would be straight forward if a change was announced come say April-May 2019. Send the boring machine West, not SW. But easier said than done. As for compensation, give the contractor the Metro West project instead and watch them walk away smiling.

For Bankstown Metro, it must connect with Liverpool to achieve its full potential and to compliment Sydney trains, otherwise no go!

For the Western Metro, I would have thought the Uni/Camperdown was key, then via
(doesn't mean station at each one, just general idea of route)
- Annadale
- Leichardt
- Five Dock
- Canada Bay
- Concorde
- This is where its better to not use Straithfield station, rather go via Concord West station
- etc etc closer to river direct to Parramatta

Around Annadale, I would leave a pair of stub tunnels for future NW line to Ryde via Gladsville.
  theanimal Chief Commissioner

What about the 29% swing against the Liberals in the Wagga by election, a seat they previously held for 28 years. I don't know what facts you are basing such a ridiculous opinion on. Donkey Face is on the nose.
nswtrains
included in that 29% swing against the Libs was a 3% swing against Labour, there would appear to be little good news for Foley here?
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think that Wagga Wagga is on the line to Bankstown via Strathfield.
  djf01 Chief Commissioner

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think that Wagga Wagga is on the line to Bankstown via Strathfield.
Valvegear

You are not wrong.  It's yet another example of how NSW discriminates against rural people.  /s
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think that Wagga Wagga is on the line to Bankstown via Strathfield.
Valvegear
No, but Bankstown is on the "line" to Wagga Wagga!

The DD's would need to be converted to  open tops to do the trip, but a big extension cord and I'm sure the Metro trains are up to the challenge!

Smile
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

Labor are no where near looking like they will get in next year. Even with all of the issues the libs supposedly have and there are many. People are seeing the infrastructure and remembering how bad labor was. Luke Foley and co just remind everybody how bad it was back then.
What about the 29% swing against the Liberals in the Wagga by election, a seat they previously held for 28 years. I don't know what facts you are basing such a ridiculous opinion on. Donkey Face is on the nose.
nswtrains

Not a single percentage went to Labor. It all went to the independent.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think that Wagga Wagga is on the line to Bankstown via Strathfield.

You are not wrong.  It's yet another example of how NSW discriminates against rural people.  /s
djf01

In what way have they discriminated against the bush? The city gets the big projects because 5 million people live here. Rural people don't have congestion like Sydney has. The bush is getting lots of new highways and hospitals. Is there anything else they want?
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Dear me, simstrain; don't you recognise ironical humour?
  djf01 Chief Commissioner

Dear me, simstrain; don't you recognise ironical humour?
Valvegear
Humour?  /s denotes "serious".  /s
  Transtopic Chief Train Controller

Labor are no where near looking like they will get in next year. Even with all of the issues the libs supposedly have and there are many. People are seeing the infrastructure and remembering how bad labor was. Luke Foley and co just remind everybody how bad it was back then.
simstrain
That's a brave call in the light of current events.  From my understanding, the Coalition and Labor were at level pegging in the polls on a State wide basis before the By-Election.  My gut feeling is that the best the Coalition could achieve at the next election would be a Minority Government and at worst a complete wipe-out.  In spite of all of the infrastructure investment, there are many issues which have been poorly managed. A case in point is the Council amalgamations.  That was something that was desirable and long overdue, but they stuffed it up by trying to be too smart by half in ignoring the Independent Consultation process and implementing a political fix to suit their own biased agenda.  It's little wonder that it created so much opposition, when with a bit of political nous in accepting the independent recommendations, they could have seen it through.  Parramatta City Council is but one of the poorly thought through amalgamations which eventuated.  One of the few they got right was the Northern Beaches Council.

You shouldn't assume that Labor will just carry on from where they left off when they were booted out of office.  With new leadership and a couple of terms out of office, I would think they would be a lot smarter than that, not that I'm endorsing them.
  Transtopic Chief Train Controller

For the Western Metro, I would have thought the Uni/Camperdown was key, then via
(doesn't mean station at each one, just general idea of route)
- Annadale
- Leichardt
- Five Dock
- Canada Bay
- Concorde
- This is where its better to not use Straithfield station, rather go via Concord West station
- etc etc closer to river direct to Parramatta

Around Annadale, I would leave a pair of stub tunnels for future NW line to Ryde via Gladsville.
RTT_Rules
This is basically going back to the original West Metro proposal, but whether it's viable to connect with the extended North West Metro in the light of existing contractual arrangements remains to be seen.  I would prefer that the route ran via Strathfield as originally intended, as it's a major interchange station, rather than via either Concord West or North Strathfield.  Concord West is too far north of a practicable alignment anyway.  The Bays Precinct could potentially be serviced by a Victoria Rd corridor metro, but that's another story.

With regard to having stub tunnels at Annandale, a better option would be to have them at Five Dock, continuing under Great North Rd and the Parramatta River to Gladesville.  This metro line could potentially be extended to Baulkham Hills, with intermediate stations at Abbotsford, Gladesville, Monash Park, Top Ryde, Eastwood, Epping (interchanging with Metro Northwest), Carlingford and North Rocks.  It would be an alternative alignment for a Victoria Rd Metro via the Bays Precinct and Rozelle, which should still be investigated as an option.

Getting back on topic, a major justification for the Bankstown Line conversion to metro, was to remove it from the City Circle to free up capacity for other Sydney Trains' services and that's true.  However, IMO a better option would have been to divert the Airport Line from the City Circle to a new link into the CBD. This should have been part of the original Airport Line scheme.  The Bankstown Line could have remained intact, without all of the inevitable disruption that's going to occur, and together with completion of the sextup between Sydenham and Erskineville, provided some separation from South West services before Central, where they merge into the City Circle.
  s3_gunzel Not a gunzel developer

Location: Western Sydney, AU
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think that Wagga Wagga is on the line to Bankstown via Strathfield.
No, but Bankstown is on the "line" to Wagga Wagga!
RTT_Rules
It's not. The line to WGA goes round at Sefton Park Jct from Lidcombe to Sefton. Bankstown is in the other direction.
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think that Wagga Wagga is on the line to Bankstown via Strathfield.
No, but Bankstown is on the "line" to Wagga Wagga!
It's not. The line to WGA goes round at Sefton Park Jct from Lidcombe to Sefton. Bankstown is in the other direction.
s3_gunzel
See how I put the word Line in inverted "Line". Yes its technical not on the same line, but a train from Bankstown can head to Wagga without further diversion or shunting, turning etc.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

Dear me, simstrain; don't you recognise ironical humour?
Valvegear

No. I do however recognise stupidity portraying as such.

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